Land's End to John O'Groats

Land's End to John O'Groats

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Mikeyplum

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A few of us have decided that a trip from Land’s End to John O’Groats is in order. There’ll be about 5/6 of us leaving from South Wales at the beginning of October.

The plan is not to do it in the fastest way possible, but to hit as many of the best driving roads Britain has to offer.

The Route.
Day 1 – Leaving from South Wales, we’ll head to Land’s End first thing in the morning, via the fastest route possible, meaning Motorways, Duals and A roads. Once there, we’ll take some obligatory photos with the signage and then set back off, aiming for Hope Valley in the Peak district, again, via the fastest route possible. This is about 11 hours of driving covering about 620 miles. Here we’ll pitch our tents (oo ahhh) and sink a few beers.

Day 2 – Leaving from Hope Valley, we aim to cover the Snake Pass (A57) towards Glossop and head up to Penrith via the M6 (time doesn’t allow us more of the nicer roads in the Lake District). From Penrith, we’ll take the scenic route to Haydon Bridge via the A686. Then from Haydon Bridge, we’ll head over towards Stranraer, through Ballantrae and Ayr finishing up in Fort William. That’s about 10.5 hours driving and about 490 miles. Another night in the tent, and some more beers.

Day 3 – Leaving from Fort William, the goal is to complete half of the NC500 to John O’Groats. Stops will include Strathcarron, the Applecross Path, Laide, Ullapool, Stoer, Durness and finally end in John O’Groats. This is the day I’m most looking forward to. Having rented a Caterham here back in July last year, some of these roads were simply fantastic and I was gutted I only had one day in it! So cannot wait to complete the NC500. We’ll camp again in John O’Groats, obligatory signage photos and, yup, you guessed it, a few more beers! This leg is about 11 hours driving and circa 400 miles.

Day 4 – Leaving John O’Groats, we’ll do the remaining leg of the NC500 (well, technical we’ve misses the Inverness starting point, so I’d say it’s 5/6s of the NC500 biggrin) down to inverness via Wick and Tain etc. (perhaps a sneaky stop off at Glenmorangie to pick up a tipple) and leg it down towards Llyn Brenig in North Wales as fast as possible. Virtual pint if you’ve already guessed the next destination wink. We’ll stop off at Llyn Brenig for the night and, maybe, just maybe, have a few more beers. This leg is about 10.5 hours driving and circa 550 miles.

Day 5 – Waking up at a, no doubt, beautiful Llyn Brenig, we’ll do a few laps of the Evo Triangle first thing. Then head down towards Tregaron to do the Abergwesyn Pass (B4343) towards, well, Abergwesyn. Then from there onto the Black Mountain pass ending in Upper Brynamman. Then from there, home. This final day is the shortest day and, depending on how many laps of the Evo Triangle we end up doing, should only take about 6 hours covering circa 200 miles.

Below is a rough Google Maps look at the view (not spot on for the NC500 there, but you get the idea) and a table of the destinations and mileage etc. We’re pretty flexible on the route, so if anyone has any suggestions for destinations to visit on the way, I’m all ears! ?




The Cars.
A couple of the boys are in on the “less than £150” challenge they’ve set themselves. Which will turn out interesting hehe. One of them has already made his purchase. In his own words, he was looking for something that packs a punch, but is known for reliability. So, inevitably, he ended up with a Renault Megane 1.6 16v Fidji Coupe rofl. He hasn’t yet disclosed the full amount of what he paid for it, but knowing him, it wasn’t much more than £80. So hats off there. He plans on stripping it, chucking it on some semi decent suspension and fitting it with race seats and harness. Should be interesting.



The rest of us are still yet to make our purchases. However, I’m in the market for the only car I think this trip was made for. A Mk1 MX5 (or a Eunos, to be precise) 1.6. I was going to buy one anyway, so this trip made it even more worthwhile. I’m on the lookout now, but won’t have the money until end of July, so taking the time to research and assess the market. I’ll have about a £1k budget and either looking for something partly track prepped (i.e. suspension, brakes and rollbar) or something cheap enough I can track prep it myself. Myself and another mate will be 2 ups in this (oohhh errr) for the journey as we both like beer biggrin

We’ll be staying in as cheap as possible campsites for all of the 4 nights so the only thing to do is plan which they’ll be and make the bookings.

Can’t Wait biggrin

ETA: I've posted later on, but I've decided to try and raise some money for charity whilst doing this. I've chosent he Welsh Children's Cancer Charity called LATCH. They have done some fantastic work and have helped a very close friend of mine through a very difficult time.
Just Giving Page
LATCH Website


Edited by MikeDrop on Friday 30th June 13:58

Mikeyplum

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Madscanner said:
Hmmm... smile
A good "Hmmm" or a bad "Hmmm"? wink

MikeDrop

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eein said:
A small detail, if you have time - take more minor roads in the flow country. This is the triangle between Wick, Thurso and John O Groats. The landscape up there is quite flat and barren, so you can see the tiny twisted roads for miles ahead. A great place to have a bit of fun driving without the risks of blind corner roads. The ground next to the roads is mostly flat, sometimes a small ditch, so not too big a deal if you end up off.

The rest of North Scotland you can't really go wrong anywhere. All roads are decent and amazing to go along. I've heard recently the NC500 route has got quite busy, so cutting away from that now and again is worth considering. The NC500 hasn't been chosen because it's the 'best' specific roads, it's just a marketing exercise with a couple of the classic sections included.

For a 'cool' photo of your cars lined up with a nice backdrop, a stop at Dun robin castle works well - nice large parking area at the rear of the house and a long classic driveway.

For Whisky, the best selection for a dram on your route will be the bar in Dronoch - cant remember the exact name, but it's famous enough when searching. For a distillery I recommend the Old Pulteney distillery in Wick - nice visitor's centre, less busy than the brand name places.

The North West often takes the headlines for driving trips, but personally I get a lot more actual driving enjoyment from the north east! Watch out for the infamous hairpin at Berriedale!
Some good advice there, thanks thumbup

I like the idea of the triangle between Thurso, Wick and JOG, but can't see a way to fit it into our timescale. Will have a play about with the plan.

Davie said:
552 miles in 10hrs... with a stop for some whiskey? That's going to be a miracle sir... that's an average of 52mph, more time you factor in fuel stops etc and as said John O Groats to say Perth when you pick up the dual carriageway A9 to Glasgow then the M74 south, will be a slow arsed road especially with caravans and wagons to impede progress.

So aye, allow more time I think.




Edited by Davie on Monday 19th June 13:51
Thanks Davie. I think You're right. We are only using Google as a guide but completely appreciate we may need to factor in some additional time on top. One of the thing we might do to mitigate this, is not to actually book and pay for any campsites upfront. That way, if we're flagging one day, we can just find the closest place and stop...

MikeDrop

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akirk said:
agree with others - if you can spare the time - double what you have allowed and actually enjoy the drives - otherwise I don't see the point of doing this you are going flat out to just be able to say you have done it!
This is the point wink

MikeDrop

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FiF said:
Seconded, which is why I asked about routes through Peak District, not to mention just a 100m or so from Tissington Ford you get onto one of the better driving roads through the Peaks that can be used to get to Hope Valley.

Also agree with another poster, maybe time limits things but Day 1 get to LE, day 2 to Hope Valley by anything other than fastest route.
Thanks chaps.

I guess for us, the attraction is the Scottish roads. It's not very often we'll have the chance to do a Scottish road trip, so we're trying to make the most of the time for the Scottish roads, hence trying to get to Fort William ASAP (Starting the NC500 from there is quicker than from Inverness). We've got 5 days (lot of us have work/family commitments etc.) to get to JOG and we could easily do that via M6 etc. but want to try and spice it up. Like others have said, have to get through the crap bits to make way to the good bits biggrin

In regards to Hope Valley - we've heard the Snake Pass is a good bit of road, so I literally just found the start and finish and looked for campsites around there on Google Maps. No more scientific than that hehe

Got any road names/places we should be trying to shoehorn in?

ETA: Excellent pic there Riley! thumbup

MikeDrop

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duckwhistle said:
Two things to watch, your nightly beers could put you way over the low Scottish DD limit by the next day. Watch your fuel as there are very long stretches with no petrol stations.
Thanks thumbup

That's why there'll be 2 drivers hehe

And we have a good supply of 10l Gery cans to take with us just in casebiggrin

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FiF said:
Ok firstly Snake Pass, hate it, the driving standards on there are atrocious, overtaking on blind bends is just too common. I always tried to avoid.

Appreciate your comments about Scotland being the draw, and equally understand the draw of doing LeJoG, with such short time I'd be tempted to cut out LE part and just get up there.

For the record my suggestion for anyone trying to cross Peaks from North/South or vice versa is

Looks good. I'll see if I can build that in to the plan.

Appreciate the comments about touring Europe. It's most definitely something we want to do. But this year, owing to time and budget, LEJOG it is.

Guaranteed we'll be underrwhelemed with a few parts, but I'd rather give it a go first hand biggrin

MikeDrop

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Tuesday 20th June 2017
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Thanks for the advice regards to adding more time, will fiddle with the plan to see what we can do.

WJNB said:
Nice idea so about looking for an angle that would allow you to raise money for a charity Maybe a charity linked to motoring causes or individuals who no longer can enjoy what you are all about to do. A disabled drivers association for example.
The challenge can still be fun & it would be a two fingered salute to the cynics who dismiss young drivers or those running modest but fast cars as mere selfish hooligans.
This was something I wanted to look into, for sure. Although a boring drive (as others will see it) may not warrant a donation. However, if I commit to the entire journey with the roof down on the MX5, whatever the weather, that might prick some ears? earsscratchchin

MikeDrop

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Wednesday 21st June 2017
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Deposit has been paid for my LEJOG vessel today. Pick up 20th July - watch this space driving

One of the other boys has more or less decided what he's taking too. He already owns it, but needs some engine work first:




Cosworth V6 cool

Pics of mine when I collect... thumbup

MikeDrop

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Friday 23rd June 2017
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Good effort!

And you've given away the surprise of what I'm getting wink

Pics can remain a surprise until I pick it up though...

Still playing around with routes - trying to incorporate some of the suggestions here. thumbup

Things on the list to buy for the trip:
  • Walkie Talkies
  • Ratchet straps for the beer
  • ???
  • another pair of pants
  • Extended breakdown cover rofl

MikeDrop

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Prof Prolapse said:
You won't need Jerry cans. I do these roads reasonably regularly on bikes with 100 miles range. Fuel is only an issue if you take the most remote roads, with a small tank (i.e. a motorcycle), on a Sunday. All you will need to do is fill slightly more regularly.

The only section of your route where it gets quiet is in the uppermost North-West coast. You want to fill up in Scourie, this petrol station is 24/7 (allegedly, it seems unlikely in reality, but the owner does come out to fill up).

Things become slightly more scarce if you avoid the coastal route, and drop off through the middle of the highlands towards Lairg. Even that has a filling station, and several more on your way to Inverness.

Also make sure you stop at "Dunnet's Head", contrary to popular belief, "John O'Groats" is not the most Nothern point of the UK mainland, it's just the one with a coffee shop and iconic sign.

Enjoy your trip.
That's good to know, thanks thumbup

Leaves more room for packs of Wine Gums and Pringles cool


MikeDrop

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sparkyhx said:
sounds fun.............except the camping........brrrrrrr
EFA

wink

ETA - we are also considering Hostels if they're cheap enough.

MikeDrop

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Monday 26th June 2017
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Some more progress this weekend. Some bits and bobs collected for my upcoming collection.

Also got some Walkie Talkies to collect later on in the week so we can ensure the constant flow of abuse wink

The Sierra Ute isn't looking promising. Finding a Grananda Cosworth engine is proving both difficult and expensive. Even the bottom end repair looks to be cost prohibitive for this trip. So the hunt is on for a suitable alternative. For less than £150 rofl Unless anyone knows of a Granada Cosworth V6 or a Scorpio V6 going for cheapo? biggrin

Hunt for accommodation is still on - looking at hostels and B&B's. Looking at Booking.com free cancellation the day before so we can have a hotel as a backup just in case the weather is abysmal.

Route is pretty much sorted also. I've listened to all the advice about making it shorter driving days and made the executive decision to completely ignore it hehe

There's just too may good places to go. If we change out minds whilst we're out there, there's nothing stopping us taking a more direct route there and then thumbup

MikeDrop

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Riley Blue said:
That I agree which is why we'll take a week or so (at least) and bumble about all over the place. When you're putting so much effort into the trip it seems a shame for it to flash past in a high speed blur.
Would love to spend a week, or even more, on this trip. Just doesn't work with us unfortunately frown

Will still be an epic trip though thumbup

MikeDrop

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eein said:
Indeed, the section from the Dornoch bridge all the way to Wick is very dangerous and the temptation to drive flat out, even on what appears to be a safe 'straight' should be avoided. My best time up that road was in an old mini where flat out was possible, but only because we almost never broke 60! The climb at Berriedale has us down in first gear at one point!

It's also annoying when the hairpin gets a lorry stuck (quite common) as the road is blocked and the shortest alternative is 100 miles!
Quite. It's astonishing how many leptons a Hertz Corsa SRI can do on that road whistle

Especially when you have a flight to catch...

MikeDrop

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Tuesday 27th June 2017
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With regards to speed limits, it's not going to have any impact to our attitudes driving on roads in England or Wales. We all know there are areas where "progress" can be made and, yes, we are definitely there for the scenery.

As for the drink driving, same applies. The group of us aren't quite int he market to lose our licenses, so will be sensible when it comes to drink drive limits. One of the reasons why I want to drive 2 up, so we can take turns having a tipple in the evening and alternate driving accordingly.

In other news, I've decided to try and raise a few quid for charity. My charity of choice is Latch ( http://www.latchwales.org). A Welsh Children's Cancer Charity that do some amazing work for the families of children suffering from any form of cancer. Things like research, equipment, toys, places for families to stay in the hospitals or nearby. Some really amazing work and will be doing it in the name of a very good friend. The charity have already sent me a vector of their logo so I can get a massive vinyl made up for each side of the car thumbup. It will accompany a PH Smiley, obviously...

I'll be setting up a Just Giving page soon and (as long as it's not against the rules) will post the link up here for those of you who wish to take a look.



Edited by MikeDrop on Friday 30th June 15:21

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Superchickenn said:
I think its worth mentioning Mike that we are funding this all our selves and any money raised will go to the charity we wont be offsetting any of our costs etc against the funds. smile
Good point... Any money raised will be via Just Giving and will go direct to the charity thumbup

All parts of the trip will be paid by us lot.

ETA - for those of you who haven't yet worked it out, Superchickenn (above) is the Megane owner on this trip smilehehe

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rofl

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For those of you who are interested, updated route below:

Day 1
South Wales down to Land’s End as quickly as possible. Then, from Land’s End following obligatory pics will head up to Ashbourne in the Peak District, through Longcliffe, Rowsley and Hope Valley. Then head over the Snake Pass into Glossop. We will either stay in Glossop, or cut the day short and stay somewhere in the Peak District.


Day 2
From either Hope Valley or Glossop, we’ll head up to Penrith and across to Haydon Bridge via the A686. From there, we’ll shoot up to Fort William. Time depending, we may take the long way around through Ballantrae and Ayre via the A75 and A77. If not we’ll just head straight up the A74(M) and onto the A82. Or we could go through Northumberland National Park if anyone knows any good roads there?


Day 3
Day 3 waking up in the foots of Fort Bill, the plan will be a monster drive to John O’Groats via the NC500 (or of as much of it as possible). Depending on how early we awake, and how well we’re feeling with the previous day’s long driving, we will either head north to Dumnadrochit, or peel off early at Invergarry at take the A87 up to Dornie – this will save us about an hour. Otherwise, We’ll head from Drumnadrochit to Muir of Ord, across to Achnasheen then down to Strathcarron, over the Applecross Path and up to Torridon, Ullapool, Durness and finish up at John O’Groats. Obligatory photos and beers.


Day 4
The penultimate day, waking up at the fresh and breezy John O’Groats, the plan will be to get into North Wales as fast as possible. This will bring us down the East cost of the highlands, down the A9 until we get to the boring motorways. We’ll camp up in Llyn Brenig, ready for a few laps of the Evo Triangle the following day.


Day 5
The final day (boooo). Waking up in the beautiful Llyn Brenig (although not sure how beautiful it’ll be on an October’s morn), we’ll set of for a few laps of the Evo Triangle. At this stage, we will, no doubt, all be arguing who has brought the best car. So we may want to swap and try each other’s cars before we head home. Wait. What!? It’s done before? Nooo! wink. Once we’ve killed the cars, we’ll call the AA and head home in comf… joking. We’ll then head from Llyn Brenig down to Tregaron, over to Abergwesyn and down to Upper Brynamman via the Black Mountains. Not sure what route we’ll take here, as there a few good roads to drive. Potentially going down to Aberystwyth and up the mountain road to Elan Valley. Beautiful scenery around there, and some cracking roads too. Then, once we’ve had that fun, it’ll be back home to sink into a slum of depression and the yearn to do it all over again in a week’s time smile

MikeDrop

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Wednesday 28th June 2017
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It'll be fine. If I get pulled, I'll ensure I'm wearing a low cut top and short skirt, with a bit of lippy wink