Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020
Discussion
Wonder if this will happen.
Strange nothing has been mentioned before.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46059476
Strange nothing has been mentioned before.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46059476
LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon 
cb1965 said:
LOL at the general consensus here on Vietnam. The race may well be dull or it may not be, but if you go you'll get to experience Vietnam which is a fascinating and beautiful country ten times more interesting and picturesque than the Netherlands ever will be. I suspect most people's opinion of the country on here is generated from casual viewings of Hollywood's output such as Full Metal Jacket and Platoon
Vietnam’s a great place to visit, I’ve been there a few times. Hanoi’s hardly the best place for an international event though. Lots of poverty, pollution and chaos.
Saigon might have been better but, as said, there’ll be little or no interest locally anywhere.
Another Turkey imo.
coppice said:
DeejRC said:
Motor racing does not and never has existed because some oik liked motor sport. It exists and has always existed because of business cases.
"Fans" really need to learn to accept that nobody in the motor racing administration gives a f
k about them or has ever given a fk about them.
"Fans" really need to learn to accept that nobody in the motor racing administration gives a f
k about them or has ever given a fk about them.Your cynicism isn't entirely justified . Motor sport existed just fine when it looked at more than the bottom line . It needed to break even , of course , but was not hell bent on creating the the absurd cash cow which F1 has become. But in the wider context, most motor sport is not about profit , but about blokes messing around in cars . This weekend I am at a VSCC event which costs me only the fuel to get there , and the vast majority of stuff organised by HSCC , BARC, BRSCC , CSCC etc does not have profit at its core .
It is worth noting too that Silverstone charges a lot for entry to the GP because , just about uniquely, the government does not subsidise the race . Nor should it . But the likes of Azerbaijan are happy to lob the required numbers of dollars to pay for the race it uses to lord it over its neighbours .
It’s quite variable but Malaysia was amongst the cheapest because of lack of demand.
Megaflow said:
Having watched the video about the ‘track’ on the F1 YouTube channel, I’ll be stunned if this happens in 2020. The area that is supposed to be the pits, paddock and final section of the circuit is currently a swamp, literally.
Looking at it from someone living in the UK I would agree with you.But when you see this it changes your mind. Yes it's in Japan but it just shows you have things can be done without all the red tape.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/nov/1...
It takes months for a pothole to be fixed in the UK
Deesee said:
3 Million people move around London every morning and afternoon (including the commuters), plenty of hotels centrally and lots within say 50 mins on affordable public transport.
I would doubt there would be no shortage of title sponsors coming forwards to what would be a prestigious event, a number of the central parks could be converted to affordable camping, the effect and uplift on businesses around the area would support local government involvement, some of the European GP's already have local/regional support.
Anyway, I think the BRDC just have to be careful what they are trying to achieve, If they feel perhaps they can't justify the race fee, then they should move on and let someone else promote a GB GP.
That idea’s not worked too well in the past. I would doubt there would be no shortage of title sponsors coming forwards to what would be a prestigious event, a number of the central parks could be converted to affordable camping, the effect and uplift on businesses around the area would support local government involvement, some of the European GP's already have local/regional support.
Anyway, I think the BRDC just have to be careful what they are trying to achieve, If they feel perhaps they can't justify the race fee, then they should move on and let someone else promote a GB GP.
And given how poor the logistics have been at Silverstone for years, despite the massive investment and improvements, the thought of a GP in London is a nightmare.
Not saying it won’t happen though, as has been said, the travails of the punter are rarely taken into account.
Deesee said:
thegreenhell said:
Well obviously they'd have to pick a day when the trains were running. Nobody actually drives into London for a day trip, do they?
We do, park in New Bond Street, & Parking is mostly free in Westminster on a Sunday.
Deesee said:
Well they are claiming 4-7 million losses per event, so I'm unsure how they are generating revenue for Motorsport, they were quoted last year as..
“We are pretty much a full house, and we are charging pretty much a full price, and we still can’t make the sums add up,” Stuart Pringle, the track’s sporting director, has said.
Simple Fag pack maths suggests they somehow need to find an extra £70 profit per person to breakeven, lord knows what that would extend to in terms of turnover/sales.
They’re unlikely to get it by increasing ticket prices. That strategy, which I seem to remember was suggested to them by Ecclestone when selling them the latest contract, fell flat when numbers fell and they had to actually lower the prices again. “We are pretty much a full house, and we are charging pretty much a full price, and we still can’t make the sums add up,” Stuart Pringle, the track’s sporting director, has said.
Simple Fag pack maths suggests they somehow need to find an extra £70 profit per person to breakeven, lord knows what that would extend to in terms of turnover/sales.
It would be interesting to know what the attendance (and losses) would be without the so called Hamilton effect. Maybe we’ll never know.
This is supposed to be the Vietnam Street Circuit in a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZi41-BFJ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZi41-BFJ0
Deesee said:
REALIST123 said:
Deesee said:
Well they are claiming 4-7 million losses per event, so I'm unsure how they are generating revenue for Motorsport, they were quoted last year as..
“We are pretty much a full house, and we are charging pretty much a full price, and we still can’t make the sums add up,” Stuart Pringle, the track’s sporting director, has said.
Simple Fag pack maths suggests they somehow need to find an extra £70 profit per person to breakeven, lord knows what that would extend to in terms of turnover/sales.
They’re unlikely to get it by increasing ticket prices. That strategy, which I seem to remember was suggested to them by Ecclestone when selling them the latest contract, fell flat when numbers fell and they had to actually lower the prices again. “We are pretty much a full house, and we are charging pretty much a full price, and we still can’t make the sums add up,” Stuart Pringle, the track’s sporting director, has said.
Simple Fag pack maths suggests they somehow need to find an extra £70 profit per person to breakeven, lord knows what that would extend to in terms of turnover/sales.
It would be interesting to know what the attendance (and losses) would be without the so called Hamilton effect. Maybe we’ll never know.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.f1-atte...
Silverstone averages by attendance 150,000 than the average GP (200,000), 350,000 people attended making it the most popular event on the calendar.
The BRDC claim that 50% of their total turnover (55m) is the GB GP.
350,000 attendees, so they are claiming average revenue per visitor of £78.00, whilst flogging tickets for general admission at £185.00, grandstand start at £300/350.
Im pretty sure Liberty don't want to lose those attendee numbers, Likewise when you have the highest attended event with some of the highest ticket prices, you have to ask why it doesn't work.
All I said is that they’ve tried increasing prices and it resulted in falling numbers. I also wondered what the attendance would be without Hamilton.
The fact that they lose money on it is a proven fact, I believe.
BTW 350,000 at £78 could be right. That’s numbers over the weekend; there aren’t 350,000 different people buying tickets. £185 GA is for all three days. £60 a day average.
Those who only go on Friday pay £50.
I think it’s clear why they lose money; the £20 odd million (soon to be 27) they pay Liberty.
BigBen said:
REALIST123 said:
BigBen said:
Anyone thinking of going to this one?
I am considering it as an alternative to my bi-annual trip to Austin
Ben
You go to Austin twice each year? Or do you mean biennial? I am considering it as an alternative to my bi-annual trip to Austin
Ben
Where have you stayed there? I’ve just booked flights there for 2020, need to find some accommodation.
I have rented a house just outside the city (I think the owners are dead now or I would likely have done it again) bit of a PITA but worked well with a big group.
I have stayed in a friend's RV at Bastrop, handy for the circuit but a bit of a drive into the city for entertainment
Most recently stayed in a Days Inn or some other budget chain downtown, most expensive yet s
ttest hotel I have stayed in but worth doing as the weekend is as much about the social side than the racing.About 10 miles from COTA, 5 from DT or airport.
TheDeuce said:
BigBen said:
Anyone thinking of going to this one?
I am considering it as an alternative to my bi-annual trip to Austin
Ben
We have considered it (mostly to be honest, because we want to see Vietnam anyway) but have decided to maybe go 2021 instead. Dependent on how good the circuit proves to be. I think the turn 8 seating would be best, giving a long view down both long straights for overtaking and the braking into the very tight turns 6 & 7.I am considering it as an alternative to my bi-annual trip to Austin
Ben
I think it could potentially be a very good circuit though - and if you're brave enough to take the year one risk of the unknown, there is at least plenty of potential for an unusual result. New circuit = at least one team is going to get their set-up wrong (or very right) and end in a position that isn't typical for their car.
For next year, if at all possible, I'm hoping to go to Zandvoort
BigBen said:
TheDeuce said:
REALIST123 said:
We thought about Hanoi but, having been there a couple of times it’s my least favourite Vietnamese place, especially with the pollution and poverty. The risk of another poor street circuit also tells me to wait and see how it goes first.
That's pretty much our feeling too. Also... what's the chances that year one hosting this sort of sporting event will result in monumental traffic and organisational issues? I've never been but Hanoi does have a bit a reputation for being a disorganised crunch spot even on a typical day. I have no doubt the organisers will have considered the same and made a great effort, and no matter what we'd cope... But combined with not even knowing what the racing will be like, we're gonna hold off.Very much looking forward to watching from home though next year though.
Then there’s the race; but the whole will always be better with a memorable race.
Incidentally, the whole of the above is why I’ll likely never go to Paul Ricard....... for me it will always fail on both measures..........
coppice said:
I haven't been to Ricard for decades , but whilst it wasn't Spa, the circuit was not as bad as some , but it does seem to have become fashionable to sneer at it . The area is gorgeous , fabulous food of course (it's Provence, so it would be) and at least it is in a country with huge racing heritage,and not some godforsaken Middle East sheikdom . .
That said, my chief memory is the sight of little groups of ..err..working girls at every crossroads near the circuit. Odd, don't see too many down Towcester way ...
The food can’t make up for the other issues. That said, my chief memory is the sight of little groups of ..err..working girls at every crossroads near the circuit. Odd, don't see too many down Towcester way ...
Access is awful, even with the new P and R, the circuit itself is soulless and the coloured abrasive sections........
They should just keep it as the test circuit it is.
coppice said:
BigBen said:
I am actually of the opinion that the quality of the racing matters a lot less when you are there, it is more about the atmosphere. For instance I did Monaco one year and it was great despite the race undoubtedly being a snooze fest on TV.
You are so right . It is a sport which can only be appreciated fully by being there , seeing it, smelling it and hearing it - and preferably over the full 3 days. People tell me , from the infinite well of wisdom that comes only from watching grainy youtube footage, that the 80s turbo era of F1 was nothing special , because lots of racing was not as close as,now . And all I will say is that the 3 days I spent at Brands Hatch in 86 watching near uncontrollable turbo monsters at close range was mesmerising -and I have never seen anything better, anywhere. But ANY GP is an event if you are there - TV is a pale shadow of reality
He’ll be taking me to Austin next year as a birthday treat...........how things change.
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