BMW M2 Accident

[anonymous-user]

Unfortunately there was a bad accident at a local car event up here in Aberdeenshire.

The event is great for the area but unfortunately it went to this young mans head.

Thankfully it was a single car accident but both himself and his girlfriend are in a serious condition.

Footage on social media of him driving past the event before then crashing is online but thankfully not of the actual crash.

Hopefully both make a full recovery but his driving was extremely dangerous to say the least.

Just feel for the organisers who will no doubt be asked questions over the incident when it is outwith their control.

Hope it does not stop the meeting taking place in the future.

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TurboHatchback said:

Did he somehow take out that tree that's lying across the road?

I feel for the girlfriend and her family, bloke sounds like a right pillock though. Money can't buy talent or intelligence.

One of his pages.

If this is against the rules I will delete.

http://picbear.com/cozza_mca

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th June 19:12

[anonymous-user]

Oh dear, that's not a good way to end up. Sadly, looking at the social media stuff and the drive-by, inevitable. And trees are pretty much one of the worst things to hit. No winners here.

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FourWheelDrift said:

The approach to the section, look behind as well for a bit of straight road to get up speed.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.1468636,-2.50225...

As you have stated the road before the entrance "where the Porsche 918 was sitting" is basically straight for a few miles as the corners are nice and open.

I would have no doubt that he would have been travelling at 100 mph plus when passing the Porsche.

This road was resurfaced the last time I attended the car meeting as there was a speed limit due to the stones on the road. The section he went off is under trees which can still have damp patches on a warm day.

The unbelievable part about the accident is that he drove along that road at least once at speed before the accident so he must have know what that corner was all about before appearing again at a faster rate of knots.

How someone could still attack that part of road knowing there are people at the side of the road and the fact other cars are exiting the event but still pass at that speed really needs the book thrown at him.

In fact I have seen less get jail but if he is not short of cash it will result in a big fine.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th June 19:39

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CoolHands said:

Sympathy = < 0

He might have driven like an idiot, but no sympathy sounds a bit harsh, particularly when we don't know the circumstances. For all we know the high speed might have coincided with some local wildlife, a mechanical failure or even a medical episode.

If it was just the driving then he's got the injuries to his girlfriend, himself and a possible prison sentence to deal with- each a salutary lesson in its own right.

[anonymous-user]

Footage of the cars leaving the meeting.

The last car in the clip is the hero leaving in his M2 heading in the direction he crashes with the back stepping out slightly.

Again this means he had to come back the same road and they did his final pass which was the accident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAg_jPFPkzo

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th June 20:03

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The Wookie said:

I had a 400bhp Evo 9 when I was 24 and was killed several times. Then I had a 997 and was killed even more.

He's not a child, whether anyone should be driving high performance cars on a basic license with no further training is the question we should ask

The question is what sort of training (yup, can of worms alert)?

I'd put forward that RegLocal, attitude training would incredibly useful to young lads like the subject of the OP. The risk in car handling sessions is that they can breed false confidence in ability being able to overcome scenario (not to diminish the value of knowing how to handle a car).

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Biker's Nemesis said:

Well anyone that knows me will tell you I have done some stupid things that I have had to live with for the last 30 years so I'm not joining a baying mob with my pitchfork.

What I will say is that I can't believe that he had already left the show and turned right so knew that people were standing on either side of the road watching the cars leave, yet it appears that he has turned around and decided to have a "fly by".

Its never a good idea to think "I'll show them" or say to someone "watch this" especially with so many people videoing the cars.

Cock waving at its worst.

My sympathies too the Driver, passenger and their families.

Unfortunately he decided to do two fly by's after leaving the meeting.

The accident was in the same direction he leaves the meeting so he turned and went past only to turn and do another which resulted in the accident.

Hopefully both the driver and his girlfriend make it. It was the poor girlfriend who had to be cut out. Seems to be the way in these things

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Lotus Notes said:

The most recent video showing the exit to the site shows the real speed and then you hear the crash...

WOW.

Pretty scary when someone runs across the road seconds before the car speeds past.

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ITP said:

I would imagine the authorities will get all the data, including speed, from the cars own electronics in a case like this with serious injuries.

Any crash that triggers the airbags in a modern BMW sends BMW the crash data automatically (assuming there is mobile coverage where you crash) added to which the onboard crash logger in the SRS system has a non- erasable copy of the last few min of the cars parameters (speed, accel, DSC state, handwheel rates etc etc)

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Gav147 said:

m3jappa said:

Theres no way thats 80, more like 120+ i reckon, you can hear its flat out, and not flat out in second!

Speed ranges in gears for the m2, if it was on the limiter, (according to google) are 68 in 2nd, 103 in 3rd and 138 in 4th.

As soon as I watched it I thought it was 100mph, perhaps slightly more or slightly less, difficult to accurately tell from the video, obviously.

The other thing is - simply looking at the aftermath - I'd be surprised if they both or even one of them survive. If they do it must be down to safety features on the car - imagine this was 1987 and he was in an E30 325i at that speed!

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Zombie said:

Re the Father being asked to pay for the fire service's time...

It's irrelevant. The suggestion is that his father is responsible by proxy.

I'd imagine having a child in hospital with serious nee life changing injuries is sufficient punishment for whatever heinous misjudgment he may or may not have made.

If the originator of this suggestion feels so strongly, then perhaps he should be sent round to the grieving family and ask for the check. Wonder whether or not he'd have the balls and be callous enough to do so?

Agree.

Some really horrible attitudes on this page. Parading the guy's social media feeds and using that to somehow justify why he's at fault is a very stty thing to do.

He has made a terrible terrible error of judgement but no amount of character assassination by internet self affirmers after the event is going to change that.

As for your last sentence then of course not.

Let's hope all involved recover as best they can.

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apotts said:

Comments made by the young driver when he was 19:

Not really an offence but when I picked up my new car (BMW) :ninja: from Stevenage I had a 550 mile drive home with out a single hitch on the roads I'd never driven. I got to the bypass to the town next to mine, so I thought I would go a spin through to see what was happening if anything as it was 2 in the morning...
Anyway I see a cop car ahead that pulled into a junction so when I go pass I stare him out, needless to say he then followed me throughout the town for a mile or so. As there is a few bad pot holes on a narrow corner I drove along the middle of of the road to dodge them. Once on the Main Street lights go on so I though her we go!
Pull over and get the questions saying they suspect me of drink driving and if it was my car and insured. Then after I tell him just picked it up and drove home he checks all four tyres (pointless), think he was looking for things to do me for as they never even breathalyzed me after saying they suspected me of doing so, took my details. As I never had the V5 to hand.

While they had stopped me my trip computer was showing on the centre console with an average speed of 61MPH so I quickly exited that before they spotted it. I tried some banter like have u been busy as it was the dead of night but nothing.
Just before I left they asked me what I do for a living, how much my insurance was and how much the car cost, as I'm a young driver they were probably thinking how could I afford it.

Also been reported for dangerous driving by a motorist that I overtook and they must have though it was to small a gap to pass clearly I had plenty.
Lucky i was out when they turned up so only spoke to my dad.

I sincerely hope they make a full recovery, and both learn some valuable life lessons that help make them better prepared for the future.

The bit i don't get is where kids today deliberately wind up police officers? Tell you what, hows about after your crash the emergency services on the scene just stand around and "stare you out" for a bit instead of, you know, saving your sorry little life you See-You-Next-Tuesday.

That's the difference. I was luckily enough (thanks to a relatively dying ;-( to have an Integrale Evo when i was 21. i drove like a tit, but if i saw a police officer, i'd be crapping myself about even getting pulled over. Today these kids treat it as a big game, well, guess what, it ain't much of a game now is it.......

(i'd like to see life time driving bans for clear cut cases like this btw)

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jacklb25 said:

Details of the accident

WIthout wanting to sound like a killjoy, I'd resist posting any more details of any sort, as you're a prime candidate to be a prosecution witness and you might end up saying something you shouldn't or that excludes you from being useful.

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Thankfully there is a comment on the footage page of the M2 stating that the girlfriend was speaking to her friend from hospital. This is obviously great news.

Unfortunately the "friend" has decided to reply defending the M2 driver.

A few quotes

Just wanting to put this out here. This is my best friend and her partner. No I don't appreciate what's happened and the last thing I was expecting on a Sunday night was a phone call to tell me my best friend has been in a serious car crash... but everyone needs to stop with the name calling! Yes it was really really stupid what he done, but stop with the bhiness ???! The road conditions right now are near enough what it's like when there is black ice and obviously with him having a BMW and it being tail happy and going at this speed, sadly it was going to happy. My heart broke when her mum phoned me and told me this, but everyone just needs to stop with the horrible comments and just leave them be to get better!! How would any off you's like it if you's were lying in hospital badly injured with how many people on social media bhing about you, just no need.

And then

I don't exactly no what happened as when I asked her on the phone she has no memory off what happened at all.. but from my dad being a fireman and knowing the road conditions better than anyone else, I'm just stating facts also. So no need to jump down my throat about it pal ????????

Finally

And prison won't be the outcome as I know people who have done a lot worse and literally just got a slap on the back off the hand and a 6 month ban

If it had been my friend in the passengers seat I very much doubt I would be trying to defend the drivers actions.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 13th June 16:06

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Nige_GTI said:

Not seen anything as fast as this, how fast is this? How fast was he going?
Guesses so far have been anywhere from 60 to 120.

Im not defending him, but the attitude of people posting is disgusting, like you're all whiter than white.

This thread has gone,
Bloody kid, cheap finance deals kills people
Oh, rich daddy bought him his car, dad should pay for the fire services
Think of the people watching they could be killed
Jail him, what he done is worse than murder

I mean get a grip, this isnt mumsnet, everyone posting here has broken the speed limit and most of time were lucky

He will recover and learn, sounds like both drover and passenger will make it and dare i say are in a better condition than many crashes people has in their stbox novas at 60mph back in the day.

WOW.

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bobbo89 said:

I'm also not really with you on the lifetime driving ban thing. Yes, he's fked up big time by acting a dick and i've no doubt he'll pay dearly for it but to ban him for life would be a bit extreme, especially at 22!

A bit extreme? You mean like doing over 1000 mph down a narrow road full of pedestrians and other cars waiting to turn into that road, loosing control, hitting a tree and putting yourself and your passenger in hospital, which looking at the speed / situation was only not the morgue due to pure luck??


As i said, where there is a clear cut case of absolutely inappropriate driving i would call for a lifetime ban (and the same for death by dangerous driving too tbh)

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robbiekhan said:

Do you genuinely believe some episode or a dog named Max jumped out lastminute.com in front of the car?

Tsk tsk.

Of course not, however I wish he and his OH a full recovery and absolutely have sympathy for their predicament, even if in his case it was self imposed.

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BlackLabel said:

BMW are obviously doing something right when it comes to safety - the car has done pretty well considering the circumstances.

A bit of luck as well. The roof obviously was cut off as the guys GF was trapped.

But as you say compared to safety even ten years ago it is mighty impressive.

I know we all complain about the weight of the new cars compared to the past but when you see two people are able to survive this type of accident it does make sense.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 13th June 19:11

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James_B said:

Just idle curiosity. I'm intrigued by what a 22 year-old can do to get a £50k car.

The same sort of curiosity that made you ask why I want to know, really.

As mentioned by someone else this area is still very much driven by oil and wages are very high.

Yes there has been a slump but you still will get guys working for £500 to £900 a day in Aberdeen or if they are in riskier areas of the planet anything from £1200-£2000 per day.

Hence there are a large amount of workers able to purchase these cars for themselves or family members especially now with car PCP and leasing being cheaper.

Many others even younger are driving about in fast Audi's or a Porsche Boxster.

I am not saying this guy has been given this M2 as he could have funded it himself but it is not uncommon up here.

Whether it is a good idea is another matter.