Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?
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I've just been reading the Autosport story ( https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137508/red-bull-... ) where, and I quote:
"Red Bull thinks it "odd" that European Formula 3 title contender Dan Ticktum cannot run in one of its young driver test days because of Formula 1's superlicence points criteria."
Why's he missing superlicence points? For this little episode - https://www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/tic...
Now, bearing in mind Santino Ferruci has just been fired from his F2 team and dropped by his management agency for a moderately lesser offence, is Horner actually raving? Surely, the whole point of a licence system is to prevent exactly this - a guy who was banned for two years (one suspeneded) for deliberately overtaking flag after flag to then crash into his rival - from going unpunished. You did something dumb and dangerous, and so you have to suffer the consequences, some of which are immediate and some of which may be quite far reaching.
Now all that said, I fully expect the criteria to be waived and Ticktum to test, thereby confirming that F1 is all about the money (as opposed to just 99%). What sort of message would it send to lower formula drivers - commit infractions and provided you're a really good driver, someone will pull the strings and sweep it all away?
Edited for the first link.
"Red Bull thinks it "odd" that European Formula 3 title contender Dan Ticktum cannot run in one of its young driver test days because of Formula 1's superlicence points criteria."
Why's he missing superlicence points? For this little episode - https://www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/tic...
Now, bearing in mind Santino Ferruci has just been fired from his F2 team and dropped by his management agency for a moderately lesser offence, is Horner actually raving? Surely, the whole point of a licence system is to prevent exactly this - a guy who was banned for two years (one suspeneded) for deliberately overtaking flag after flag to then crash into his rival - from going unpunished. You did something dumb and dangerous, and so you have to suffer the consequences, some of which are immediate and some of which may be quite far reaching.
Now all that said, I fully expect the criteria to be waived and Ticktum to test, thereby confirming that F1 is all about the money (as opposed to just 99%). What sort of message would it send to lower formula drivers - commit infractions and provided you're a really good driver, someone will pull the strings and sweep it all away?
Edited for the first link.
Edited by Smitters on Thursday 19th July 12:39
Vocal Minority said:
I guess it depends on the sanctioning bodies idea of the punishment fitting the crime.
Do you let them get away with murder or hang them for stealing a silk handkerchief? Or any of the gamut of options in between.
What would be a proportionate response to his infraction?
That's just it - I think the ban was proportional. A byproduct of the ban is that he lacks the licence points to test in F1 because he was forced to sit out a season. That's the longer, secondary impact of the punishment - make him stay in the lower formulas for longer to learn his craft and demonstrate he's got judgement as sound as his un-banned peers.Do you let them get away with murder or hang them for stealing a silk handkerchief? Or any of the gamut of options in between.
What would be a proportionate response to his infraction?
I object to Horner's view. It's not odd to me, it makes perfect sense. But then it's not going to cost me money.
coppice said:
The reek of a lynch mob , nothing like an attack of self righteous outrage . But here's the thing - plenty of racing drivers have misbehaved in the past,and some of them have gone on to great things. Young men do daft things - let him who is without sin and all that....
Let him who is without sin is a great point...I guess I was interested in views on whether having broken the rules, and been punished, he should be given special consideration because RB want him testing and, because of the nature of his punishment, he doesn't (yet) qualify. To me, that's the ongoing part of the punishment.
Do I have a problem with him testing, driving, racing? No. But only when he has the requisite experience on his licence and not just because Christian Horner wants him to and will pull some strings.
Maybe a few months in the wilderness has given him a fright and he's grown up a bit? Who knows. Williams are a pretty conservative outfit, so I don't see any silliness being tolerated. Plus, they are literally the bottom of the barrel in F1. He's gone from being the lad behind Albon in the STR queue to being locked in a dark room at Williams. That's got to smart a bit, especially in post-career hindsight.
REALIST123 said:
DanielSan said:
Smitters said:
Maybe a few months in the wilderness has given him a fright and he's grown up a bit? Who knows. Williams are a pretty conservative outfit, so I don't see any silliness being tolerated. Plus, they are literally the bottom of the barrel in F1. He's gone from being the lad behind Albon in the STR queue to being locked in a dark room at Williams. That's got to smart a bit, especially in post-career hindsight.
Could well just be he's got a few quid to buy his way onto the team for now and Williams will happily take any cash they can. He could almost certainly do with a season in F2 - the last few years have hardly been a stable learning environment, but maybe Williams are counting on some broad car knowledge from swapping seats so often.
TwentyFive said:
Smitters said:
He could almost certainly do with a season in F2
And he is going to get it. He signed to race for DAMS in F2 a few days ago. They are the current teams champions too so he has nowhere to hide in 2020.The thing that makes top tier drivers stand out is they're going as fast as possible and still have mental capacity to spare. Whether the use that to think strategy, remind their mechanic to hydrate, or whatever, they can do it.
Ticktum talks a good game in the interview chair, but as described, simply reverts to type when under duress. He doesn't have "it", that elusive mix of all the right ingredients. There isn't a driver on the F1 grid I would swap him in for. Even Kimi, who is phoning it in, has more ability in his pinky that Ticktum. Hopefully F2 for one short season will be it.
Ticktum talks a good game in the interview chair, but as described, simply reverts to type when under duress. He doesn't have "it", that elusive mix of all the right ingredients. There isn't a driver on the F1 grid I would swap him in for. Even Kimi, who is phoning it in, has more ability in his pinky that Ticktum. Hopefully F2 for one short season will be it.
I should think the punishment would take into account the potential consequences as much as the actual actions. Like the Ticktum incident where there could have been marshals on track, being hit on the head without warning by something could cause a crash in what looks to be an unusual area to crash, therefore little runoff etc.
EDLT said:
Muzzer79 said:
EDLT said:
On Ticktum being the fastest on the sim: There are some youtubers who'd absolutely school him and yet they aren't getting drives in real cars.
Please tell me you aren't comparing an actual FE/F1/F2 race team sim rig with a YouTuber on a home setup.Plus, who are these YouTubers who would 'school' him? Please share their consistent results against him with the rest of us.
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