mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
techguyone said:
People need to realise that there are two massive changes happening within the car/personal transport industry.
First is electrification - Full EV
Second is fully autonomous - this one is the biggie.
All these things like auto lights, adaptive cruise, speed limiters etc are not for your benefit, but purely as the inexorable march towards full self autonomy.
Once we get to that point (which will likely be sooner rather than later) people very likely won't need to own a vehicle at all, given that the vast majority of non commercial vehicles are actually sat on your drive or in a car park. you'd call up a 'pod' on your phone it'll turn up from a pool of local vehicles and take you where you want, you'd likely pay a monthly service charge for this, plus per mile usage, variable rates dependant on size an class of 'car'.
I know, I'm a heretic...
Thing is for 99% of the population, this arrangement would work out ok, provided that there were enough local cars available fr use without a lengthy wait.
Some lucky company would hoover up the maintenance contract and make mega bucks, ensuring all the cars in each population centre were serviced/cleaned and kept charged for use. A nice side effect of this vision would be the end of endless cars littering the sides of the road and verges.
The negative side, huge. Would be the ending of thousands of professions, car showrooms/sellers, gone. Performance companies - gone. Garage staff/mechanics the same, I could go on, but you get the general gist.
Great cost savings on wages etc, not so good for the people in those industries.
I may be wrong, but I can see this as a medium term future, be grateful we lived in a time when we could go out and drive our cars, these days are drawing to a close, I'd wager that our children's children will have no need for a driving licence.
I'm sort of with you in the thinking bit - I suspect that most people would be more than happy with this arrangement. HOWEVER, the devil, as you say, is in the detail....First is electrification - Full EV
Second is fully autonomous - this one is the biggie.
All these things like auto lights, adaptive cruise, speed limiters etc are not for your benefit, but purely as the inexorable march towards full self autonomy.
Once we get to that point (which will likely be sooner rather than later) people very likely won't need to own a vehicle at all, given that the vast majority of non commercial vehicles are actually sat on your drive or in a car park. you'd call up a 'pod' on your phone it'll turn up from a pool of local vehicles and take you where you want, you'd likely pay a monthly service charge for this, plus per mile usage, variable rates dependant on size an class of 'car'.
I know, I'm a heretic...
Thing is for 99% of the population, this arrangement would work out ok, provided that there were enough local cars available fr use without a lengthy wait.
Some lucky company would hoover up the maintenance contract and make mega bucks, ensuring all the cars in each population centre were serviced/cleaned and kept charged for use. A nice side effect of this vision would be the end of endless cars littering the sides of the road and verges.
The negative side, huge. Would be the ending of thousands of professions, car showrooms/sellers, gone. Performance companies - gone. Garage staff/mechanics the same, I could go on, but you get the general gist.
Great cost savings on wages etc, not so good for the people in those industries.
I may be wrong, but I can see this as a medium term future, be grateful we lived in a time when we could go out and drive our cars, these days are drawing to a close, I'd wager that our children's children will have no need for a driving licence.
- Don't shoot the messenger **
...provided that there were enough local cars available fr use without a lengthy wait...
this would, I suspect be the proverbial fly in the ointment. A personal transportation device (let's call it car) is there waiting for you 24/7; just want to pop over to see your parents? Car, no wait. Emergency? Car, no wait. Spur of the moment trip to YYZ? No rush, the car is waiting for your trip. Moving pictures (rubbish/whatever)? Car, no wait.....
fatboy18 said:
xjay1337 said:
fatboy18 said:
Im sure the Snowflakes will welcome this, Personally For me it means I wont bother buying a new car again, but I'm sure that's exactly what they want. its all about getting people to use something else other than a car.
Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
What road car do you have?Might take a horse and cart up the M25, that could be a laugh.
I can't even take my road car on a race track because they say its too loud, yet I can get a MOT each year
this country is a lost cause.
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 28th March 23:36
Signed the thing anyway.
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NMNeil said:
Could be the thin edge of the wedge.
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/cars/judge-cal...
A very sad case but I'm not sure that restrictions on speed would've prevented much here. So they'll then see how quick they can get to 70 and how long they can maintain 70 through twisty bitshttps://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/cars/judge-cal...
NMNeil said:
And nobody buys a 200 mph to go to the supermarket, they bought it so they could break the laws in the UK.
What absolute and total b
ks, you need to give your head a shake make and lay off the funny cigs and/or booze. There's some ste spouted on forums but that statement is up with themEdited by irocfan on Tuesday 13th April 18:32
ReverendCounter said:
NMNeil said:
If banning the ownership of a 200 mph car or bike saves the life of just one child, it's worth it.
Adopting your logic, what if the one child who goes unkilled becomes a serial killer?Skellum said:
I wonder how NMN would react if we said we'd take his guns away so as to save a single life?
Any chance you could share what you mean?
I could be doing NMN a grave disservice here but IIRC he has been quite pro 2nd amendment, is ex-LEO (not that the 2 necessarily go hand in hand)Any chance you could share what you mean?
dcb said:
If you didn't check your facts, why bother posting obviously false material ?
I have personal experience that the A1, A3, A5, A6, A7 and A8 are almost completely unlimited.
To quote wikipedia on the subject:
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German autobahns are famous for having no universal motorway speed limit, although about 30% of them do have some kind of temporary or permanent limit.
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For the limited bits, 130 kmh is a popular limit and they don't really bother enforcing it until somewhere above 160 kmh.
glad you said it - there are a number of roads I've driven (relatively) recently which were limitless and those that weren't were at 130....I have personal experience that the A1, A3, A5, A6, A7 and A8 are almost completely unlimited.
To quote wikipedia on the subject:
[i]
German autobahns are famous for having no universal motorway speed limit, although about 30% of them do have some kind of temporary or permanent limit.
[/i]
For the limited bits, 130 kmh is a popular limit and they don't really bother enforcing it until somewhere above 160 kmh.
RSTurboPaul said:
A500leroy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
A500leroy said:
Dont see the issue, we are just returning to the 60s/70s when cars had a top speed of around 75 and even 'hot' stuff like the capri or the mgb would only just crack the ton.
Limiting stuff to 70 is just returning to the past and folks still had plenty of fun back in the golden age of the car. And lets be honest wouldnt it be better if you cant break a 30mph speed limit anyway,and think of how many licences it would save.
That presumes that the limits are set correctly and not on the whims of local politicians who want to be seen to be 'doing something' - even if all the evidence points to an 85th percentile of 40mph (or even higher) 30mph is installed 'because safer'.Limiting stuff to 70 is just returning to the past and folks still had plenty of fun back in the golden age of the car. And lets be honest wouldnt it be better if you cant break a 30mph speed limit anyway,and think of how many licences it would save.
Are you going to volunteer your licence?
liner33 said:
My mate has a 112mph limiter on his Skyline and hasnt bothered removing it, to be fair I have a warning on my cars set at 100mph but would like to be able to remove the limiter on a trackday
A trackday? TRACKDAY!!!! Won't you please think of the polar bears you Beast!NMNeil said:
Therein lies the problem; speed limits are being ignored.
What's the phrase usually beloved by politicians? (Paraphrasing here) "...if a law is ignored by a large percentage of people it's a poor law which should reviewed..." except, it seems, where cars are concerned
Projectblue51 said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
I can't decide if you are just here to yank everyone's chain because that's how you get your thrills, or you believe that massive broad brush you just incorrectly painted so many people with.NMNeil said:
Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
poor choice of words given the second article....https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
bigothunter said:
Problem solved when overtaking on single-carriageway roads is banned.
<shudder> I can sadly see that happening. My daughter was (apparently!!) told by her instructer 10 years ago that over-taking on single carriage-ways was dangerous and shouldn't be done 
I can't imagine that this will have changed any over the intervening time
bigothunter said:
Even the 850 Mini managed 72mph. I'm amazed how slow some PH drivers travel. Apparently motorway speeds of 60mph or even 50mph are acceptable 
I do believe that there should be a minimum speed on the motorway too - cars should do at least 60 (where possible). If you're not confident enough to drive at that speed you've got no business being on a motorwayDingu said:
DodgyGeezer said:
bigothunter said:
Even the 850 Mini managed 72mph. I'm amazed how slow some PH drivers travel. Apparently motorway speeds of 60mph or even 50mph are acceptable
I do believe that there should be a minimum speed on the motorway too - cars should do at least 60 (where possible). If you're not confident enough to drive at that speed you've got no business being on a motorwayAnd if it doesn’t apply in those conditions how are you deciding where the cut off lies?
Mind you you'll next be telling us that the speed-limit should be no faster than a child can cycle... anything more is sheer lunacy
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