IOM TT 2018 Car Lap record run?
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Fastest sectors “the perfect lap” 16:48.656@134.662mph
Outright lap record 16:53.929 @133.962mph(2016)
TT superbike lap record 16:58.254@133.393mph(2016)
Higgins Subaru lap record 17:35@128.73mph (2016)
Supersport lap record 17:35.659@128.666mph(2013)
TT Zero Lao record 18:58.743@119..279mph(2015)
Higgins first attempt 19:15.88 c118mph(2014)
So he needs to find 41.2 seconds over the 37.73mile lap or 1.0919second each and every mile.
Using that same car I cannot see him taking that much time away as to me the video looked right on it and no evident mistakes. He was very committed - IMHO. So he probably get the best possible out of that specific car.
The Subaru WRX STI developed 600bhp slick tyres and drag reduction system.
I doubt the M3 would get close to the time set by Mark. To be frank I think to beat that time you’d need another race prepared car - no road going car would get close IMHO. Fun trying though.
Outright lap record 16:53.929 @133.962mph(2016)
TT superbike lap record 16:58.254@133.393mph(2016)
Higgins Subaru lap record 17:35@128.73mph (2016)
Supersport lap record 17:35.659@128.666mph(2013)
TT Zero Lao record 18:58.743@119..279mph(2015)
Higgins first attempt 19:15.88 c118mph(2014)
So he needs to find 41.2 seconds over the 37.73mile lap or 1.0919second each and every mile.
Using that same car I cannot see him taking that much time away as to me the video looked right on it and no evident mistakes. He was very committed - IMHO. So he probably get the best possible out of that specific car.
The Subaru WRX STI developed 600bhp slick tyres and drag reduction system.
I doubt the M3 would get close to the time set by Mark. To be frank I think to beat that time you’d need another race prepared car - no road going car would get close IMHO. Fun trying though.
Nanook said:
Welshbeef said:
Just seen the news sadly Dan Kneen killed in a TT crash during the qualifying of the superbike.
He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Michael Dunlop was doing 133s in 2016.He had set the fastest lap ever of the course on Tuesday at 132.258mph
Do you just make things up as you go along?
Sorry don’t get uppity especially on the death of someone. I simply read this link.
PorkInsider said:
Why didn’t you just continue the bore-fest thread from last year where you tried to goad bikers into arguments about cars v bikes on the TT circuit?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
I’d say they do elsehttps://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No one cares about a car lapping the TT course.
It’s an event for bikes, for bikers and fans to enjoy.
Tony Pond would never have done it
Higgins and Subaru wouldn’t have attempted it on two different TT years
Also from the posts each year on Pistonheads be it purely for interest or from an engineering perspective.
It’s never a bike v car question really - only 5th gear ever did that race some Yamaha vs a 135i and then a E60 M5 v an R1(??) round thruxton oh and Top Gear one Xmas video did it a bike v a 911.
robinh73 said:
I appreciate that the run on roads with far from perfect surfaces, but (and I am no hill climb expert) I don't believe that they achieve the same sustained top speeds over such surfaces as is found on the Isle of Man. On the superbikes, 190mph+ is where you need to be for race winning pace down Sulby Straight.
That Subaru sustained top speeds over 170mph on the straights and the road didn’t break up/ destroy the vehicle. 
king hell, more cars Vs bikes excitement on Pistonheads! Nanook said:
Welshbeef said:
Nope what can a car do on a road circuit.
Another one will soon be how much of a step on will the Zero TT EV class improve this year? Could be a massive step forward from 119mph.
Has there been some step up in the performance/technology of these bikes?Another one will soon be how much of a step on will the Zero TT EV class improve this year? Could be a massive step forward from 119mph.
Or is this just more random speculation from you to try and keep this relevant?
Maybe you are but you come across as glass literally empty - get it topped up ready for the races & hopefully not all the results will be a forgone conclusion.
I’m wagering on a 134+mph outright lap this year and that EV Zero TT breaks the 120mph
CypSIdders said:
And how much faster do you think the Superbikes would be going if they were afforded the same concessions as the car is given?
That would be, new slicks, non standard fuel, no pesky class rules or regulations to fall foul of at scrutineering, a lovely flying start from Governors and absolutely nothing else on the course.
You do realise that the bike records are nearly all set from a standing start, all of them under race conditions.
In any race around the TT course the only opportunity to get in a flying lap is on the final lap.
I'd be very interested to know how many fuel and tyre stops the car would have to make over a six lapper.
I'd also be very interested to know how much slower it would be having to deal 60+ other vehicles on the course, at the same time, in the said six lapper.
Has a bike ever been given a no rules, money no object, flying start on empty closed roads, to try and set an out right course record?
Or, are these just really awkward questions you'd rather not answer, having ignored them for the last two years, when they were asked?
Sorry I didn’t realise the rules for a IOM TTwere only applicable from standing starts - if they do actually record the fastest lap on their last lap is that not recorded as the fastest lap/purely for note? That would be, new slicks, non standard fuel, no pesky class rules or regulations to fall foul of at scrutineering, a lovely flying start from Governors and absolutely nothing else on the course.
You do realise that the bike records are nearly all set from a standing start, all of them under race conditions.
In any race around the TT course the only opportunity to get in a flying lap is on the final lap.
I'd be very interested to know how many fuel and tyre stops the car would have to make over a six lapper.
I'd also be very interested to know how much slower it would be having to deal 60+ other vehicles on the course, at the same time, in the said six lapper.
Has a bike ever been given a no rules, money no object, flying start on empty closed roads, to try and set an out right course record?
Or, are these just really awkward questions you'd rather not answer, having ignored them for the last two years, when they were asked?
Fastest laps in any other racing are achieved during the race but the outright record can be achieved during qualifying. But fastest laps which would be logged in the g Book of record would simply be that the fastest time set period
Car can have bigger fuel tank so the 6 lap point is easily done.
Tyres durability is say you have to look at what they can do in Le Mans endurance racing.
The car isn’t racing in any TT race or class it’s simply some fun - I’m not sure of he regulations for making different bikes to superbikes or super sport but they are defined classes for racing. However Zero TT a new category has been created recently so a better category than the top spec bikes currently allowed is certainly possible but no doubt would be expensive - interesting none the less
Red 4 said:
You're not listening.
Bike - small.
Car - not small.
IOM circuit - narrow.
I take it you've never been to Fraggle Rock ?
In which case why is it faster than a superstock? Are they wide and not able to handle a bumpy circuit or have a slower top speed??Bike - small.
Car - not small.
IOM circuit - narrow.
I take it you've never been to Fraggle Rock ?
Why bring up car v bike. I’m interested in the next run when is it etc.
Remember Higgins first timed run in 2016 he had IIRC a 124mph lap which was amazing but then everyone thought that’s such a long way off the bikes the bikers are spot on about narrow etc but then run 2 he did 128.8mph wowzers that’s a massive step on with the exact same car.
He did state in the video he had a bad section 3 his worst so there is naturally more speed to come out of that car doing nothing but more practice. Maybe it’s a genuine 130mph average speed car who knows.
rigga said:
Welshbeef said:
Remember Higgins first timed run in 2016 he had IIRC a 124mph lap which was amazing but then everyone thought that’s such a long way off the bikes the bikers are spot on about narrow etc but then run 2 he did 128.8mph wowzers that’s a massive step on with the exact same car.
Wasn't the exact same car, and you know that, totally different set up suspension, much more power and active aero .....Higgins has used 2 yes two different cars 1 in 2014 when he did 117-118mph time then he went again in 2016.
As clearly stated in the above I said on his FIRST run in 2016 he managed 124mph and then with the exact same car did 128.8mph ie both being the 2016 car. FFS.
FFS s
CypSIdders said:
The TT zero bikes are relatively slow, their "race" is one lap, the batteries aren't up to the task, the riders say they have to manage the battery life, they can't just pin the throttle, if they did the battery would die and they wouldn't even manage one lap!
At the end of the day, I'd imagine you could get a car around faster, if you threw enough money at it.
It's highly unlikely it could do it under the same conditions as the bikes do it, with sixty other cars out on the course at the same time.
A bike has never been given the concessions the car has, so we're not comparing like with like!
The TT Zero is quicker/faster lap time thanAt the end of the day, I'd imagine you could get a car around faster, if you threw enough money at it.
It's highly unlikely it could do it under the same conditions as the bikes do it, with sixty other cars out on the course at the same time.
A bike has never been given the concessions the car has, so we're not comparing like with like!
Sidecar TT
125cc
250cc
And about 15 seconds off beating the super Twin (lightweight TT).
Don’t all the F1 teams have full simulators of all tracks and the F1 drivers practice in them.
Would be interesting to see the genuine lap times v the simulator. Then you have a tolerance to apply to the equivalent IOM simulator.
Clearly how you gauge the fact of you can die/kill spectators in the real world is very difficult to scale back the time.
Would be interesting to see the genuine lap times v the simulator. Then you have a tolerance to apply to the equivalent IOM simulator.
Clearly how you gauge the fact of you can die/kill spectators in the real world is very difficult to scale back the time.
CO2000 said:
The vid I posted earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kufacVXlSc
makes the TT track looks quite wide, do you think any bike would beat 35 secs up there? (even taking away the standing start which would suit the car)
Some very narrow bits there - however there are parts that (in theory) id say a lot more time could be found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kufacVXlSc
makes the TT track looks quite wide, do you think any bike would beat 35 secs up there? (even taking away the standing start which would suit the car)
Crazy speeds though no margin for error or bye bye
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