SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

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Pretty Damning evidence that SSC faked the recent 330mph top speed run!

Follow the below link and you'll see the SSC versus the much slower Agera RS, both used the same road. Some guy has noticed that between the same 2 points the Agera arrives at the next intersection way ahead of the SSC despite apparently travelling much much slower. Very suspect.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m12s&v=PLoFKcH7...

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notslopes said:

Well that's cobblers, the two cars are going in opposite directions, the Koenigsegg has hills in it's window aperture, the SSC doesn't and if you look at the road, the SSC is going downhill whereas the Koenigsegg is clearly going uphill.

Nope, look at these cacti on the roadside at the start of the compared segment, they are EXACTLY the same. It's clearly the same segment of road.

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Sway said:

The two horizons look very different...

Because the top one in the SSC is overexposed and filmed on a potato. The branches on the Cacti are identical, do you know the mathematical improbability of that happening in 2 seperate plants? Plus the sign in the centre of the road.

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The Spruce Goose said:

wasn't there three runs the first was slow the third was a lot faster. So this video evidence is pointless.

This is the official video they released from the top speed run, it literally says 330mph top left?

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charltjr said:

How are they supposed to have fooled the certified GPS tracker and fooled the on-site witnesses?

Per the regulations:

In order to qualify for a record title, the car must be a production vehicle identical to the same vehicle a customer might purchase. It must drive the same route in opposite directions on a public road,and the two speeds are then averaged. It must be tracked by a certified GPS measurement system, with two worldrecord-sanctioned witnesses on site for verification. Finally, it must complete the run on street tires,using non-race fuel.

The Guinness Book of World Records have clarified that they were not involved with this run by SSC in any way, they don't recognise it. Also I saw elsewhere that the GPS tracker they used can measure speeds to hundredths but theyve posted their speed logs to the thousandths of a second. This gets more and more suspect.

Edited by -Z- on Saturday 24th October 23:51

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The Spruce Goose said:

official video didn't have the telemetry superimposed on it like your link.

It's pulled directly from the 'exclusive' TG video below, just the speed has been chopped out and overlayed onto the PoV footage so it fits on screen. Go to 1.12 in the TG vid and you'll see the SSC pass the same Cacti at the same speed as the comparison clip.

https://youtu.be/N22JfNHiC1k

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notslopes said:

I'm surprised that SSC can even do 150mph based on your suggestions, look how much higher off the ground it is compared to the Koenigsegg. You can clearly see the tree/cactus in the top pic, yet the bottom pic it is at a totally different elevation.

Those SSC engineers are darned clever being able to fake a Racelogic box eh? And to do it in a 4x4 too, unreal.

Racelogic box? Where? Show me in the below pic please

Not sure what you mean about different Cacti heights? Cameras are at different heights and angles, go a bit further back and you can see actually 3 different Cacti confirming its the same road. I'm really not too sure what you are disputing tbh.

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notslopes said:

You're right, it's clearly a conspiracy maaan.

Orrrrrr its a desperate attempt at publicity by a tiny company with a car stuck in development hell for a decade running out of money.....

Anyhoo people cleverer than me have been doing their own analysis and found the SSC to be doing only 240mph. This is based on you know, maths and stuff, rather than shouting 'it had (invisible) a Racelogic box so it must be real!'

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charltjr said:

That’s just standard text they send out to clarify their position. The way it works is that you submit your evidence and they then validate it and if happy they confirm you’ve taken the record.

https://guinnessworldrecords.com/records/how-to-co...

ETA: it takes a minimum of ten working days for the record to be validated, and that’s assuming they’ve paid Guinness the fees for priority application and there’s no back-and-forth questions about the evidence

Edited by charltjr on Sunday 25th October 07:28

True, however, I was clarifying because most of the media reporting stated that Guinness were on site directly observing, which is incorrect.

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More evidence of shadyness, they've applied a blur to the speedo but you can see that the number starts with a 2XXmph rather than the supposed 316mph at that time. Amusingly if you watch the SSC TG vid towards the end your can see the blur goes away momentarily when the drivers hand passes in front, again the speeds don't match.
https://youtu.be/N22JfNHiC1k

Edited by -Z- on Sunday 25th October 08:35

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Andeh1 said:

That's just haze, like fog reducing a viewing distance. Pretty sure you can make out silhouettes in the distance showing something is there...

I'm curious to hear more!

I wonder if any of the big YT channels pick it up, SSC need to explain the discrepancies, fast.

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harrylee1 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

for me it looks like the wrong video uploaded, there were 3 runs after all.

This is the logical explanation.

If we give SSC the benefit of the doubt, they just uploaded the wrong run. Also it would explain why the car seemed to have a lot more in the tank. In the video, it looks like it could've gone to 350mph!

In the video, it's definitely not doing the numbers the telemetry shows.

The whole thing seems petty, but this is a world record we're talking about and in this day, people will believe anything social media tells them.

People saying they've uploaded the wrong video... watch the official vid from when the car moves off and you see the speed climb exactly coinciding with Oli Webbs gear changes at the start of the vid, this wouldn't match if it was a simple 'wrong video file' uploaded. The whole thing stinks.

https://youtu.be/N22JfNHiC1k

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harrylee1 said:

The 'fake' footage is starting to blow up on the internet now. SSC will have to address it sooner or later. You can't make a fake video and tell the world you've got the fastest car.

Buddy Wyrick is the guy who's been producing and editing all the footage of the SSC including the top speed run is releasing an upcoming film which will be 'exclusively' shown on his new app - https://www.thedrivenapp.com/

Something seems fishy about the whole thing.

Olly Webb has replied to a Insta post I saw but added nothing to explain the discrepancies. Buddy Wyrick has his own controversies in the past borrowing money from YTers and not paying it back...

Edited by -Z- on Sunday 25th October 15:10

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thecremeegg said:

You do seem to be quite invested in this, do you work for the competition or something? I would be VERY suprised if they faked it given the amount of people and equipment that witnessed it.

I wish! Just intrigued that a company could try to hoodwink so many people... And the fact that simple observation can prove the falseness of it. Its really high stakes as if it is fake, that's the end of the brand pretty much.

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NMNeil said:

Digging around I found that the Nevada DOT closed an 11 mile section between Tecopa and Sand Valley roads in 2017 for the Koenigsegg run.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/26/new-land-...
So it may be the same section for the SSC run.

GPS coordinates are below

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rigga said:

Good question .....

-Z- you seem awfully obsessed with all of this.

There's a 400 post long thread about some handbags at Vmax, this to me is far more interesting. A tiny relatively unknown company roping in a very well known driver, closing a public road to obliterate a speed record... That possibly turns out to be entirely fake having hoodwinked the world's automotive media.

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harrylee1 said:

buggalugs said:

The number of professional respected people who would need to go along with this is just too many imo,

if there is a genuine issue with the footage the most likley explanation is someone used the wrong footage for some reason, or the time base on the footage is wrong for some reason, recorded in one FPS and changed to another in editing without realising etc.

So many more likley explanations than a big cospiracy

I mentioned before - @speedyjeff, a Koenigsegg owner who was physically there on the day, mentioned that the video 100% does not show the 331mph record run. He also says it's very strange that there weren't independent bodies there to verify the speeds like VBOX.

Also, a notable hypercar owner @dan_am_i has said that the 28" diameter of the Michelin tyres would mean that at 331mph, the engine would be at 9,900 rpm in 6th gear. The SSC Tuatara has a redline of 8,800rpm. He's commented this on SSC's official YouTube video too:

The FPS thing is easy to disprove, go to the YouTube video and set playback speed to 1.25, now it's gaining speed at 330mph so quickly as to be ridiculous. Plus Olli Webs hands celebrating at the end now look like a hummingbirds wings.

Re that comment on rpms have you got a link to the working out? As if correct that's unarguable proof. Done.

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Shmee's video has blown up. Here's another one from SuperSpeeders Rob Ferreti where he even uses a screenshot of my post a couple pages back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZ3pqwulEM&t=1...

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The Spruce Goose said:

-Z- said:

Shmee's video has blown up. Here's another one from SuperSpeeders Rob Ferreti where he even uses a screenshot of my post a couple pages back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZ3pqwulEM&t=1...

Your famous now.

He used my beautifully drawn arrows in the thumbnail. I eagerly await my royalties so I can buy an RS6 and wrap it in shadow chrome at Topaz. That's how YT works, right?

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Speed_Demon said:

Pre-emptive congratulations on your millions

Maybe I'll be able to buy a heavily depreciated Tuatara?