Old F1 chassis
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On this thread my answer was either Benneton B194 or Jordan B191 which left me thinking, I on my road trip to Maranello last year I visited the Schumacher private collection in Koln. naturally there was a Jordan B191 and Benneton B194 in that collection along with the B195.
I have seen pictures of other B191, B194,B195 around the world in collections, the question is how many chassis existed? Jordan fielded 2 cars with 5 different drivers, So presume 3 chassis so they had a spare? That should mean there's only 3 cars around the world? Would also presume the 1 in the Schumacher collection is the chassis number he actually drove in 1991. But there seems to be more spread around the world, so either replicas or Benneton B191 repainted as Jordan B191?
That then got me thinking, Mick Schumacher drove the B194 at Spa, was that the B194 I saw at the Schumacher collection? Or was that another chassis? Is there any documented history of F1 chassis numbers available?
Then there's the Ferrari chassis in the Schumacher collection, Ferrari had the "same" cars on display at Maranello, so either he used numerous chassis again or some of them are team mates renumbered?
While doing some work with SEAT Sport, SEAT UK and SEAT ES I managed to provide information to a chap who runs a touring car register that means we could document all the SEAT Sport Leon WTCC/BTCC cars history, is there anything similar for F1 cars?
On this thread my answer was either Benneton B194 or Jordan B191 which left me thinking, I on my road trip to Maranello last year I visited the Schumacher private collection in Koln. naturally there was a Jordan B191 and Benneton B194 in that collection along with the B195.
I have seen pictures of other B191, B194,B195 around the world in collections, the question is how many chassis existed? Jordan fielded 2 cars with 5 different drivers, So presume 3 chassis so they had a spare? That should mean there's only 3 cars around the world? Would also presume the 1 in the Schumacher collection is the chassis number he actually drove in 1991. But there seems to be more spread around the world, so either replicas or Benneton B191 repainted as Jordan B191?
That then got me thinking, Mick Schumacher drove the B194 at Spa, was that the B194 I saw at the Schumacher collection? Or was that another chassis? Is there any documented history of F1 chassis numbers available?
Then there's the Ferrari chassis in the Schumacher collection, Ferrari had the "same" cars on display at Maranello, so either he used numerous chassis again or some of them are team mates renumbered?
While doing some work with SEAT Sport, SEAT UK and SEAT ES I managed to provide information to a chap who runs a touring car register that means we could document all the SEAT Sport Leon WTCC/BTCC cars history, is there anything similar for F1 cars?
Edited by AJB88 on Saturday 4th January 19:11
Had a quick look at my photos from the MS Collection. The B194 is raised in the air, 100% no engine in it and also has Bitburger sponsoring down the side so not the one that Mick drove.
Cant really see engines in any of the photos on the Ferrari, Jordan or Benetton cars as took them all from the front.
Watched a video I haven't seen last night of on board footage of Mick in the B194 at Spa, sounds amazing.
Cant really see engines in any of the photos on the Ferrari, Jordan or Benetton cars as took them all from the front.
Watched a video I haven't seen last night of on board footage of Mick in the B194 at Spa, sounds amazing.
Edited by AJB88 on Monday 6th January 21:27
F1GTRUeno said:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eILDgPJZnL...
I have 1989-99 roughly mapped out here.
Number of spaces for each chassis relates to how many made for each team although some aren't accurate (McLaren's from the early Mercedes era are tough to work out without going full detective on the Unit 2 photos for instance so there's just a record for there being two cars if the team ran two cars)
A little bit of insider knowledge plus a s
t load of google searches. Been keeping tabs for a fair few years now.
Most I've seen is McLaren at the height of their Marlboro powers making 11 chassis in a year and Williams building a stload of FW15B/C/D.
Once the testing restrictions came in during the mid-late 00's they stopped making as many chassis and now they usually make 3-4.
Seem to remember Ferrari having double spare cars in the mid-90's at certain races. I miss the days of the arguments over who got the spare car after an accident like Belgium 98.
Top work will have a read through it tomorrow!I have 1989-99 roughly mapped out here.
Number of spaces for each chassis relates to how many made for each team although some aren't accurate (McLaren's from the early Mercedes era are tough to work out without going full detective on the Unit 2 photos for instance so there's just a record for there being two cars if the team ran two cars)
A little bit of insider knowledge plus a s
t load of google searches. Been keeping tabs for a fair few years now.Most I've seen is McLaren at the height of their Marlboro powers making 11 chassis in a year and Williams building a s
tload of FW15B/C/D.Once the testing restrictions came in during the mid-late 00's they stopped making as many chassis and now they usually make 3-4.
Seem to remember Ferrari having double spare cars in the mid-90's at certain races. I miss the days of the arguments over who got the spare car after an accident like Belgium 98.
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Monday 6th January 23:28
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Monday 6th January 23:32
dr_gn said:
Can’t remember the chassis number, but the livery is wrong for Spa ‘91. I think it’s engine is displayed separately? Appears to be a genuine chassis, but last time I saw it, it was supported by blocks of wood. Maybe just the tyres that are knackered.
It was a complete chassis, wheels etc. Couldnt see the chassis plate but according to a list its #5
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