T- Charge (Toxicity Charge) - new London zone entry expense!

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Sorry if this has already been posted - couldn't find anything and it's probably relevant to a few on here.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...

Website said:

From 23 October 2017, cars, vans, minibuses, buses, coaches and heavy goods vehicles (HGVs) in central London will need to meet minimum exhaust emission standards, or pay a daily £10 Emissions Surcharge (also known as the Toxicity Charge, or T-Charge). This will be in addition to the Congestion Charge.

My Audi A8 2.8 V6 will soon cost £21 per day between 7am - 6pm to drive in the zone. My friends 1.4 TDCi Fiesta is not affected.

You can check your car here: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surchar...

They really are rolling out this stuff thick and fast - and in my opinion the little diesel should be charged the same as my relatively frugal petrol motor.

Thoughts?

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DaveH23 said:

I pay £500 a year RFL yet my car is unaffected by this new charge.

Makes total sense

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TheAngryDog said:

My 5.4 V8 Supercharges Mercedes is fine Euro 4.

sticks090460 said:

I have a 4.7l v8 and apparently

"You are not subject to the T-Charge. Your vehicle meets at least the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you are a motorised tricycle or quadricycle). You do not need to take any action."

That said, although I live in London, I try to avoid driving in it at all costs.

Right, I'm getting a V8.

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C.A.R. said:

This only affects the relatively tiny Congestion zone rather than the LEZ or ULEZ though (for now) so wouldn't affect many people I wouldn't have thought?

Driving anywhere near that area or indeed into it is a nightmare during weekday work hours anyway! Best avoided, park up and public transport the rest of the way wherever feasible.

I guarantee it'll expand in due course. Give it a year?

It's a nightmare because of how many people drive within it - so it should by default affect a lot of people. I don't make the journey from hell that often, but when I do I will now be subjected to double the charge from October, while our friends here with V8s which comply with EU regs (I thought we were leaving that all behind) fly by at £10 per day.

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99dndd said:

TFL Website said:

After 23 October 2017, you have the following options:

Walk, cycle or use public transport - visit our Journey Planner tool
Upgrade your vehicle. In this case, you'll also need to check the forthcoming tighter ULEZ standards
Pay the daily charge
Join a car club - all car club vehicles meet the emission standard.

Right, we're all forming a car club then?

You even get private parking spaces allocated just to car clubs - I'm in!

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Pica-Pica said:

I checked my 335d before I bought it, back in January, and Euro 6 is exempt from this charge. Old news really.

I think the trend is that older cars produced under different regs and not in line with Euro4+ will be charged - that said some anomalies are being discussed here.

I totally get that not many people drive in central London nor the CC zone, nor are likely to in future, but this will most certainly affect some. As for buses / taxis etc, when you see one of them make a break for it at lights or a junction I do wonder what will become of them in coming months.

I've been told there are plans to roll out hybrid / electric public transport vehicles soon; can't imagine the costs involved in replacing / upgrading fleets like that.

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TonyRPH said:

Interesting to note that my 2.5L straight 6 BMW is £10 per day - and yet my emissions can't be much better than yours surely?

This is why I'm not particularly happy with it! More confused.

Pica-Pica said:

Do you mean trams? What a novel idea! Edinburgh and Nottingham have had tram networks installed recently. When I went to Edinburgh while it was under consultation, a guide told me the taxi drivers were dead against it. You bet they were.

My brother worked on the tram network in Nottingham - apparently it's a bit of a deathtrap when you scratch the surface. Solid (if ancient) idea though, and would certainly spell doom for a lot of taxi / PCO drivers IF the network is able to roam the majority of meaningful routes.

Havoc856-S said:

My 3.5l V6 Evora isn't charged... Which begs the question - what is this for?

My gut instinct is this is a slightly subtle way of reaffirming the idea that older cars are not deemed roadworthy due to emissionsm etcetera. Start small, then build on things like this continually until the oldest cars you see about are those owned by people who can still afford to run the things, even with the extortionate fines and charges imposed.

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akirk said:

mmm - I have 2 V8s
e39 M5 - charged at £10 extra (Euro 3)
RRC LSE - apparently doesn't exist!
the 3.0 Z3 apparently doesn't exist either
the 1971 MG should be fine - but is a pile of rust in the corner of a barn so won't get as far as London anyway!


the car checker is also broken...
put in that car is built pre-2001 and apparently I have to pay - yet...

Other exemptions include: Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older) and/or commercial vehicles manufactured before 1973.

so, it is a pretty flawed system

Edited by akirk on Thursday 24th August 13:41

Can you imagine working for a business that signs off this sort of ste with seemingly no due diligence? How can .gov be remotely proud of their offerings / 'solutions' - ever?

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lucido grigio said:

My car is an import ,been here since 1999 though ,not recognised !

They got the colour of it right.

Is it Lucido Grigio by any chance?