Lewis Hamilton
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http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10606874/me...
Is this fair enough or a total lack of respect?
Thoughts gentleman
Is this fair enough or a total lack of respect?
Thoughts gentleman
Alonso and Hamilton talking about the new era of F1 cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yoldSte64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yoldSte64
Alonso and Hamilton talking about the new era of F1 cars.
Lewis being serious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yoldSte64
Lewis being serious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5yoldSte64
Some of you are really overreacting to this, which is ironic since the media quite often do exactly the same whenever LH does something. I can only think that people just love to hate him. I don't see how anyone cares so much about the press conferences - they really must be the most dull part of any sport.
Crafty_ said:
r11co said:
I think you are crediting him with too much intelligence. I said he seems to lack self-awareness, and his latest 'media don't respect me' nonsense beautifully affirms that. The media only react to what he says and how he behaves and, like it or not, that is the environment he has to work in and has to learn to work to the best effect. Blaming the media is like blaming the mirror because your reflection looks like s
t.
He's being doing this long enough and there are enough people around him doing it properly for him to 'get' it without having to be a corporate robot.
He just comes across to me as not the brightest bulb in the pack. Nothing to do with being 'cool' or attracting a younger audience, unless you associate 'younger' with being a bit thick.
Go read Buxton's article on him from 2014. Hamilton is much smarter than you think.t.He's being doing this long enough and there are enough people around him doing it properly for him to 'get' it without having to be a corporate robot.
He just comes across to me as not the brightest bulb in the pack. Nothing to do with being 'cool' or attracting a younger audience, unless you associate 'younger' with being a bit thick.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 8th October 17:27
Haven't you got a more credible source?
In any case, I'm not sure it makes much difference to anything. Can't say I've heard him say much of any interest about anything worth expounding on.
I reckon he'll get fed up of not opening his mouth before the world does.
Crafty_ said:
majordad said:
No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?
Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??
Simple, he hasn't had the same car. Engine failures, MGU-H failures, hydraulic failures, incorrect settings programmed, you name it, he's had it. Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?
Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??
Rosberg has had nothing.
This is no different to 2014, where is suffered worse reliability than Rosberg, the only difference is that the gap has just been too big to cross this year.
He is one of the greats, he is a better driver/racer than Rosberg, but he needs a car thats in one piece to collect points, which hasn't happened.
Trabi601 said:
That's F1 for you - I'm sure if you look across a number of seasons, both drivers have had largely equal issues.
Incorrect.2014:
Nico DNF'd at Silverstone and Singapore (Gearbox and Electrics) and of course he had a running issue in Abu Dhabi and Canada, but Canada didn't hurt too badly as he still came 2nd.
Lewis DNF'd in Australia (engine), Canada (brakes/engine) and Spa (non fault damage). But on top of that he had an engine fire in Hungary, causing him to start from the back. In Germany he had a brake disc explode during Q1, causing him to start 20th.
2015:
Rosberg suffered an engine failure at Monza, Hamilton had the same in Singapore. Nico then had a throttle issue in Russia.
2016:
The story tells itself, multiple MGU-H failures, penalty in Spa because he'd used all engines, Lost track time in Singapore, Repeated clutch issues, total engine failure in Malaysia. Rosberg has had similar clutch issues at times and had a single gearbox change, due to him running over kerbs.
They had not even nearly had the same reliability.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 9th October 06:28
This is really getting to you isn't it?
Hamilton's weekend went wrong after his phone conference.
He must have know the press would attack him after doing this so you really have to wonder why he would put this pressure on himself with daft actions.
I am sure many would expect Max Verstappen to be the driver doing these things when he is only 17 years of age instead of a 31 year old three time World Champion.
Unfortunately you will never win if you get certain aspects of the press against you. It was clear when Lewis walked out of the press conference on Saturday that it was in his head.
He then messed up on the grid which in turn cost him a race win.
Lewis was lucky Ferrari strategy team were still in bed as getting past Vettel in the pitstops gave him a huge advantage and the chance of 2nd place.
It was a very interesting weekend but things are far from over yet.
Might be best for Lewis to keep a low profile until the next GP in two weeks time. Let the press calm down
He must have know the press would attack him after doing this so you really have to wonder why he would put this pressure on himself with daft actions.
I am sure many would expect Max Verstappen to be the driver doing these things when he is only 17 years of age instead of a 31 year old three time World Champion.
Unfortunately you will never win if you get certain aspects of the press against you. It was clear when Lewis walked out of the press conference on Saturday that it was in his head.
He then messed up on the grid which in turn cost him a race win.
Lewis was lucky Ferrari strategy team were still in bed as getting past Vettel in the pitstops gave him a huge advantage and the chance of 2nd place.
It was a very interesting weekend but things are far from over yet.
Might be best for Lewis to keep a low profile until the next GP in two weeks time. Let the press calm down
InductionRoar said:
I personally don't like Hamilton's persona but the grid would be a lot duller without him (on track).
Who wouldn't want to see MV, FA, SV, DR and LH in equal machinery battling it out?
Not sure many people would bet on LH emerging victorious or even enjoying the almost predictable front row start or podium finishes he has enjoyed the last few seasons if those other drivers were also in a Merc though I would expect him to do very well and maybe he would still win.
Personally, (from the confines of my armchair), I think FA (though I also think he is on the decline and peaked in 2012), DR and MV are better racers and would show him how "wheel to wheel racing" is done given equal machinery/strategy etc. Clearly this is never going to happen as there will always be somebody to point out the field is not exactly equal "damp side of the grid, older tyres, strategy, reliability" for example but hypothetically and from a spectacle POV this would be at the very least interesting and I think quite illuminating.
LH is undoubtedly one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) drivers in the sport but we are enjoying a particularly competitive period (driver-wise) IMO and it is only Merc's advantage that spoils the sport. Look how close Suzuka's qualifying was if you want to see how closely matched the top-tier drivers are.
NR has managed to out-qualify LH this year on equal terms (as LH has out-qualified NR) so to dismiss him as "unworthy" is petulant and as disingenuous as it is disrespectful to the person he is beating - LH.
I don't like the way LH dresses or conducts himself but I doubt he would be that impressed at me either.
Who wouldn't want to see MV, FA, SV, DR and LH in equal machinery battling it out?
Not sure many people would bet on LH emerging victorious or even enjoying the almost predictable front row start or podium finishes he has enjoyed the last few seasons if those other drivers were also in a Merc though I would expect him to do very well and maybe he would still win.
Personally, (from the confines of my armchair), I think FA (though I also think he is on the decline and peaked in 2012), DR and MV are better racers and would show him how "wheel to wheel racing" is done given equal machinery/strategy etc. Clearly this is never going to happen as there will always be somebody to point out the field is not exactly equal "damp side of the grid, older tyres, strategy, reliability" for example but hypothetically and from a spectacle POV this would be at the very least interesting and I think quite illuminating.
LH is undoubtedly one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) drivers in the sport but we are enjoying a particularly competitive period (driver-wise) IMO and it is only Merc's advantage that spoils the sport. Look how close Suzuka's qualifying was if you want to see how closely matched the top-tier drivers are.
NR has managed to out-qualify LH this year on equal terms (as LH has out-qualified NR) so to dismiss him as "unworthy" is petulant and as disingenuous as it is disrespectful to the person he is beating - LH.
I don't like the way LH dresses or conducts himself but I doubt he would be that impressed at me either.
I don't think there's much real evidence to support the assertion that Hamilton's possibly the best out there. It's all masked by the car being so much better than the rest. He only has one real opponent and, even allowing for reliability, he hasn't looked significantly better.
He didn't look that good in Suzuka IMO. He only properly overtook 1 other car in his recovery and was outdriven by a 19yo over many laps. Despite having the best car on the circuit.
He's good, he's been very good, but the greatest?
tommunster10 said:
What would of helped is if like many of the 'greats' he started out in a poor back of the grid car and showed signs of genius, rather than start off in the best car on the grid.
His hero Senna started in the Toleman
Schumacher - Jordan
Seb - Torro Rosso
Alonso - Minardi
He's had it pretty easy really, looked after since 12 and as a human project of Ron's he gave him the best and he was his golden child. Personally I think Alonso knew this whilst Lewis's team mate.
Senna did most of his early learning at Lotus, a front runner still at that time.His hero Senna started in the Toleman
Schumacher - Jordan
Seb - Torro Rosso
Alonso - Minardi
He's had it pretty easy really, looked after since 12 and as a human project of Ron's he gave him the best and he was his golden child. Personally I think Alonso knew this whilst Lewis's team mate.
Schumacher did 1 race with Jordan, I say race, he burned the clutch out at the start. He did his formative years at Benetton, which was a top notch team.
Seb's TR was a newey design, it was a bloody good car.
Alonso did one season for Minardi, then spent the next year as test driver for the works Renault team, before gaining the full time drive. He had plenty of seat time in a good car before hitting the big time.
Lewis came in straight from GP2 and lit the F1 races up, its easy to forget just how impressive he was in that first season, of course the car was good, but he was exceptional in how he worked up the field in an era that made overtaking very difficult. Lewis was up against 2 other drivers for the 2nd seat in the McLaren, it was very possible he wouldn't get the drive for 2007.
LDN said:
I'm deluded why again? You'll have to break that down. I think you were trying to suggest Lewis had some weird advantage from early on. I clearly outlined why that's not the case and I think you've resorted to repeating yourself with no further explanation. Again for the slow coaches at the back; Lewis is not the only driver to have had support - and not even the only driver McLaren have supported. So where is this great advantage you say he had. He's where he is because he had a great kart? 
Deluded? If the shoe fits!
There was no weird advantage and Antony Hamilton did work hard to raise an extraordinarily high budget in those very early days but once Lewis was picked up by Martin Hines and then Ron, he certainly had the advantage of the best equipment and back up. That's simply a matter of fact. Deluded? If the shoe fits!And as said, coming from the back was nothing unusual. Lots did that on their day. Paffett was one who did it very regularly, but then again he also had a good edge with his Zip connections.
tommunster10 said:
Leroy902 said:
tommunster10 said:
No no no and no.... oh dear oh dear... my point is that anyone saying Nico isn't in the top 3 best drivers currently then you can't say Lewis is the top driver as Nico runs him so close....
Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.
So you say if Nico isn't seen as a top 3 driver, neither should Lewis on the basis Nico has run Lewis so close as teammates!? Me? I don't think Nico is the top 3 best drivers so at least i'm consistent, its the people saying Lewis is the greatest but then saying Nico is rubbish are nuts....
Cards on table for me best drivers currently if i were starting now with a team, Dan and Max.
Then you name Dan Ricciardo as being the best driver (along with Max)!?....
Would that be the same Dan that got beaten on points by his teammate Dany Kvyat last season
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 10th November 19:48
If your saying Kvyat is better than Dan then in the Merc he could be winning races? I know that Dan could as he has won races in the Red Bull.... hmmmmm.
I said BTW that Dan and Max are the most exciting drivers out there, Mercs drive at 95% So discounts them, but the shapes Max gets the Red Bull into and Dan's mammoth late breaking moves can't readily be ignored... yes both Max and Dan back in the Torro Rosso's wouldn't be fighting for 3rd place, thats Motorsport for you..
Hopefully, next year will improve things in the respect.
Lewis is one of the best drivers on the grid but only when things are going exactly to plan.
Throw a spanner in the works and he will mentally destroy himself.
This is a real weakness which many other drivers "unlike Rosberg" would use against him.
You could say he wears his heart on his sleeve but when it comes to the mental game he has a lot to learn.
Throw a spanner in the works and he will mentally destroy himself.
This is a real weakness which many other drivers "unlike Rosberg" would use against him.
You could say he wears his heart on his sleeve but when it comes to the mental game he has a lot to learn.
housen said:
think red bull would be a great fit
they have that young cool vibe about them
lewis will add to that
think ferrari is a political mess and what does a lad from stevenage want with with that
and I've said it before ...italy is a little lets say traditional
Red Bull would not want Lewis.they have that young cool vibe about them
lewis will add to that
think ferrari is a political mess and what does a lad from stevenage want with with that
and I've said it before ...italy is a little lets say traditional
Too high maintenance.
They have their Red Bull team drivers who have come up through their young drivers network.
Verstappen will be a World Champion at Red Bull so why upset the apple cart.
Ferrari could approach Lewis who would be a great replacement for Kimi but he is signed for 2017.
Ferrari would have to buy Kimi the Haagen Dazs empire to get him to bin this 2017 contract.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st December 19:53
Why do these conversations always turn personal when someone says someone negative about Hamilton.
People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
Nicolas Hamilton on the other hand is a total gent. Very grounded.
People can have their views and even if you do not like them getting personal is just a step too far.
Hamilton is a great driver but he was a better driver when he first appeared in F1 before his off track activities and money took over his life.
In 2007 Hamilton was a breath of fresh air. 100% focused and only interested in F1.
Just like Verstappen is a breath of fresh air now.
Unfortunately he attitude now is very borderline on immature when he does not get his own way.
Money and fame unfortunately has changed him.
Nicolas Hamilton on the other hand is a total gent. Very grounded.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st December 22:09
LDN said:
DeltonaS said:
snorkel sucker said:
I think Lewis sees F1 as a highly convenient springboard to launch himself into the stratosphere of public popularity. Yes, he is interested in winning I have no doubt, but equally he knows he is the best racer on the grid and that any team would snap him up.
Really,among Alonso, Ricciardo, Vettel and Verstappen it's far from obvious that Hamilton is the best racer on the grid. Skysports commercially conveniënt narrative obviously likes to bend it that way in all of their story lines full of Hamilton overstatements, hyperboles and superlatives.
Hamilton had the privilege of spending thee seasons in a row in one of the most dominant F1 cars in history, with less technical problems than his teammate in the first two seasons. Cruising to victory in so many races because of the Mercedes engine dominance.
And the F1 calendar never had so many races....
He won his first F1 title in the final lap of the last race of the season, with some help and some luck.
His 6 year run up to F1 was hardly an all concurring streak of domination, his last season in GP2 was impressive, but the rest was ok....
In between his F1 WDC titles he's often had races and seasons in which he showed more than a fair share of mistakes and clumsy driving. Ask Massa..
Hamilton in 2016 became 2nd in a two horse race, messing up starts, clumsy driving when starting in midfield, driving his teammate off track in Barcelona, not having the respect and talking down his teammate every race and of course luck when it comes to Race Controls decisions (Monaco and Mexico) in which he should've gotten penalty's for gaining an advantage where others did received penalty's.
If you want to know what the bosses think; you know, the people actually in the know, read this (and weep):
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127328
Stay trying though; your will is strong, I'll give you that
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