Racism Hypocrisy
Discussion
If the 'n' word is unacceptable, it should be unacceptable irrespective of who uses it. Fair?
Example: rap artists; black stand-up comedians. The word is accepted. Somehow I don't think context changes anything; if you are not black, be careful where and how you use the word.
Also, if a person from Pakistan calls someone from Pakistan a shortened version of Pakistani, is that racist in the same way that someone not from Pakistan saying it?
Example: rap artists; black stand-up comedians. The word is accepted. Somehow I don't think context changes anything; if you are not black, be careful where and how you use the word.
Also, if a person from Pakistan calls someone from Pakistan a shortened version of Pakistani, is that racist in the same way that someone not from Pakistan saying it?
LF5335 said:
It’s exactly the sort of question a 10 year old would ask. Adults should be more aware of the world as they gain experience. The fact you’ve chosen this topic to discuss shows what sort of experience you’ve gained.
Perhaps the burden lies with you. I'm mixed race/heritage; half caste, whatever the buzz phrase is these days (I don't care).
One of my grandfathers was Scottish (descendant of the Clan Kerr) and the other was from North India; I have a Bajan stepfather and an Indian stepmother (parents parted ways when I was young).
I have a Polish girlfriend.
My friends and associates are African, Brazilian, Greek, Italian, Jamaican, Turkish, Indian, Polish, Portuguese, Scottish, Welsh... you name it.
You say experience?
Okay.
plenty said:
Glassman said:
durbster said:
What did your friends say when you asked them this question?
A positive response, and all in agreement because it's a matter of double standards. Not how a bunch of PHers here are reading it. PH: "Sorry mate, looks like you could be, but here's how not to be."
OP: "My mates tell me I'm not, so PH you are wrong. Wrong!"
StevieBee said:
An analogy (a weak one, granted, but).....
Assuming you are White, Anglo Saxon, British, a curiosity of this group is the greeting of peers by means of abuse. If I'm walking through town and someone I know might greet me with something along the lines of "Hey, Stevie, you fat
!, How you doing?". Because they are part of my peer group, this is peculiarly acceptable. Funny, almost. But if someone outside of my peer group greeted me in the same way, my reaction would be entirely different because the context is different...... and I'm not (that) fat!
FTR, I'm not white. My mum is, as were all of her family (one side Scottish, the other from Oxfordshire). My (late) father was from India. He was racist towards his own people but on closer analysis, I think he was intolerant of certain cultures in India which are governed by caste, religion and social standing. If he called a brown person an xyz - in other words, something a white person wouldn't get away with - would he be deemed a racist? This was the basis of starting the thread. Assuming you are White, Anglo Saxon, British, a curiosity of this group is the greeting of peers by means of abuse. If I'm walking through town and someone I know might greet me with something along the lines of "Hey, Stevie, you fat
!, How you doing?". Because they are part of my peer group, this is peculiarly acceptable. Funny, almost. But if someone outside of my peer group greeted me in the same way, my reaction would be entirely different because the context is different...... and I'm not (that) fat!A few year back on holiday in Cuba, I got talking to a chap from Canada.At the bar we were having a bit of a laugh and he seemed to think I was cockney, and I picked up on his almost unique accent and detected a slight Glaswegian twang to it on certain words. I told him my grandad was a sweaty and he took exception to the term. Not so much the rhyming slang, but the reference to 'jock'. He reckoned that if my grandad was alive he would have given me a clip around the ear hole for using the term. Everyone in the village of Marcham (and the MG plant where he worked) knew him as Jock. This guy got put right off and found it difficult to recover.
plenty said:
Glassman said:
plenty said:
Glassman said:
durbster said:
What did your friends say when you asked them this question?
A positive response, and all in agreement because it's a matter of double standards. Not how a bunch of PHers here are reading it. PH: "Sorry mate, looks like you could be, but here's how not to be."
OP: "My mates tell me I'm not, so PH you are wrong. Wrong!"
geeks said:
No, the burden is with you, as someone else who is of mixed race descent (Clan Fraser, ex slave who took his owners surname when the English made slavery illegal, German Jew that escaped Germany the list in my bloodline goes on) I can't remember the last time I rolled my eyes this hard.
In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
You're missing the point. I'm suggesting that if certain words (I started with the n word) are offensive, they should be for anyone to use. In any case, what benefit would being able to use the word bring you? Is it really that much of a hardship to not use it?
In Indian sub cultures, many can hate one another to the point of calling each other very offensive (to anyone else) names. A lot of people from Jamaica I've met, aren't particularly keen on Africans. This is the question.
I grew up through the seventies where if you weren't white, you were a coon,
or wop. Nobody could work out which one I was because I look Greek or Italian. I never had an issue with being called anything by anyone. It's their issue, not mine. Bob_Defly said:
So you met a friendly guy at a bar and insulted him, and wondered why he found you offensive..?
It was on the basis that Jock is commonly used as a nickname. Given my grandad was known as Jock and I'm part Scottish, it's also the basis of this thread. If people weren't so selective in their outrage, education has to be the way forward for more harmony in the world.
Raccaccoonie said:
My brother did one of those DNA tests. It said he was 10% Jewish.I said how can a religion be genetically defined??? Still doesn't get it.
Used to puzzle me too when someone said they were 'half' Italian for example and half Jewish, until someone explained that 'Jewish' is recognised that way. Still don't fully get it because a bloke a few doors down from us when we used to live in Finchley was Jewish Indian (from India). Can't remember what the history was but he considered himself Indian heritage. Slightly amusing side to it was he called himself a Hinjew (used as in Hindustan referring to the modern-day Republic of India). yellowbentines said:
As a Glaswegian if someone used the term 'sweaty' for us Scots I wouldnt get offended, or think they were racist, I'd just think they were a bit of a dick. There's a distinct difference.
Wasn't said in a way to wind up or offend, and given we were already talking about Cockney Rhyming Slang I didn't think any more of it TBH when it came out in the context of that conversation. Incidentally, he made his point about it being derogatory (and stuck to it) even thought I did try and argue that it wasn't and certainly wasn't mean that way. When we played rugby against London Scottish years ago, it wasn't an issue to be playing the sweaty socks, a term most people seem to be okay with. In the same way, around where I live now the Cypriots don't have an issue being called or referring to themselves as bubbles.
LF5335 said:
Can you explain the bubbles thing? I’m not a Londoner so don’t have a clue about Cockney rhyming slang.
The point made by yellowbentines is interesting. He wouldn’t say you were a racist for saying what you did, but he would think of you as something else. If he then called you that, would you take offence? Bear in mind it was your comment that made him think of you as that in the first place. Also, just because he wouldn’t see it as racist, that doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.
Would you be happy if your glassfitters went around saying “Yo, my n-word” as a form of greeting to customers?
First of all, I have no desire to use the n word. As much as I think it's funny when watching (black American) stand-up comedians using it, or in films etc but it's not part of my vernacular and I don't want it to be. The point made by yellowbentines is interesting. He wouldn’t say you were a racist for saying what you did, but he would think of you as something else. If he then called you that, would you take offence? Bear in mind it was your comment that made him think of you as that in the first place. Also, just because he wouldn’t see it as racist, that doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.
Would you be happy if your glassfitters went around saying “Yo, my n-word” as a form of greeting to customers?
Bubble and Squeak = Greek.
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