Ford Focus 2013 diesel purchase was a mistake
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Hi there, can anyone help me with a ford circus 2013 tdci that a purchased two months ago timing belt failed as it stripped 40 teeth and then I find starter was burnt out as it started smoking after a couple of turns, so replaced the starter motor and it’s the same issue starter is turning very slowly and not starting the car... have had the car tow started and still nothing!... anyone have this issue or can point me in the right direction please?.
Thank you
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aaron_2000 said:
micky1786 said:
Hi there, can anyone help me with a ford circus 2013 tdci that a purchased two months ago timing belt failed as it stripped 40 teeth and then I find starter was burnt out as it started smoking after a couple of turns, so replaced the starter motor and it’s the same issue starter is turning very slowly and not starting the car... have had the car tow started and still nothing!... anyone have this issue or can point me in the right direction please?.
Thank you
Did you buy it from a dealer? If you did, was it a proper dealer or was it a dodgy back street lot? If it was a proper dealer then I'd attempt to get some recourse, have you had it checked over? Thank you
GreenV8S said:
Has the person who replaced the timing belt successfully done that previously on the same/similar engine?
timing was done by me and a colleague. We’ve never done one on this particular car or model before... it’s turns over from crank by hand but when trying to turn with key it’s really slow so replaced battery too thinking it was that but still turns super slow as if battery about to die!... Richard-D said:
What work was carried out after the "stripped belt" ?
Was there a leakdown test, did the head come off for any rebuild work etc. etc. ?
I replaced the 8 valves head gasket starter motor battery and still having the same issue... no leak down test was done as I don’t think it’s injector related as the issue with engine turning over slow with key that’s puzzled me. Was there a leakdown test, did the head come off for any rebuild work etc. etc. ?
GreenV8S said:
micky1786 said:
it’s turns over from crank by hand but when trying to turn with key it’s really slow
Either the starter motor is weak or the engine is tight. Are you familiar with the torque needed to turn this type of engine over, and did this engine seem normal when you pulled it over by hand?
Penelope Stopit said:
Have you used a torque wrench to see how much it takes to turn it
This image is of a good low kilometers Peugeot 1.9D, It may be of help in giving you some idea what your engine is like
If the battery, starter and cables are good, the engine should crank over and if not something is tight or damaged
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him
Ive not checked that but it’s pretty easy to turn and not overly hard like some engines. This image is of a good low kilometers Peugeot 1.9D, It may be of help in giving you some idea what your engine is like
If the battery, starter and cables are good, the engine should crank over and if not something is tight or damaged
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him
Mignon said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him
Poster Mignon has no idea how much torque that diesel engine would take to turn by hand with the injectors in and the engine working against compression. A fooking lot I would imagine. With twice the CR of a petrol engine I'd not be surprised at 70 or 80 ft lbs. However there are clearly two different problems. The engine won't start even when the car is towed and it also turns slowly on the starter motor.It would seem sensible to check the voltage the starter motor is getting and how it drops when cranking. But if the engine won't start anyway then that's separate. A fair guess would be that the cam timing got messed up but it could be fuel too of course. Might just need the system bleeding after the rebuild.
Little Pete said:
A couple of things I've come across on these engines. The chain between the two cams wears- to the point of wearing a groove in the cam cover- and the cam timing goes out by a couple of teeth.
The crank position sensor gets a trigger from a ring on the back of the crank pulley. It is quite easy to damage the ring when taking the pulley off and loose the CPS signal.
You are going to need a decent scan tool to check some live data before you go any further.
Hi, This has a single cam shaft. Hmm cps never thought of that one. I’ve had someone over but they didn’t put the scanner on it for some reason as he kept saying timings out!!! Had someone else out today and he did the old school timing no1 and no4 valves open and it’s popped and but then did exactly the same this slowed down cranking!. The crank position sensor gets a trigger from a ring on the back of the crank pulley. It is quite easy to damage the ring when taking the pulley off and loose the CPS signal.
You are going to need a decent scan tool to check some live data before you go any further.
StevenB said:
presuming the valve timing is correct, have you done a compression test ?
Do you get any smoke from the exhaust when trying to start it ?
Hi, the two guys who came out both say compression is good although I think I’d better take my compression tester down and gown that a go with injectors out but again car isn’t even cranking over properly. Slow crank and then dies out. Actually don’t have a diesel compression tester as my ones a sealey petrol engine tester Do you get any smoke from the exhaust when trying to start it ?
Edited by micky1786 on Friday 11th January 22:25
Edited by micky1786 on Saturday 12th January 00:08
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