RE: Ford teases its most powerful road car ever

RE: Ford teases its most powerful road car ever

Tuesday 16th January 2018

Ford teases its most powerful road car ever

New Mustang Shelby GT500 will go beyond 700hp when it launches next year



There's been rather a lot of go-faster Mustang talk recently - we had the reveal of the Bullitt just yesterday - but Ford saved the real peach for last; revealing an all-new Shelby GT500 in a teaser video in the final moments of the Detroit show's second press day.

Of course, when we say 'reveal' we mean it in the teaser trailer sense (the car isn't actually due until 2019, and there isn't an actual car in the video). But computer renderings or not, the salient news is hammered home with no mistake: the next Shelby will have more than 700hp, making it by some margin the most powerful street-legal model Ford has ever produced.

That's rather appealing, and even - when you think about it - rather necessary given that the Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat already outputs 707hp and the Challenger SRT Demon, 840hp. Rumours have the manfacturer supercharging its rather lovely 5.2-litre V8 to achieve the target; suggesting that 700hp is at the lower end of its expectations. It makes no bones about the car's intended destination either: the accompanying press release insisting in the headline that the GT500 will "attack tracks, drag strips in 2019".

Given the Shelby name's long and illustrious history with motorsport, that's nice to hear, too. Somewhat less pleasing is the unlikelihood of the model ever making an official on-sale appearance at a Ford dealership in the UK. The GT500 will be a limited volume prospect (probably built by a third party) making export to Europe highly improbable.

That's not an insurmountable barrier for a determined (and cash-rich) individual, of course. And there's undeniable appeal in the idea of shipping yourself a Mustang with more power at the wheels than a Ford GT. Alternatively, if the Blue Oval's direct involvement isn't a deal-breaker, you could pay a little trip to the classifieds right now, and ponder dropping £129,750 on a 2017 750hp Shelby Supersnake.

 

Author
Discussion

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
quotequote all
Pointless. The chances of ever being able to give it full throttle for long enough that it can actually put the power down and hurl you to the horizon, in the real world, are close to nil. 500bhp should surely be more than adequate in the vast majority of circumstances. Leave the drag-strip tuning to the aftermarket.

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Tuesday 16th January 2018
quotequote all
And my 282bhp furniture-hauler is a similar story, from normal road speeds at low RPM, 6 seconds of full throttle will land me in license loss territory unless I'm going up my local very steep hill... and that's a near-2-ton car. Imagine how much more fun the Ford could be if it was made as light as possible, kept naturally-aspirated, and had a small-block V8 displacing no more than about 4 litres? Get the gearing low enough and you'll still be able to have all the smoky shenanigans and be able to use full throttle rather more... and, let's face it, how many drivers are capable of handling a 700bhp RWD car safely? Frankly, I wouldn't trust the majority of Mustang owners (if YouTube is anything to go by) with my 540i, never mind something with 2.5x the power...

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
quotequote all
Where are you going to use 700bhp though? Not at the Nürburgring, that's for sure. You're going to struggle for traction, courage and talent, unless you're a professional test/racing driver. On your average race track, with a 1km main straight, you're not going to be much further ahead than the 500bhp car come the next corner, and in the tighter sections, the 500bhp car is going to be quicker than you. Take it drag racing? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that I read somewhere that you're required to have a full roll cage, fire suppression, race seats, HANS etc at that level.

Track day toy? You'll get black-flagged for drifting if you try it, and your traction issues mean that the guy in the 911 GT3 is going to be much, much quicker than you. If you try using the power to overtake anywhere other than the straights, black flag again - so most of the time you'll be using no more than half throttle to avoid tripping over a Clio 197 (that's if you're not sitting there bonfiring your tyres or oversteering wildly as you try to accelerate out of the corner).

As a road car? Well, maybe in Germany... otherwise, it's just a one-way ticket to license loss. Even in the wilds of Australia or the Nevada desert, police speed traps are increasingly common.

The original Mustang was 183mm narrower, 81mm lower, 175mm shorter overall and 23mm longer in wheelbase. Smaller, lower, with shorter overhangs and more of its weight within the wheelbase. Oh, and it was about half a ton lighter. In terms of width, it's 3mm narrower than a current MX-5 (although the Mazda is a lot shorter). Now, imagine a long-wheelbase 2+2 MX-5, think RX-8, but with the classic Ford styling and a V8... a sub-1400kg kerb weight should be doable even with the V8...

As for the engine, a 4.3 or 4.7 litre (260/289ci) displacement would carry historical resonance... if the old 260/289's short stroke of 72.9mm were to be retained, a redline of 10,500rpm could be doable with modern materials, optimised heads, valvetrain etc, running about the same piston speed as the modern Voodoo motor...

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
quotequote all
With a scamera-enforced 40mph limit? Yeah right!

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
quotequote all
What the heck IS the point of violent acceleration over 100mph? I used to be able to get up to 115mph pretty regularly in cars that were pretty much maxxed out at that, but now I've got a 155mph+ car, trying to find ANYWHERE to do more than 70 without getting nicked is harder than ever.

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 24th January 2018
quotequote all
lord trumpton said:
Oh well best get your pyjamas on and have a glass of warm milk then rolleyes
It's not that I'm becoming a boring old fart - it's simply that it's becoming harder to find anywhere to fully extend a 282bhp V8, never mind one with over double that amount of power...

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 26th January 2018
quotequote all
A DB7 V12 GT would do 0-130 in 4th gear on 435bhp and 410 ft/lb... what's this going to be like with 700+ bhp and probably north of 750 ft/lb? You're going to want to start in 6th gear to manage the traction!

If you want a car for the drag strip, just buy a tube-frame special with four-figure horsepower and all the safety gear required at this level, not a road car that's been compromised for both road and strip.

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Monday 29th January 2018
quotequote all
skyrover said:
Clearly you have never been to Northumberland.
You'd be incorrect, albeit it's been a few years. My best man lives in Morpeth. I understand the old A1, where I once maxxed out my P6 (125mph indicated), is now covered in cameras.