Army Helicopter's UFO Scare Still A Mystery, 40 Years Later
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Fascinating stuff in my opinion. Sceptics please feel free to debunk/explain. I don't think anybody is writing a book on the back of this by the way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/ufo-nearc...
Forty years ago today, a four-man crew of an Army Reserve helicopter was flying over Mansfield, Ohio, around 11:00 p.m. when they "encountered a near midair collision with an unidentified flying object," according to the official report, signed and submitted by the crew after the incident.
A full explanation for this terrifying UFO close encounter has never been offered, and to this day, the helicopter-UFO incident remains one of the most credible -- and terrifying -- in the history of the subject.
The commander of the helicopter, Maj. Larry Coyne, and his crew, thought at first that the light on the horizon was a radio tower beacon.
"We were flying along at about 2,500 feet when the crew chief on the helicopter observed a red light on the east horizon. He then informed me that the light was closing on the helicopter -- that it was coming at us on a collision course," Coyne told this reporter in 1975.
"I looked to the right and observed that the object became bigger and the light became brighter, and I began to descend the helicopter toward the ground, to get out of the collision course path. We were descending and this object was like a missile locked onto the helicopter, only it came at us on a perpendicular angle, to hit us almost broadside.
"It looked like we were going to collide with it and we braced for impact, and then I heard the crewmen in the back say, 'Look up!' and I observed this craft stopped directly in front of us -- stopped -- it was hovering, right over the helicopter!" READ MORE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/ufo-nearc...
Forty years ago today, a four-man crew of an Army Reserve helicopter was flying over Mansfield, Ohio, around 11:00 p.m. when they "encountered a near midair collision with an unidentified flying object," according to the official report, signed and submitted by the crew after the incident.
A full explanation for this terrifying UFO close encounter has never been offered, and to this day, the helicopter-UFO incident remains one of the most credible -- and terrifying -- in the history of the subject.
The commander of the helicopter, Maj. Larry Coyne, and his crew, thought at first that the light on the horizon was a radio tower beacon.
"We were flying along at about 2,500 feet when the crew chief on the helicopter observed a red light on the east horizon. He then informed me that the light was closing on the helicopter -- that it was coming at us on a collision course," Coyne told this reporter in 1975.
"I looked to the right and observed that the object became bigger and the light became brighter, and I began to descend the helicopter toward the ground, to get out of the collision course path. We were descending and this object was like a missile locked onto the helicopter, only it came at us on a perpendicular angle, to hit us almost broadside.
"It looked like we were going to collide with it and we braced for impact, and then I heard the crewmen in the back say, 'Look up!' and I observed this craft stopped directly in front of us -- stopped -- it was hovering, right over the helicopter!" READ MORE
Max_Torque said:
Wait a minute? Hovering you say? Like, erm, a Helicopter?
Those dratted aleeons are getting cleverererr all the time!
"This craft, from the angle that we saw it, was cigar-shaped. It had no wings, no vertical or horizontal stabilizer, was approximately 60 feet long, 15-20 feet in height."Those dratted aleeons are getting cleverererr all the time!
"As far as the vehicle itself, there's no doubt in our minds what it looked like. A craft that can move at terrific speeds in excess of 1,000 knots, and then stop on a dime..."
That's a very interesting helicopter!
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What gets me about these discussions is that because of the deeply ingrained association between UFOs and alien visitation then intelligent people feel disinclined to accept that the witnesses actually witnessed a physical craft. The stranger the appearance and the more impossible the flight characteristics of this supposed craft then the stronger the denial that sane and very switched on people actually saw anything of consequence.
For example, if Pistonheads' own EricMc could distance himself from the ET connection then he should be absolutely fascinated by the silent flying triangles that have been witnessed by thousands all over the World for decades. There is mountains of evidence that these exist but of course few investigate them because of the stigma of being involved in something that many believe to be ET-related.
The only Earthly explanation for silent flying triangles is that a government has developed the mother of all stealth aircraft. In fact it's so stealthy that they want to keep it that way hence no bedroom posters for the kids and they silently hover happily over UK backyards and countryside secure in the knowledge that anybody seeing them and crying UFO will be disregarded as mistaken or another nutter. <mischief mode> They also possibly want to to keep their existence a secret because the technology they use wasn't first developed in this solar system
</mischief mode>
Come on Eric, Google Silent Flying Triangle 2013 and tell us what you think is going on here! It's right up your street
For example, if Pistonheads' own EricMc could distance himself from the ET connection then he should be absolutely fascinated by the silent flying triangles that have been witnessed by thousands all over the World for decades. There is mountains of evidence that these exist but of course few investigate them because of the stigma of being involved in something that many believe to be ET-related.
The only Earthly explanation for silent flying triangles is that a government has developed the mother of all stealth aircraft. In fact it's so stealthy that they want to keep it that way hence no bedroom posters for the kids and they silently hover happily over UK backyards and countryside secure in the knowledge that anybody seeing them and crying UFO will be disregarded as mistaken or another nutter. <mischief mode> They also possibly want to to keep their existence a secret because the technology they use wasn't first developed in this solar system
</mischief mode>Come on Eric, Google Silent Flying Triangle 2013 and tell us what you think is going on here! It's right up your street
Eric Mc said:
Well, put me in the picture then. That's what these forums are about - discussing.
Dates.
Times.
Locations.
Witnesses.
Tell me what you have read.
If they are genuine aircraft, why aren't they discussed in mainstream publications - such as Flight International or Aviation News?
Although I really hate the fact that this non-science ends up in the Science Forum.
DYOR Eric - it's all out there if you can be bothered to spend 20 minutes on the subject that you know nothing about but on which you already have a firm opinion.Dates.
Times.
Locations.
Witnesses.
Tell me what you have read.
If they are genuine aircraft, why aren't they discussed in mainstream publications - such as Flight International or Aviation News?
Although I really hate the fact that this non-science ends up in the Science Forum.
Eric Mc said:
I don't see why any of this "newer" nonsense is any more verifiable than all the old nonsense that has gone before. If you want to convince me that it is genuine, I will place the onus on you to show me the evidence. As I said, those making the claims should be the ones providing the proof.
Take a look at this Eric. It's from 2004 but published on a website that would be of interest to you and perhaps have some credibility. It's not long so hopefully you will read it all along with the comments of the website visitors at the bottom. Try to not think of ET but whether these widely reported craft exist or not and if so what they might be.http://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-tria...
tuscaneer said:
What an absolute load of b
ks all this ufo ste really is . juvenile escapism for nutjob conspiracy theorists at best . unless anybody has got some evidence to the contrary? ??..... thought not
So how exactly did you develop your opinion on "this ufo sks all this ufo ste really is . juvenile escapism for nutjob conspiracy theorists at best . unless anybody has got some evidence to the contrary? ??..... thought notte"? By watching Independence Day?Well done Hilts, you'll get a pasting but I'd go along with all of that. They should really read this and then they'd come back a great deal better informed.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/UFOs-Government-A-Historic...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/UFOs-Government-A-Historic...
Hilts said:
Yes I know, it's a tough crowd here. 
Yes people with an immovable belief system can be pretty tough as we know. Anthropocentric Tuscaneer up above believes that out of the billions of exoplanets in our galaxy there is no life more advanced than us in existence at the present time (whatever "the present" means), he believes that no technology exists to get them or their probes here and he believes that they wouldn't be able to find us anyway - despite our own recent embryonic developments in identifying the existence of exoplanets.It's very difficult to have a discussion with people having such extreme beliefs
jmorgan said:
It is not I being immovable (I know your retort was for another). What you have presented here has alternative explanations and with more credible evidence but you refuse it. Present the evidence that can be proven and I wil accept it if proven. That is the problem, no one presents the evidence and so far the existing bunkum, they never will.
Evidence of what though? My main argument on here is about the existence of craft flying around our skies with performance and stealth characteristics outside of the understanding of the general public. There is mountains of evidence showing this to be the case though I know of old that you will never accept the testimony of the thousands of military personnel in particular who have put their careers and reputation on the line by talking about their experience. How much evidence amounts to proof in your mind that a real advanced craft of some sort was in fact present in a minority of cases?
What these craft are should really be a separate discussion but unfortunately whenever the term UFO is used, rather than the more recent UAP, then we immediately all think we're talking about aliens.
And given that I am of the opinion that very advanced craft are flying around using technology that "Joe Public" is unfamiliar with then this topic belongs firmly in the Science! section.
tuscaneer said:
not anthropocentric at all darling.i just tend to deal in no nonsense facts. we are here, now. by "present time" what I mean is that it is almost certain that given the number of stars that have been born and died aeons before our own sun burst into life it is quite probable intelligent life could have developed and been wiped out before we ever existed.the same will likely happen after our sun dies. the absolute blink of an eye that we are actually here is a tiny fraction of time itself.
billions of planets orbiting billions of stars in the milky way.......I agree with you.but think for just a minute about the likelihood of equal or greater(in terms of intelligence) beings than ourselves. even if there are dozens/hundreds of civilizations more advanced than us they still have to find us/ get to us. if you are a little green man and you somehow catch site of us and decide to come and visit just think about the logistics for a second.
hypothetical scenario. intelligent life happens to be...ooohh......1000 light years away????.that's pretty close.it's within a 1% catchment area of our corner of the milky way in terms of distance from us compared to the size of the milky way.how long have we walked the earth?? couple of hundred thousand years.we have been capable of getting a probe to the edge of our own solar system in that time.by the time voyager gets to another star it will have travelled for about 30,000 years.if we (hypothetically )could turn it around and somehow bring it back that would mean a return trip in the region of 60,000 years.and that is to have covered about 8-10 light years.to come from 100,000 light years away the return trip(with similar speeds achieved) would take 1.2 million years.
i'm quite sure that technologies greater than ours exist but even travelling at the speed of light(impossible) you are looking at journeys of thousands of years for these "super beings".now factor in how long intelligent life will be in existence on any particular planet relative to the lifespan of said planet and try and tell me that little green men regularly visit earth to lurk over desolate highways in the middle of nowhere without laughing.
the only reasonable explanation for life spreading through the galaxy as opposed to springing up due to a random sparking of chemical compounds(though life has to have sprung up somewhere for the first time right??) is panspermia.and deep down you know i'm right.the difference between you guys(aliens and conspiracy theorist types) and me is that i'm no fantasist.i'm a realist. and there are a lot more people that think like I do than you do!!
it's very difficult to have a discussion with people with such extreme beliefs.
Sorry matey, when you use condescending words like darling and sweetheart I don't even bother to read the rest.billions of planets orbiting billions of stars in the milky way.......I agree with you.but think for just a minute about the likelihood of equal or greater(in terms of intelligence) beings than ourselves. even if there are dozens/hundreds of civilizations more advanced than us they still have to find us/ get to us. if you are a little green man and you somehow catch site of us and decide to come and visit just think about the logistics for a second.
hypothetical scenario. intelligent life happens to be...ooohh......1000 light years away????.that's pretty close.it's within a 1% catchment area of our corner of the milky way in terms of distance from us compared to the size of the milky way.how long have we walked the earth?? couple of hundred thousand years.we have been capable of getting a probe to the edge of our own solar system in that time.by the time voyager gets to another star it will have travelled for about 30,000 years.if we (hypothetically )could turn it around and somehow bring it back that would mean a return trip in the region of 60,000 years.and that is to have covered about 8-10 light years.to come from 100,000 light years away the return trip(with similar speeds achieved) would take 1.2 million years.
i'm quite sure that technologies greater than ours exist but even travelling at the speed of light(impossible) you are looking at journeys of thousands of years for these "super beings".now factor in how long intelligent life will be in existence on any particular planet relative to the lifespan of said planet and try and tell me that little green men regularly visit earth to lurk over desolate highways in the middle of nowhere without laughing.
the only reasonable explanation for life spreading through the galaxy as opposed to springing up due to a random sparking of chemical compounds(though life has to have sprung up somewhere for the first time right??) is panspermia.and deep down you know i'm right.the difference between you guys(aliens and conspiracy theorist types) and me is that i'm no fantasist.i'm a realist. and there are a lot more people that think like I do than you do!!
it's very difficult to have a discussion with people with such extreme beliefs.
Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 31st October 08:23
From the New York Times yesterday.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy
Incredible scope for so many civilisations out there with technology and travel capability far in excess of our comprehension.
Edited by RegMolehusband on Tuesday 5th November 18:32
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