For anyone that has mail or parcels delivered.
Discussion
Would you be happy if your mail was delivered between midday and five and your parcels were delivered between midday and 7pm?
Thats the current proposal, which would mean 2 posties coming to your address at the times specified, but if they couldn't deliver the parcels to you or your neighbour then they would go back to the nearest parcel hub for you to collect which could mean a 40 mile round trip for some or a redelivery but you'd have to stay in all day to make sure you got it.
Does that matter to anyone if they did this?
Thats the current proposal, which would mean 2 posties coming to your address at the times specified, but if they couldn't deliver the parcels to you or your neighbour then they would go back to the nearest parcel hub for you to collect which could mean a 40 mile round trip for some or a redelivery but you'd have to stay in all day to make sure you got it.
Does that matter to anyone if they did this?
Alucidnation said:
Not convinced by that.
I am sure most undelivered parcels go back to your local sorting office.
At the moment yes, but the plan is that parcels will only be done by these 200 or so parcel hubs in future. So if you have a small sorting office where your mail currently comes from they wont be getting any parcels to deliver if the plan goes ahead.I am sure most undelivered parcels go back to your local sorting office.
Cold said:
These parcels that are being returned to the hub, do they actually leave the hub in the first place or is it just the "Sorry We Missed You" cards that will do the travelling?
No the parcels will all be attempted to be delivered, but if your not in, your neighbours not in or you havent got a parcel box ( which we recommend £200 from amazon) then they will be returned to the hub either for collection by you or redelivered on a day (but not time) you choose.CWU view
https://www.cwu.org/press_release/cwu-reacts-to-ro...
Reacting to the announcements today by Royal Mail, CWU deputy general secretary Terry Pullinger said “These results are the consequence of gross mismanagement of this great public service.
Ever since the new Board appointed their choice of a new CEO and his team in 2018, this organisation has been on a downward spiral.
They inherited an organisation when industrial relations were harmonious, a new blue print agreement was in place and was being deployed at pace on how we jointly approach the challenges of the future. Poor culture in the industry was also being addressed as a priority and the share price was standing at 496p.
But in just under 2 years’ all of those very serious indexes have gone through the floor.
Workplace culture is worse than ever, industrial relations are at an all-time low and the share price now sits at 176p.
Blame the Trade Union all you like but these are the facts and they are without doubt the consequence of the mismanagement of this industry.
The business has a one trick pony vision of just growing parcels. They have stated to the union that our contribution to society in the UK is no longer about service but all about profit. It is evident that in their eyes, Royal Mail is no longer a great public service that can generate revenue by merging entrepreneurism, innovation and social aims but a privatised public service in the grip of a potential corporate raid of greed.
If the new regime at Royal Mail Group go unchallenged the real losers will be the people of this country, one of the greatest inventions of our social history and our members.
We will always defend our agreements, our members and this great public service.”
For further comment please contact pressofficer@cwu.org
https://www.cwu.org/press_release/cwu-reacts-to-ro...
Reacting to the announcements today by Royal Mail, CWU deputy general secretary Terry Pullinger said “These results are the consequence of gross mismanagement of this great public service.
Ever since the new Board appointed their choice of a new CEO and his team in 2018, this organisation has been on a downward spiral.
They inherited an organisation when industrial relations were harmonious, a new blue print agreement was in place and was being deployed at pace on how we jointly approach the challenges of the future. Poor culture in the industry was also being addressed as a priority and the share price was standing at 496p.
But in just under 2 years’ all of those very serious indexes have gone through the floor.
Workplace culture is worse than ever, industrial relations are at an all-time low and the share price now sits at 176p.
Blame the Trade Union all you like but these are the facts and they are without doubt the consequence of the mismanagement of this industry.
The business has a one trick pony vision of just growing parcels. They have stated to the union that our contribution to society in the UK is no longer about service but all about profit. It is evident that in their eyes, Royal Mail is no longer a great public service that can generate revenue by merging entrepreneurism, innovation and social aims but a privatised public service in the grip of a potential corporate raid of greed.
If the new regime at Royal Mail Group go unchallenged the real losers will be the people of this country, one of the greatest inventions of our social history and our members.
We will always defend our agreements, our members and this great public service.”
For further comment please contact pressofficer@cwu.org
Lord Marylebone said:
Receiving parcels and ‘signed for’ packages is a constant pain in the backside for most people I would assume.
I am truly surprised that parcel lockers at peoples homes haven’t become commonplace. That would solve countless wasted miles and hours by both delivery drivers/postmen and the public.
Surely a couple of lockers attached to the side of your house would solve the issue. Unlocked, and when a parcel is deposited the delivery person clicks it shut and it cannot be opened again without your key.
Do such things exist?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smart-Parcel-Box-Deliveries-Weatherproof/dp/B01MXVMTPU/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8I am truly surprised that parcel lockers at peoples homes haven’t become commonplace. That would solve countless wasted miles and hours by both delivery drivers/postmen and the public.
Surely a couple of lockers attached to the side of your house would solve the issue. Unlocked, and when a parcel is deposited the delivery person clicks it shut and it cannot be opened again without your key.
Do such things exist?
please buy one
Edited by A500leroy on Sunday 16th February 16:42
miniman said:
Lord Marylebone said:
A500leroy said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Receiving parcels and ‘signed for’ packages is a constant pain in the backside for most people I would assume.
I am truly surprised that parcel lockers at peoples homes haven’t become commonplace. That would solve countless wasted miles and hours by both delivery drivers/postmen and the public.
Surely a couple of lockers attached to the side of your house would solve the issue. Unlocked, and when a parcel is deposited the delivery person clicks it shut and it cannot be opened again without your key.
Do such things exist?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smart-Parcel-Box-Deliveries-Weatherproof/dp/B01MXVMTPU/ref=asc_df_B01MXVMTPU/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309775932390&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1487290251864624532&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006674&hvtargid=pla-347528003747&psc=1I am truly surprised that parcel lockers at peoples homes haven’t become commonplace. That would solve countless wasted miles and hours by both delivery drivers/postmen and the public.
Surely a couple of lockers attached to the side of your house would solve the issue. Unlocked, and when a parcel is deposited the delivery person clicks it shut and it cannot be opened again without your key.
Do such things exist?
please buy one
Cotty said:
kev1974 said:
I too am amazed that Royal Mail haven't got into the lockers game, it must be union threats that are holding them back.
I wonder if they get paid overtime working on Saturday so people can pick up their package if they got a "while you were our" red card. They might be weary of losing that if the packages got delivered first try.Just thinking that train stations would be a good place for lockers, especially the commuter belt around London. People could pick up their package on their way home from work.
Link to show RM want to only deliver parcels from 300 parcel hubs, if you dont live near one and postie misses you your in for a long drive to get your package.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/royal-m...
Royal Mail said it would need to accelerate turnaround efforts to be able to afford the pay rises, including further automating parcel hubs and cutting letter postal delivery walks to around 50,000 a day from 58,000 a day.
It said it also plans to increase its van deliveries, by launching around 7,000 dedicated van delivery routes from 300 delivery offices by 2023.
Posties do not want this to happen and want to carry on servicing you as best as they can now.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/royal-m...
Royal Mail said it would need to accelerate turnaround efforts to be able to afford the pay rises, including further automating parcel hubs and cutting letter postal delivery walks to around 50,000 a day from 58,000 a day.
It said it also plans to increase its van deliveries, by launching around 7,000 dedicated van delivery routes from 300 delivery offices by 2023.
Posties do not want this to happen and want to carry on servicing you as best as they can now.
https://www.cityam.com/strike-on-the-cards-for-roy...
Royal Mail’s workers are set for its first national strike in a decade as the postal service’s largest union said it could call a stoppage as early as next month.
Yesterday Royal Maul proposed a six per cent three-year pay deal to the Communications Workers Union in a bid to avoid such strike action.
However, the CWU said today that threat of strike action, which was first announced earlier this month, is not linked to the pay dispute but to wider issues around the former postal monopoly.
The union said: “The pay offer is not linked to the dispute. We are balloting on the direction of the company, them breaching national agreements, the culture of the workplace”.
The Royal Mail, which employs around 143,000 people in the UK, is under pressure to adapt to changing attitudes to the industry, with more parcels and fewer letters sent.
“The ballot is definitely still going ahead. Papers are dispatched on 3 March, (it) closes on the 17th and the earliest we could call action would be 31 March,” the CWU said.
Royal Mail said its pay offer would mean an increase of more than 16 per cent between 1 April 2018 and 31 March 2023, but said it must deliver on a turnaround plan announced last year.
The firm’s Journey 2024 turnaround plan seeks to adapt to trends and turn Royal Mail into a more internationally focused parcel delivery business.
In its offer to the CWU, Royal Mail also said it will introduce a second van delivery in most parts of the country.
Shane O’Riordain, managing director of regulation, corporate affairs and marketing said: “Our proposal underlines our commitment to being the best employer in our industry.
Royal Mail’s workers are set for its first national strike in a decade as the postal service’s largest union said it could call a stoppage as early as next month.
Yesterday Royal Maul proposed a six per cent three-year pay deal to the Communications Workers Union in a bid to avoid such strike action.
However, the CWU said today that threat of strike action, which was first announced earlier this month, is not linked to the pay dispute but to wider issues around the former postal monopoly.
The union said: “The pay offer is not linked to the dispute. We are balloting on the direction of the company, them breaching national agreements, the culture of the workplace”.
The Royal Mail, which employs around 143,000 people in the UK, is under pressure to adapt to changing attitudes to the industry, with more parcels and fewer letters sent.
“The ballot is definitely still going ahead. Papers are dispatched on 3 March, (it) closes on the 17th and the earliest we could call action would be 31 March,” the CWU said.
Royal Mail said its pay offer would mean an increase of more than 16 per cent between 1 April 2018 and 31 March 2023, but said it must deliver on a turnaround plan announced last year.
The firm’s Journey 2024 turnaround plan seeks to adapt to trends and turn Royal Mail into a more internationally focused parcel delivery business.
In its offer to the CWU, Royal Mail also said it will introduce a second van delivery in most parts of the country.
Shane O’Riordain, managing director of regulation, corporate affairs and marketing said: “Our proposal underlines our commitment to being the best employer in our industry.
https://twitter.com/royalmailnews?ref_src=twsrc%5E...
Shane O’Riordain, Managing Director of Regulation, Corporate Affairs and Marketing, Royal Mail said:
Royal Mail has today put forward a proposal to CWU. It includes a six per cent three-year pay deal for our CWU-grade people. This means an increase, including the first hour of the shorter working week, of more than 16 per cent between 1 April 2018 and 31 March 2023.
We have said that we can only afford to do this if we deliver on the Plan we announced to our stakeholders in May 2019. To do this, we need to change more quickly than before.
Our proposal underlines our commitment to being the best employer in our industry. It maintains our policy of no compulsory redundancies for frontline operational colleagues. We will not become a gig economy employer. We will not introduce zero hours contracts for permanent employees. Nor would we look to outsource Royal Mail’s core operations.
We want to invest £1.8 billion in the UK. We need to turnaround and grow our UK business. This means the further automation of parcels, including the deployment of three new automated parcel hubs. Most of our parcels are currently hand sorted, just as they were in the Victorian period.
We will introduce a second van delivery in most parts of the country. This is about capitalising on the growth of “night owl” shopping. We will do this by introducing around 7,000 dedicated van delivery routes from c300 delivery offices by 2023. Delivery of letters and small parcels will remain unchanged through our existing Delivery Office network
UK letter volumes are expected to decline by 75 per cent in the 2004 – 2024 period. So, over the next four years, we plan to carefully reduce the number of daily walks from c58,000 to c50,000. Alongside this, we want to invest in the upgrading of the infrastructure that delivers the Universal Service. This means £115 million invested in upgrading our facilities, and £400 million in new vehicles to improve the fleet.
Shane O’Riordain, Managing Director of Regulation, Corporate Affairs and Marketing, Royal Mail said:
Royal Mail has today put forward a proposal to CWU. It includes a six per cent three-year pay deal for our CWU-grade people. This means an increase, including the first hour of the shorter working week, of more than 16 per cent between 1 April 2018 and 31 March 2023.
We have said that we can only afford to do this if we deliver on the Plan we announced to our stakeholders in May 2019. To do this, we need to change more quickly than before.
Our proposal underlines our commitment to being the best employer in our industry. It maintains our policy of no compulsory redundancies for frontline operational colleagues. We will not become a gig economy employer. We will not introduce zero hours contracts for permanent employees. Nor would we look to outsource Royal Mail’s core operations.
We want to invest £1.8 billion in the UK. We need to turnaround and grow our UK business. This means the further automation of parcels, including the deployment of three new automated parcel hubs. Most of our parcels are currently hand sorted, just as they were in the Victorian period.
We will introduce a second van delivery in most parts of the country. This is about capitalising on the growth of “night owl” shopping. We will do this by introducing around 7,000 dedicated van delivery routes from c300 delivery offices by 2023. Delivery of letters and small parcels will remain unchanged through our existing Delivery Office network
UK letter volumes are expected to decline by 75 per cent in the 2004 – 2024 period. So, over the next four years, we plan to carefully reduce the number of daily walks from c58,000 to c50,000. Alongside this, we want to invest in the upgrading of the infrastructure that delivers the Universal Service. This means £115 million invested in upgrading our facilities, and £400 million in new vehicles to improve the fleet.
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