George Russell
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What do we think of his future?
I remember vandoorne arriving at an unbelievably poor McLaren and driving around for years looking bad next to potential GOAT Alonso before vanishing.
George has so far seemed better than Kubica, but he's far from a perfect control/benchmark, especially in a williams. Has George jumped to F1 too early to find a spot to demonstrate his skill, or will his pre-F1 results keep him going?
I remember vandoorne arriving at an unbelievably poor McLaren and driving around for years looking bad next to potential GOAT Alonso before vanishing.
George has so far seemed better than Kubica, but he's far from a perfect control/benchmark, especially in a williams. Has George jumped to F1 too early to find a spot to demonstrate his skill, or will his pre-F1 results keep him going?
vaud said:
thegreenhell said:
A guy who has only scored four points for his team in three years isn't going to turn down an easy nine points and his first F1 trophy. I don't think his team would be very happy with him if he did, either.
Agreed - he's potentially secured 8th place for Williams which will have significant impact for them. 
A huge chunk of luck, but a piece that he earned on Saturday.Cold said:
Perhaps VB has just had enough of doing stuff for his team mate and Mercedes? It was of no benefit to him to hold up Max, so made no effort to do so.
He's always been useless at defending. Max even commented (when Ricciardo won "best overtake" for a late braking move) that no overtake on VB could ever be the best one.Great Dane said:
The whole story reminds me of the film 'Layer Cake'... there is always some smartass coming along to beat you.... see the poster in the background 
I do find a great irony in young hotshot Lewis who so upset the apple cart upon his arrival ending his career alongside a young hotshot with a massive sense of entitlement.I wonder if they'll get on.
Harry H said:
Maybe those people (me) that mention Georges clothing were having a joke. For those without a sense of humour it was based around the stick some people give Lewis for his choice of personal attire which is completely irrelevant to his ability to be the GOAT.
I thought it was a pretty transparent joke fwiw.Smiljan said:
Remind me was he going to help or to hit Bottas in this image?
There just something intangible I really don't like about Russell, maybe it's the overly polished media persona that is very controlled and somewhat insincere. The Silverstone crash to me was the actions of someone who realised their car was disabled and thought for a moment they he may have contributed to a serious accident. The marshalls didn't need him standing on a tyre barrier or running around in the gravel trap. Asking for re-entry to the race kind of cemented that position in my mind at least.
He may be a terrific all round good guy but I really don't get that feeling at all. I believe he would quite happily do a Shuey and ram someone off the track to cement a Championship. All of these folk are at their core target driven, competitive people, he's no different.
I think he will win a championship eventually and like many champions before him there will be many dubious moments among the races that take him there.
I feel that, but I also remember THIS years Silverstone wnen he jumped out of the car to check on Zhou.There just something intangible I really don't like about Russell, maybe it's the overly polished media persona that is very controlled and somewhat insincere. The Silverstone crash to me was the actions of someone who realised their car was disabled and thought for a moment they he may have contributed to a serious accident. The marshalls didn't need him standing on a tyre barrier or running around in the gravel trap. Asking for re-entry to the race kind of cemented that position in my mind at least.
He may be a terrific all round good guy but I really don't get that feeling at all. I believe he would quite happily do a Shuey and ram someone off the track to cement a Championship. All of these folk are at their core target driven, competitive people, he's no different.
I think he will win a championship eventually and like many champions before him there will be many dubious moments among the races that take him there.
Smiljan said:
glazbagun said:
I feel that, but I also remember THIS years Silverstone wnen he jumped out of the car to check on Zhou.
Did you even read what I wrote?
I said it was selfish but not to imply he'd done something wrong. More that he was looking out for #1, which bodes well for his F1 future IMO.
Lewis overrules the team too, most famously in that brilliant Turkey 2020 victory, but seemed to have been caught out. I thought his restart was especially poor.
Lewis overrules the team too, most famously in that brilliant Turkey 2020 victory, but seemed to have been caught out. I thought his restart was especially poor.
Blib said:
The primary goal of any professional racing driver is 'beat your teammate'. It more often than not keeps you employed.
Ask Lando.
Or Lewis! Bottas never had the need to put himself first as all to often he was out of contention too quickly. He was equal on paper but not on track. Perez was being deliberately compromised early season but knows there's nothing he can do if he wants to keep his seat. He's #2 and knows it. George isn't.Ask Lando.
If that were Lewis/Nico in either position they'd be putting themselves first.
Piginapoke said:
Perez has never been deliberately compromised, he’s just slower than Max.
I agree that he's slower than Max, but he was ordered to give up the lead in Azerbaijan (race 8) and to let Max past twice in Spain (Race 6!). Not like it's ten raced deep in and the points are vital.He's Max's rear gunner and nothing else. Not like George and not like Nico. Hell, Lewis was even giving Valterai his podium back in his battle with Vettel when he was behind in the championship.
When has Perez ever been allowed to go for Max? He hasn't. He's Max's b
h and that's his job.Has anyone else thought that Georges defending has been surprisingly weak at times thus season? He's held off Perez doggedly at times, but at Monza and Zandvoort when Max was coming through it felt that he was picking a poor line.
I'm no F1 great of course, but I expected him to use this season to get his elbows out, instead he seems to be maximizing his race like you see the midpack doing and staying out of the way of the leaders.
I'm no F1 great of course, but I expected him to use this season to get his elbows out, instead he seems to be maximizing his race like you see the midpack doing and staying out of the way of the leaders.
axel1990chp said:
Ive tried liking Georgeyboy, i really have. Something with him just doesnt sit right! (Not like he cares of my opinion but hey ho)
He incessant whining at the slightest inconvenience like the world owes him a favour is irritating. Case in point with CLC lap one into the chicane.
Nobody likes a taddle tail cry baby but he seems to be the physical embodiment of it!
I just think he takes himself really seriously and has no sense of humour when it comes to racing.He incessant whining at the slightest inconvenience like the world owes him a favour is irritating. Case in point with CLC lap one into the chicane.
Nobody likes a taddle tail cry baby but he seems to be the physical embodiment of it!
CoolHands said:
I don’t agree. I was really annoyed when he let him breeze straight past. For one thing, he has given max the mindset that he can just waltz past, and will have that reputation unlike others on the grid. Also you don’t know what might happen later, if he had held max up for a lap or two it may have benefited him or LH later (look at the fact they finished under SC). You don’t know at the early part what may come. It’s not like he was 10th and max was coming past.
I'm thinking more of next year or the year after. Everyone knows passing Max means being driven off the road just as everyone knows Bottas can't put up a fight. Like you say that will filter into how other drivers approach him. Forcing Max to at least make an effort will pay dividends later I'd have thought.C70R said:
What does Russell actually have to gain by keeping a much faster car behind him, and risking jeopardising his own race by overworking his tyres?
Plus, he's a LONG way slower than Max at the moment.
A reputation. Here's Nico's interview after achieving his life's ambition against his great adversary:Plus, he's a LONG way slower than Max at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZGQFb-SU_g
Max finished 4th in the race and fifth in the championship behind Seb & Ricciardo. Everyone hates passing Max.
Here's Max' view of Bottas the year he finished two points ahead of him in the WDC. Noone worries about passing Bottas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/l81ctl/...
C70R said:
As said previously, the sport (all sport) attracts people with huge egos.
The fact that Nico decided to leave on his own terms and enjoy it in his own way speaks volumes more about his character than any supposed "dim view" taken by "those within the sport".
From what I recall Niki Lauda was pretty unhappy about it. The same Niki who quit a championship on his own terms and upset Enzo. The fact that Nico decided to leave on his own terms and enjoy it in his own way speaks volumes more about his character than any supposed "dim view" taken by "those within the sport".
I'm sure Nico cries every night into his millions at the dim view taken of him by some. Then hugs his wife and jumps into his 300SL for a trip to the shops worrying about it all the while.
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