MP`s want a ban on cars parking on pavements.
Discussion
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
bobtail4x4 said:
park in a carpark somewhere?
That is partly the point. If the councils want to avoid people parking on the roads they should insist on properly sized visitor parking areas accessible to the houses being visited being made available as being an integral part of an estates design. However many do not, and if anything seem to want to make parking (even for the actual residents of an estate difficult or not even available because polar bears.. they can hardly be surprised if they do this and then discover that people are having to park partially on the pavement.On many estates the pavements are totally deserted for 95% of the time, (there could be a parking time zone so that when the pavements are most likely to be used by pedestrians e.g getting kids to school cars should be kept off them. Alternatively studies to determine the actual use levels of both the roads and pavements could be carried out to determine what ratio of road width to pavement width offers the most efficient use of the available space .In some areas this may result in wider pavements and narrower carriageways, whilst in others the reverse might be true.
No matter what is done making such changes is likely to be very expensive in an overcrowded UK.
It is no good saying there are too many cars, when the real root of the problem is that there are too many people trying to live in too small a space. In this case there always will be such problems.
Pothole said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
swisstoni said:
Pothole said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
But they mentioned that some old folks and disabled people have been effectively imprisoned by bad parking in some areas.
So it’s not for nothing.
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