Queue chaos at Airports
Discussion
https://news.sky.com/story/easyjet-and-tui-flights...
Easyjet and TUI flights cancelled and long queues at some UK airports as passengers face half-term disruption
Again.
So Cardiff Manchester Gatwick Bristol Birmingham etc utter chaos.
Not sure about anyone else but 3 to 40hour queues isn’t viable with children. Certainly not with ours meltdown for sure.
Easyjet and TUI flights cancelled and long queues at some UK airports as passengers face half-term disruption
Again.
So Cardiff Manchester Gatwick Bristol Birmingham etc utter chaos.
Not sure about anyone else but 3 to 40hour queues isn’t viable with children. Certainly not with ours meltdown for sure.
Oh FFS
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Listening to R4 this morning and it had the story of someone who was going on holiday with TUI (Manchester) 2 hour queue to get inside the building.
Then a few more hours to check in and security. Then flight delayed 4 hours (delayed as we find out no pilots).
Shops etc all closed by 6pm as no staff.
No drinks or water available at all….. not to buy etc.
people going solo couldn’t leave the queue as they then lost position in the queues.
Then went to gate no staff there then a few more hours to find all had a text and email flight and holiday cancelled no crew. Please go home. There were no TUI staff and it was the police who had to read out a TUI statement and then guide them out of the airport.
Then an expert on the industry came on and issued reasons
1. Lots of previous redundancies
2. Very hard to recruit as people giving reasons that it’s not reliable work / lockdowns travel restrictions etc.
3. It’s not as glamorous anymore
4. Pay.
5. Trying to recoup profits from lost travel years.
However warning this isn’t going away here or other countries.
Given we’ve solved the lorry driver shortage surely this then is easy to solve?
Then a few more hours to check in and security. Then flight delayed 4 hours (delayed as we find out no pilots).
Shops etc all closed by 6pm as no staff.
No drinks or water available at all….. not to buy etc.
people going solo couldn’t leave the queue as they then lost position in the queues.
Then went to gate no staff there then a few more hours to find all had a text and email flight and holiday cancelled no crew. Please go home. There were no TUI staff and it was the police who had to read out a TUI statement and then guide them out of the airport.
Then an expert on the industry came on and issued reasons
1. Lots of previous redundancies
2. Very hard to recruit as people giving reasons that it’s not reliable work / lockdowns travel restrictions etc.
3. It’s not as glamorous anymore
4. Pay.
5. Trying to recoup profits from lost travel years.
However warning this isn’t going away here or other countries.
Given we’ve solved the lorry driver shortage surely this then is easy to solve?
El stovey said:
But the central issue isn’t lack of employees in airlines (ie aircrew) it’s lack of employees at airports.
Perhaps some airlines are short staffed at the moment but not many.
Most airlines nowadays aren’t employing their own people at airports, those are usually employed by handling agents or ground handling companies or by the airport themselves. That’s where the main shortages are.
You think how many airports an airline operates into. They’re never going to have their own employees at all of those airports, even in the U.K.
Given airlines pay to use airports I wonder what recourse they will have for this chaos ? Heathrow finally seeing bigger numbers but if all that goes in comp to airlines then how will they survive?Perhaps some airlines are short staffed at the moment but not many.
Most airlines nowadays aren’t employing their own people at airports, those are usually employed by handling agents or ground handling companies or by the airport themselves. That’s where the main shortages are.
You think how many airports an airline operates into. They’re never going to have their own employees at all of those airports, even in the U.K.
PositronicRay said:
Prices will have to increase to a realistic level. I was astounded the other day, picked up a visitor from BHX, and realised that he'd only paid Ryan Air £9.99 for the flight from Knock. It cost me more in parking and petrol to collect him.
Yes those who are used to this and this for holibobs will start to readjust and not go on holidays overseas as it’s MUCH more This is being covered in granular detail on newsnight tonight
Basically there are 205,000 vacancies in this sector in the UK 1/8th of the total UK vacancies. That’s airports and air carriers.
The salaries now being paid outside of this sector is notably above UK.
It was confirmed this isn’t just a UK issue as the aviation sector opens up from covid
Dublin
Frankfurt
Amsterdam
Belgium
Etc etc we’re listed by the jurnolists.
The question was asked and stated with the main holiday for summer in mid July will be it any better - honestly no it will get much worse as they cannot find the staff in that time frame in a tight job market and train them up.
Basically there are 205,000 vacancies in this sector in the UK 1/8th of the total UK vacancies. That’s airports and air carriers.
The salaries now being paid outside of this sector is notably above UK.
It was confirmed this isn’t just a UK issue as the aviation sector opens up from covid
Dublin
Frankfurt
Amsterdam
Belgium
Etc etc we’re listed by the jurnolists.
The question was asked and stated with the main holiday for summer in mid July will be it any better - honestly no it will get much worse as they cannot find the staff in that time frame in a tight job market and train them up.
DaveGrohl said:
Just about sums this country up.
Does it? Do you always champion other countries instead of your own?
Don’t forget we the UK soent less on covid than France Germany Italy and now death rates are boardly similar.
It’s disgraceful when UK citizens do not sum up other countries / or then if they do sum up UK still elect not to leave instead moan and throw red paint on the brilliant Thatchers statue.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
I always avoid flying on bank Holidays/half term combo and first couple of weeks of school summer holidays.
Why do people do this then act shocked?
You wouldn't do a road trip through France at the start of their school holidays would you?
This break is only a week. Why do people do this then act shocked?
You wouldn't do a road trip through France at the start of their school holidays would you?
Some people might not want the heat nor the massive extra cost of August holiday so now is the time they can go.
Personally I can never go for this half term dates don’t work with work which is a shame but it is what it is.
Oct half term doesn’t work either so that means I have to go away in August or ultimately take annual leave when the kids are in school…. Which is a rubbish thing to have to do.
don'tbesilly said:
We came through T5 on Sunday night, breezed through security, and even with a slight delay through baggage reclaim we were still out of the airport within 35 mins.
The journey out (to Crete) was very similar, no problems at check in or security, the whole trip was one of the least stress free trips I've experienced.
Jet2 and TUI don’t use T5. The journey out (to Crete) was very similar, no problems at check in or security, the whole trip was one of the least stress free trips I've experienced.
BA package deals are a lot more than Jet2:TUI
don'tbesilly said:
Welshbeef said:
don'tbesilly said:
We came through T5 on Sunday night, breezed through security, and even with a slight delay through baggage reclaim we were still out of the airport within 35 mins.
The journey out (to Crete) was very similar, no problems at check in or security, the whole trip was one of the least stress free trips I've experienced.
Jet2 and TUI don’t use T5. The journey out (to Crete) was very similar, no problems at check in or security, the whole trip was one of the least stress free trips I've experienced.
BA package deals are a lot more than Jet2:TUI
The question posed was this:
PomBstard said:
Has Heathrow been generally spared the rampant delays?
Amateurish said:
The queue for security at Birmingham on Wednesday morning must have been 1 km long, snaking upstairs, then downstairs, then upstairs again. Mainly full of people arriving 4 hours early for their flights. My tactic recently had been to arrive 40 minutes before the flight then just jump the queue.
Our return on Sunday from Greece left 4 hours late after the inbound jet2 flight was stuck on the tarmac at Birmingham for 3 hours. The Manchester return was 5 hours late at least.
Got to ask - how do you queue jump? Our return on Sunday from Greece left 4 hours late after the inbound jet2 flight was stuck on the tarmac at Birmingham for 3 hours. The Manchester return was 5 hours late at least.
Amateurish said:
Correct.
This is how the queue system now works. Everyone sits in the neverending queue until their flight is about to depart. They have staff walking up and down the queue calling out the next departing flights. So the later you arrive, the less you queue.
I’ve always turned up 3hours+ early and it’s always a 7-9am flight time we select. This is how the queue system now works. Everyone sits in the neverending queue until their flight is about to depart. They have staff walking up and down the queue calling out the next departing flights. So the later you arrive, the less you queue.
Why?
Force of habit
Always want to be in the airport so zero risk of traffic delays
We like to have a browse in the shops and also a nice breakfast and Buck’s Fizz to kick off the holiday too.
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