Diesel hate? ..wtf?

[steveL98]

Why all the sudden hate for diesels?

People have short memories, weren't we recently encourage to buy them as they were quieter, cleaner and more economical?

Remember this advert?

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_yl...

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But it was quite true, the new diesels from then were/are smooth, quiet and flexible like a petrol motor... I have an 169k mile 03 Octavia and its just delightful. The hotter it gets the better it runs.

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Why not?

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Not being sarcastic, but I don't think the VW thing was really as bad as it was made out to be.

At the time of that advert, diesels were becoming better that they were, but people have short memories.

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caelite said:

The issue with diesel is that more recent studies exposed that the nature of diesel emissions where worse than we thought previously, add on to that some sensationalist headline grabbing figures of dubious quality and public and political opinion was swayed placing them out of favour.

I can appreciate that, but isn't it the case that the latest news is 'always the most correct' and believed (if the above comments are anything to go by?). Won't there be a new syudy later to say that diesels, especially modern ones are in fact the cleanest and best?

Just because the taxes are higher doesn't mean that diesels are bad.. That was my original point.

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spookly said:

I'm not a fan of diesels. Not the noise, and especially not the clouds of soot. I was following a 2006 Audi A6 yesterday and every time he put his foot down there were clouds of black soot coming from his exhaust.

I have had a few diesels, but would almost always prefer the petrol model. When I had an E220 cdi on lease it was only because they couldn't find an E200 cgi petrol anywhere in the UK at the time.

I was a petrol fan always until I borrowed an Octavia tdi. The torque, smoothness, flexibility in slow traffic, excellent drive on twisty roads and 65mpg, made me a believer in the diesel for a commuter and tourer. As a motorist, what's not to like?

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HustleRussell said:

If you are concerned about the level of plant food emissions, and are willing to ignore all of the other noxious st that diesels spew out, diesels compare well against petrols.

That wasn't the case 10 years ago, so why is it today? Are we smarter now and in another ten years will this be reversed again to suit the politics?

Its probably academic, as we'll all be in electric vehicles then apart from the lucky few with 'Historics'. Some of us are not convinced by the VW hype..

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unpc said:

steveL98 said:

Not being sarcastic, but I don't thin
k the VW thing was really as bad as it was made out to be.

Err I think VW might have a different view on that now.

Err only because of people believing the eco hype and they want to keep us sweet for sales.

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eybic said:

steveL98 said:

....... As a motorist, what's not to like?

All the st that comes out of the exhaust for starters.

All cars have emissions of one type or another, its what they do.. Old petrol motors can smoke as bad as old diesels.

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heebeegeetee said:

we're not petrol heads.

I thought this was Pistonheads I was on? No?

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eybic said:

steveL98 said:

All cars have emissions of one type or another, its what they do.. Old petrol motors can smoke as bad as old diesels.

They do but Diesel is particularly harmful.

Is it? It wasn't ten years ago, so why is it now, or do you just always believe what your told without question just because its a 'modern' view?

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Drive Blind said:

steveL98 said:

I was a petrol fan always until I borrowed an Octavia tdi. The torque, smoothness, flexibility in slow traffic, excellent drive on twisty roads and 65mpg, made me a believer in the diesel for a commuter and tourer. As a motorist, what's not to like?

you must have experienced some pretty crappy petrol engines to describe the VW group PD diesel as smooth and flexible

that's the first 2 things i would say it is not.

Mine is a CR not a PD and its very smooth and quiet on the motorway, (helped along probably by decent oil I suspect )

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Sheepshanks said:

eybic said:

steveL98 said:

All cars have emissions of one type or another, its what they do.. Old petrol motors can smoke as bad as old diesels.

They do but Diesel is particularly harmful.

So are wood burning fires.

..and cow farts apparently!

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EdJ said:

steveL98 said:

I was a petrol fan always until I borrowed an Octavia tdi. The torque, smoothness, flexibility in slow traffic, excellent drive on twisty roads and 65mpg, made me a believer in the diesel for a commuter and tourer. As a motorist, what's not to like?

You sounds like Alan Partridge in his "Knowing Me Knowing Yule" Christmas special, when he starts talking about how good the Rover 800 is.

A what? who? ..that says more about you than it does about me, my friend..

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Anyway, I'm still a big fan of modern diesels for general commuting and long trips, and I love the fact that every time I rev my Octavia a bit, some environmentalist somewhere gets a headache and he's no idea why, ...but I didn't expect to find them here on Pistonheads!

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Drive Blind said:

steveL98 said:

Drive Blind said:

steveL98 said:

I was a petrol fan always until I borrowed an Octavia tdi. The torque, smoothness, flexibility in slow traffic, excellent drive on twisty roads and 65mpg, made me a believer in the diesel for a commuter and tourer. As a motorist, what's not to like?

you must have experienced some pretty crappy petrol engines to describe the VW group PD diesel as smooth and flexible

that's the first 2 things i would say it is not.

Mine is a CR not a PD and its very smooth and quiet on the motorway, (helped along probably by decent oil I suspect )

sorry i must have misread your earlier post - thought it was a 2003 Octavia

PD's on some Octavias from 2000. Mine is a 2003 Elegance model with a CR 90 motor usuall just called a SOHC..

1.9 8v TDI 1,896 cc (115.7 cu in) 4 cyl SOHC 90 PS (66 kW; 89 hp) at 4000 rpm 210 N⋅m (150 lb⋅ft) at 1900 rpm AGR/ALH 1996–2005

Edited by steveL98 on Thursday 26th April 13:47

[steveL98]

As above, some Octavia motors were SOHC PD's from 2000, and all from 2005. From 2000 to 2005 there was a mixture, mine is a CR.

Check my edited post above..

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Triumph Man said:

At that age your Octavia will either be PD (doesn't sound like it though if its 90bhp) or the old VE pump, which is engine driven. It won't be common rail.

1.9 8v TDI 1,896 cc (115.7 cu in) 4 cyl SOHC 90 PS (66 kW; 89 hp) at 4000 rpm 210 N?m (150 lb?ft) at 1900 rpm AGR/ALH 1996–2005

Ok, so these are images of what mine looks like.. What is it then?

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Mr2Mike said:

steveL98 said:

I was a petrol fan always until I borrowed an Octavia tdi. The torque, smoothness, flexibility in slow traffic, excellent drive on twisty roads and 65mpg, made me a believer in the diesel for a commuter and tourer. As a motorist, what's not to like?

The harshness, the noise, the smoke (from the pre-DPF engines at least), the all or nothing power delivery, the disgusting filler nozzles that mean you have to wear gloves to refuel. Probably a few more as well.

I can only speak for the 1.9tdi Skodas dieselwise. (We also run a Corvette and an Chevy S10 petrol truck)

Mine is a Octavia and my daughters is a Fabia. both 2003 and subject to commuting here in SW Scotland and regular trips to Bognor Regis. There's no harshness, no undue noise, smooth and flexible power delivery (both are great overtakers on B roads). Never had a problem filling one. My Octavia at the speed limits (A713, A75, M6, M42, M40, A34, A27 etc.), will use 3/4 of a tank (£60) from Ayrshire to Bognor and is used for regular camping trips.

I understand the 'all or nothing' comment as its the way diesels were 20 odd years ago when I borrowed a Citroen BX and was put off diesels for years, but that's not the case these days. As for smoke, I wish it did smoke a bit and spew some carbon as my turbo is getting a bit carboned up and occasionally going into 'limp home' mode (easy fixed by turning off and on). Ive tried additives and flooring it for mile in low gears, but only the long motorway trips seem to sort that out.

Twice when she got the Fabia, daughter tanked up with unleaded, and after filling to the neck with more diesel, we ran the car for miles and kept it topped up until it was back to diesel again, never to suffer.

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Exige77 said:

RobDickinson said:

Exige77 said:

Where’s all the electrickery going to come from for all these EV’s ? Sure we can make the Cars/trucks/buses, even the dumper trucks, but how to power them ? It’s not a quick fix

The national grid dont seem worried.

Yes, they are planning for significant volume of EV’s by 2035. So not exactly soon.

I think that will happen much quicker. China and India are banning sales of IC motors from 2025. I think we'll start to see imports from both countries flooding here soon, and no doubt restrictions and MOT checks on IC vehicles will only increase year on year to encourage us out of them. I see Nissan in the NE is laying off staff due to low demand, but that'll change once they gear up for EV's.

If you want to keep driving an IC vehicle, better get one now with a historic ticket before the demand and prices go through the roof. I forsee a future govt enforced scrappage scheme for current vehicles, possibly after they're ten years old..

The times they are a-changing.