40 mph cruisers who speed up when overtaken...

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Why the FK do they do it?

So annoying...

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omgus said:

DonkeyApple said:

Half the time I think they are day dreaming and you wake them up when you overtake. They then drive at the higher speed for a while.

This.

Really fks me off when they see you preparing for an overtake after driving like Miss Daisy for a mile or two and then suddenly speeding up at the time i decide to pass.

Exactly what happened.

Riding along the A153, with a Renault just in front and the 40 mph cruiser ahead of him/her. They have a look down a straight, but don't go for it (probably expecting me to go for it first, afterall, it's a bike behind me, I know he wants to get past...) after a few corners onto the next straight I go for it, only to find the damn idiot has sped up...



I'm genuinely suprised they don't crash through boredom.

The bike was falling asleep...

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superman84 said:

If you had a faster car than the one in front and knew how to drive it properly this wouldn't be a problem.

Yes, but I've got a slower (on paper) vehicle than the one in front!

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superman84 said:

CBR JGWRR said:

Yes, but I've got a slower (on paper) vehicle than the one in front!

That's your problem not the car in front's.

No, the problem is they aren't using all the available performance they have...

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superman84 said:

otolith said:

You need a much more accelerative car than the one in front if they are going to be deliberately obstructive.

Exactly, if you're not quick enough to get past the car in front regardless of any change in their speed then a) don't bother trying or b) if you try and get shown up don't whine bout it on an Internet forum because that's just lame.

I did get past actually.

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Mr2Mike said:

superman84 said:

Exactly, if you're not quick enough to get past the car in front regardless of any change in their speed then a) don't bother trying or b) if you try and get shown up don't whine bout it on an Internet forum because that's just lame.

It's for more "lame" when people accelerate to try to prevent you overtaking.

Perhaps he's one of them?

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superman84 said:

CBR JGWRR said:

I did get past actually.

Why are you moaning then?

Because accelerating when being overtaken is dangerous...

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superman84 said:

If youre that bothered OP buy a faster car then and/or learn to drive properly. If not chill out and stop trying to overtake every car you have decided is going too slow- as they might just embarrass you. Remember you can't change the behaviour of others. No matter how much you cry about it

Edited by superman84 on Thursday 26th July 18:29

You make me laugh.

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Robb F said:

superman84 said:

It's not your fault but it's your problem - that's my point, the rules are irrelevant.
Re: the Audi I'd probably drop it into second and fancy my chances that I can catch him off guard assuming im feeling that impatient. If that fails then fair play you can't win them all. If it was something much quicker I wouldn't bother, maybe flash the headlights to see if that wakes them up.

Your point seems quite clear that you think the OP shouldn't be annoyed at people speeding up when he overtakes them, claiming that it is his fault because they have a faster car. You were quite clear you that he shouldn't "cry about it".

I think it is perfectly reasonable having a cheeky whinge on the internet about people driving dangerously (not my word, its in the highway code)

Enjoy sitting behind slow cars because they have a bigger engine that you, I'll continue overtaking them.

Exactly.


TBH, if engine size was the only factor, I would wind up never looking forward, as I am quite keen on 125cc motorcycles - you can ride them at 100 percent of their ability safely on the road, and you need never worry about your licence. (Which is a full one)

Mine spend 90 odd % of the time they are ridden at full throttle, Revved all the way to the redline in every gear safe to do so, pretty much ignoring NSL, like anyone else on here. (All other speed limits are respected obviously, riding to the conditions.)

This I find quite fun and relaxing, and because you are only ever doing 70 or so, it's safe and reasonable progress, if slow.

Then you have the fustration of being caught behind someone doing 40/50. Now, it's possible to pass, but I only ever do moves which I'm certain are safe (If something goes wrong, I'm the one who gets hurt afterall) part of the reason why I let the Renault have a look first, not that I would blindly follow on if he/she/it went for it, afterall, there might only be space for them to get past, and being side by side with someone with nowhere to go isn't apppealing...

superman84 said:

Exactly. Have you seen what other drivers are like?!

Sadly, I do find myself agreeing with you on this...

But, it shouldn't be like this.

Balmoral said:

yes:

Gone are the days when folks would ease off and give you a left signal to let you know you're good to go. It still happens, but it's rare.

Just nail it past and ignore any light flashing or speeding up on their part.

I still do it.

djad1200 said:

just get an Aerial Atom for a 'toy' and blow his windows in as you pass the old fart

The only trouble is funding it.

I'd have one in a instant.

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CocklePlucker said:

He wouldn't understand that though, he seems a bit thick to be honest.

It is incredibly dangerous when people speed up when being overtaken, however someone that refuses to slow down should a driver make a mistake and misjudge an overtake are just as dangerous, as the fatality that occured in this manner not too far away from me a couple of years ago shows.

As for me, I'm currently driving my gf's 1.2 Clio so overtakes are a thing of the past

Edited by CocklePlucker on Friday 27th July 11:17

Edited by CocklePlucker on Friday 27th July 11:18

My bike tops out at 75 mph, and it can overtake.

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Captain Muppet said:

CocklePlucker said:

As for me, I'm currently driving my gf's 1.2 Clio so overtakes are a thing of the past

I used to do epic overtaking in my 29bhp 2CV. I used to plan sometimes miles ahead - building and carrying speed through corners so I could hit a particular straight doing 60 and get past a caravan/truck/tourist. Driving along the B1145 was like playing chess, but slower. I did an FB RX7 once, made me really sad to overtake something so lovely.

Same, I was setting up the overtake for the preceeding 4 miles...


Driving/riding things which you can really get the most out of is great.

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monthefish said:

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Captain Muppet said:

CocklePlucker said:

As for me, I'm currently driving my gf's 1.2 Clio so overtakes are a thing of the past

I used to do epic overtaking in my 29bhp 2CV. I used to plan sometimes miles ahead - building and carrying speed through corners so I could hit a particular straight doing 60 and get past a caravan/truck/tourist. Driving along the B1145 was like playing chess, but slower. I did an FB RX7 once, made me really sad to overtake something so lovely.

Same, I was setting up the overtake for the preceeding 4 miles...


Driving/riding things which you can really get the most out of is great.

Whilst this is quite a good technique (and have used it myself many a time) there's one thing you need to be very careful of:

The 'target' car will have driven the preceding 4 miles with nothing behind it, and as such may take a sudden action, without warning or signal, because he has assumed that there is nothing behind.

This happend to me once - I was doing this exact technique and just as I was about to overtake (having built up sufficient speed) - the target car suddenly turned right to do a U turn with no warning or signal whatsover.

Fortunately my brakes were just up the job and I managed to avoid him. The sad thing was that, had there been a collision, the courts would probably have thrown the book at me as they usually blame the 'overtaker'.

Well, apart from the renault in front of me behind him, and the truck behind me (The renault had a look on the straight before I passed, but decided not to, probably expecting me to go first)

He definitely knew people were behind him.


Spelling edit.

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monthefish said:

So were all three of you setting up the overtake for the preceding 4 miles?

The truck wasn't, the renault was expecting me to go first, but didn't need to plan it from 4 miles back.

I started planning the pass as soon as I realised I was closing on them.


I don't know whether they overtook the 40 mph guy, I left them behind screaming along at 10.5k - 11k rpm afterwards...

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Leins said:

Here in Ireland we have a huge number of single-carriage roads between towns, and the etiquette was always that, where appropriate, the slower car in front would pull over slightly, possibly using a portion of the hard-shoulder if one was there, to allow others to overtake

However, in the last number of years this has died out almost completely, and I personally blame the "Speed Kills" fraternity for now making overtaking a heinous crime. What makes it worse is mile after mile sitting behind 3 or 4 vehicles, all glued nose-to-tail at 10 or 15MPH below the speed limit, and none of them with any intention of trying to pass or allow a gap for anyone else to do so. When there finally is a decent stretch in the road, you have to take them all in one go, and cue the flashing lights from some of them as you invariably overtake the lead car at a certain speed which may (or may not ) be above the limit

One question I have for the bikers on here. When I try and move over to the left-hand side of a single-carriage road with hard shoulder to allow you through, does it cause problems if I actually move partially into the hard shoulder? A colleague maintains that there can be so much debris and chippings on a hard-shoulder that the car can then just start firing it up at the bike before they have a chance to overtake. Therefore it might be better just to move to the near edge of the shoulder instead, and with a bike's greater performance and smaller width this will be sufficient enough of a gap to help them get through

If we were passing on the left yes.




Good overtaking technique is to move to the right first as a safety check, then unleash full power to do the pass. (After ensuring it's safe to move out to start with)

This allows enough time to fully assess all the variables, then get straight on the power, reducing the time spent in danger, and going much faster than the standard bannana move. (which arguably is less time spent in danger, but this is balanced by the fact that getting on the power is more complete, with much less left to chance. And you aren't having to check the power while bringing the bike out at the start of the bannana)

Note - I didn't use this earlier to pass 40 mph guy, as I started accelerating out on a right hand bend to pass as soon as the straight started.

GadgeS3C said:

One warning - I've had people do this for me when it really isn't safe to overtake. They look confused as to why I didn't immediately go.

Yeah it happens. We, (well, most of us) will only go for a pass that is safe (Doppler effect passes excluded. We know we can make it...)

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Leins said:

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If we were passing on the left yes

I was sort of thinking more about when I move over to left-hand side of the road when the bike is coming up behind, say maybe 20 or 30 feet still behind my car. So even though it would only be the left wheels of my car going across onto the hard shoulder, I was worried this could send chippings back into the path of the bike


I grew up having to learn to overtake (with fairly modest power) due to a very poor quality, but entertaining , road network here in the early 90s. Some of it is, unfortunately, trial and error when you start, and if you do something stupid you have to learn to never do it again. Blind dips are a prime example of this

But anyone who intentionally speeds up, closes gaps, or moves to the right to "teach the overtaker a lesson" is a f**king moron and doesn't deserve a driving licence

The chances are we would be approaching on the right hand side of our side of the road, so debris isn't likely to hit, certainly I can't remember the last time it happened.

Well, apart from suicidal bugs...