Full car respray..

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Right then, After spending a fair amount on cleaning stuffs for the car I decided today would be a good day to actually get the cleaning polishing and waxing completed (ive only ever managed to clean it and get the polish down before the heavens opened and made a mess of everyhing. After Finally getting it all done I am APPAULED at the paintowrk on my car. Its shocking. The whole car is covered in orange peel. There are about 200 (no joke) chips on the bonnet, scratches from cats (the furry bastids, they should be set on fire and thrown infront of a bus) on the bonnet and roof, Theres the damage to the NS front wing from my altercation with dads car in my early weeks of driving. theres rust spots everywhere, scratches on almost every panel. Basically the cleaner it is the worse it looks.

Now, I've been thinking. How much would it cost for a full respray of the car?? If there something on every panel that needs attention then surely it cant cost much more to just get the whole things repainted.

So here's my questions.

How much is a full respray from a reputable body shop going to cost?
And Where in the wrexham/chester area (or a radius of 50miles from wrexham) would I find a GOOD/BRILLIANT painting place?

I understand the cost of the respray would be close to the value of the car.

The interior of the car is immaculate so a decent outer would increase the value of the car margionally which is one small factor.

So please i BEG of you no 'its st dont bother' type comments. i just want recomendations of places and maybe a rough guestimate of the cost and i will make the decision of if i go a head of not myself.

this isnt like my other ideas o adding pointless tat to the car, this is something that WILL improve the car.

Thanks

Thom

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SAGPACK said:

Utterly Clueless said:

Right then, After spending a fair amount on cleaning stuffs for the car I decided today would be a good day to actually get the cleaning polishing and waxing completed (ive only ever managed to clean it and get the polish down before the heavens opened and made a mess of everyhing. After Finally getting it all done I am APPAULED at the paintowrk on my car. Its shocking. The whole car is covered in orange peel. There are about 200 (no joke) chips on the bonnet, scratches from cats (the furry bastids, they should be set on fire and thrown infront of a bus) on the bonnet and roof, Theres the damage to the NS front wing from my altercation with dads car in my early weeks of driving. theres rust spots everywhere, scratches on almost every panel. Basically the cleaner it is the worse it looks.

Now, I've been thinking. How much would it cost for a full respray of the car?? If there something on every panel that needs attention then surely it cant cost much more to just get the whole things repainted.

So here's my questions.

How much is a full respray from a reputable body shop going to cost?
And Where in the wrexham/chester area (or a radius of 50miles from wrexham) would I find a GOOD/BRILLIANT painting place?

I understand the cost of the respray would be close to the value of the car.

The interior of the car is immaculate so a decent outer would increase the value of the car margionally which is one small factor.

So please i BEG of you no 'its st dont bother' type comments. i just want recomendations of places and maybe a rough guestimate of the cost and i will make the decision of if i go a head of not myself.

this isnt like my other ideas o adding pointless tat to the car, this is something that WILL improve the car.

Thanks

Thom

I'm not in your neck of the woods but I got a quote yesterday to fully respray a 2006 997 C4S cab for a nats wotsit under £4400.00 inc VAT...hope that helps.

OOOooooooo.....Thats maybe 2600 above what i was expecting.
I thought resprays were possible for arround 1-2k.

evidentally i need to do my homework.

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cheers for that guys.

thanks for the honesty and none piss taking.

i guess i'll just pop to the local body shops and get some quotes on the major stuff like rust spots and bonnet.

Thanks again guys

Thom

Or i can hope for some scrote to come along and pour paint stripped over the whole car and get it done by my insurance, but a full respray would probably be enough to write my car off anyways. so lets hope that one doesnt happen.

Thom

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OllieWinchester said:

You need to avoid spending any money on the car if at all possible. If you spend £3-400 having the bonnet repainted, how much do you think that adds to the value of the car?

Seriously, how much?


Plus, then you have the issue of trying to get it done cheap, and a bodyshop trying to colour match faded 10yr old burgundy paint, and your car ending up looking like a patchwork quilt, and having spent £££ achieving it. Leave the thing alone....

Now this will sound soft, but here goes.

When I was still learning to drive I was rear ended by an arriva bus. Their own private repair company repaired and resprayed the boot/rear bumper for me (this was all done outside of the insurance company) and they matched the paint perfectly to the CURRENT colour of the car. You cant tell its been done.

I'm thinking of asking them (as i know the guy who runs the wrexham depot) who they use and then going to them as they did really good work, and as i know the main guy for the wrexham area he may be able to wiggle some sort of discount for me.

im happy to spend 400 if its gets the car looking better, even if it only increases its resale value by up to £50.

First of all im going to gather quotes and then really think hard on it.

Thanks for your advice though guys. Having learned from perious threads, i am going to take it all onboard and it will have an influence on what i do.

Thom

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Also, just to clarify i WOULDNT be changing the cars colour, I have a preped wing for the car to replace the damaged one. All i would be wanting is an exterior respray. I should have explained that before.

What sort of monies would an outside only spray job cost? or am i still loking over 1k?

Thanks

Thom

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Flanders. said:

Utterly Clueless said:

OllieWinchester said:

Stuff

Stuff in response

Try getting the paint detailled?

Would a detailer sort things like rust spots?

This did cross my mind and i am a member od DW.com so i will ask people there for quotes, but i didnt think chips and rust was something their work covered.

Thom

Edited to correct unforgivable their.there mix-up, Someone shoot me

Edited by Utterly Clueless on Sunday 12th April 01:00

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stigmundfreud said:

Thom its a painful experience watching you gain your experience. Olly speaks a lot of sense, can understand you wanting the car to look as good as possible but when you post threads like this and the self tapping screws for a strut brace its hard to tell if you are serious or utterly clueless.

Ok, allow me to clear my name a bit.

Self tappers for the strut brace was an honest question. It was asked as that was what came with the brace to fit it, it didnt seem right, so i asked.

This is also genuine, the car looks horrid with the current paint imperfections so if i could get them sorted it would be great. im not going to spend silly money but i am taking onboard the advice, hence me trying to find other alternatives. At the end of the day i want my car to loog good. not 'stick on tat' good, but just tidy. currently the paints the only thing letting it down.

I'll get some quotes to see what the cost of getting the major imperfections solved is but i wont hold my breath.

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OllieWinchester said:

Waynester said:

Seriously, keep your money, add it to the value of the car when you sell it.. get something better(?).
The climb up the tree of 'car improvement' is slow... but worth it eventually.

Unfortunately for him, the OP seems intent on impeding his progress up this ladder by seeking out increasingly desperate ways to pour his hard earned down a volkswagen shaped drain.

now now, play nice.

i've taken everyones advice and am now looking for cheap thrills in the shape of a striaght 6

BMW 320 seems the logical choice. some are available for under 1k and with my birthday in about a week the possibility of having some cash added to my car fund may be promising.

watch this space.

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Pesty said:

Just remeber that all these costs are never recouped.

I learned that lesson the hard way with mountain biking.

I spend roughtly 2.5k upgrading my orange patriot and was only able to sell it for 600 2 years later.

That hurt. Alot

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Ok guys, this may seem a little wierd too you all, but i listened and stopped thinking about it 5-6 replies ago, no need to keep harping on at me as im now looking at new motors of which my golf will cover the vast majority of the costs.

Thanks though guys

Thom

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Darkslider said:

sniff diesel said:

dave_s13 said:

Utterly Clueless said:

Ok guys, this may seem a little wierd too you all, but i listened and stopped thinking about it 5-6 replies ago, no need to keep harping on at me as im now looking at new motors of which my golf will cover the vast majority of the costs.

Thanks though guys

Thom

Bear in mind you will only get about 2p trade in value for your golf against something sub £1500 at a dealer.

The only real way to get anything like decent money for it will be by selling privately.

Erm didn't he try selling a few months ago with no succes? I took the add down when i had an offer of a straight swap for an MR2 so it wasnt 'unsuccesful'. In the end i declined the offer due to condition.

Yeah, 'cos he wanted about five times what it was worth. I wanted 1k, the car IS worth more than £200 regaurdless of what you think.. 1k seemed reasonable since (according to various websites) it was worth £1600 dealership sale, £1400 average cond. private sale and £1100 part ex

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TomJS said:

I think the OP is a muppet. Utterly clueless is the perfect name for him.

If I remember correctly, he allowed his parents to spend a fortune (of his money) on a Golf. He then disliked the said Golf, and was going to chop it in, at which point the parents prevented him doing so for unknown reasons. Since then he has posted multiple times with bright ideas how to bling his golf, including if I remember correctly new alloys, lowering and now a paintjob.

Utterly Clueless, please do nothing more with the said Golf. Save for a decent car & allow NCB to build up. Avoid any bonkers schemes to 'improve' a burgundy 10+ year old Golf.

So, ive said im not going to bother with the paint and yet you still feel the need to tell me not to do anything to the paint...

reading the thread helps as you will see that im going to chop it in for a BMW 320 or 323 in the next couple of months provided i can persuade the parents to either 1, lend me the money or 2, add some to it for my birthday.

Also please get your facts correct. I didnt allow my parents to do anything, they wouldnt allow me to chose as it wasnt my money apparently. I wanted a Ford Fiesta 1.4 TDCI (on a 53/54 plate) which would have cost me about 3k. That to me seemed a much better investment than 2600 on a 10yr old golf.

ANYWAY im not painting it. i am however, still putting wheels on it but they cost me £150 so hardly big bucks (plus they are in the post so i cant, not, have them now).

And im going to save up and get myself a BMW 323 in the next few months

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Jonny671 said:

Thom.. How are you going to insure one of those dude?

I've been looking at quotes, 1200 is the lowest i can get, but thats on my own policy with 0NCB and 1 years experience. Currently paying 1400 for the golf as an aditional driver. so its still less than what im paying now even if it is 250 more than it is to insure my golf next year (again on my own policy with 0NCB and 1 years experience).

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TomJS said:

Exhibit A:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Exhibit B:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

PH comments were as follows:

pistonheads said:

"don't piss cash on a sedate looking burgundy 5 door Golf"

"The phrase I'm looking for is "throwing good money after bad", ie there is nothing to be gained from spending more on the Golf now"

"Give up on trying to 'mod' the Golf. It's never going to amount to much."

Despite these comments, OP ignores them. He buys alloys directly against their advice, and was considering respraying the Golf. Again, despite their advice and despite admitting he intends to chop in the golf for another car (be it an MR2 or a BMW 3 series).

As background, OP has told various PH'ers to go f*** themselves. He also works for Halfords, and has permitted his parents to spend £2600 on a 10+ year old golf 'on his behalf'. I rest my case.

HAHA, i love how you use 'he works for halfords' as a vaild case for your arguement. for your info i work on cycles, i am a mountainbiker at heart, i can do ANYTHING to a mountain bike and can tell you all you need to know. Cars are new to me and a bit of a novelty still.

This thread i have done nothing BUT take peoples advice.
Pulling up 3-6months old threads doenst work im sorry.

I went against peoples advice recently and learned the hard way, so guess what. I starting listening. this thread being a prime example.

I was going to chop the golf in for an MR2, but 1. the condition wasn't great and it had 150k on the clock, and 2 if i would have chopped it in i would have been on the streets as my dad threatened to kick me out if i 'went against his will'

they are happy with the BMW though as its a 'good car' and is 'practical'. The idea of me being in a 'two seater sports car' wasnt something they were happy with.

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OllieWinchester said:

Utterly Clueless said:

I didnt allow my parents to do anything, they wouldnt allow me to chose as it wasnt my money apparently.

What do you mean apparently?

ANYWAY im not painting it. i am however, still putting wheels on it but they cost me £150 so hardly big bucks (plus they are in the post so i cant, not, have them now).

I suggest putting the wheels on the car then selling it would be a bad move, as chances are you will get less for it with the wheels on. People will think it has been a little boy racers first car hence thrashed to death, and that will put people off. Sell the wheels seperately, they don't fit properly anyway.

The money was off them for my 18th bday. i bought a car at 19 with that money, but as they GAVE it to me they still considered it theres and thus it was 75% their decision in their eyes.

As for the wheels, these do fit. I sold the incorrect ones and bought different ones. They are also genuine VW wheels but when i come to sell it i will sell it with the original wheels on and sell the other set with it as well and just say one set had winter tyres and the other summer tires (which wont be a lie as the old wheels do have winter tyres on them and the new ones have summer tyres).

But once again thanks guys. I wont go wasting money on a repsray i'll save that money to add towards the 323. The cars im looking at range from 1-2k so im hoping to get maybe 500-700 for my golf. Its quite a hit considered what i paid, but thats life..

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Or even better would be to give me advice that i ask for as im now taking onboard all advice. Notice how im not even going to bother getting the car sprayed and am instead looking at better ways of spending the money??

Theres no points digging up the past as thats been and gone and nothing you do can change it. so using it against me is pretty much pointless.

you could rip me to shreads until i tell you to fk off, but what would that achieve?

Would you be happy knowing that youve defeated someone with less knowledge than you. would it make you feel smart to take the piss out of someone who only wants help? Some of you on this site really need to stop hiding behind your keyboards.

My next question was actually going to be whats the best method of spark plug removal (my engine layout is a bit akward) as my cars due its 12 month service and so i am going to do that myself with the aid of my friend.

But i guess asking such a question will only end up with 'dont service you car its st' type replies.

Sometimes i wonder why i stick with this site. The majority of you are c-unts and theres the odd one or two who understand where im coming from and are actually helpful.

I've learnt my lesson from not listening to good advice as it cost me 120 quid so now im more willing to listen, an even when ive taken onboard your advice and have halted my current idea some of you still feel the need to continue the trend of abusing me. And when you realise that theres no point in abusing me for this topic you then decide to bring up old topics that are dead and burried and abuse me for those. or you invent new topics and then abuse me for those even though they dont exsist.

seriously people (with the exception of a small minority) GROW THE FECK UP!!!!!

Edited by Utterly Clueless on Monday 13th April 01:30

Edited by Utterly Clueless on Monday 13th April 01:46

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OllieWinchester said:

How did you get your closing statement past the swear filter?

quote it and find out

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Pesty said:

ps you shouldnt have any trouble getting the spark plugs on that car why does it look awquard?

My car is one of the less common 1.6's, its the 100bhp MPI version as opposed to the 75bhp SPI.

The air intake is at the back of the engine and splits into 4 veins.

Theese come over the top of the engine and then curl down towards the bottom of the engine.

from the side the engine looks like this


___
/
/
/ |
| |
intake manifold type thingy ---> | | <---- front of engine
| |
| m |
\ m|
\ |
\ |
\ |

Spark plugs are represented by 'm'.

the intake comes over the engine and down and blocks all access to the plugs. to get to them the top of the engine looks like it has to be removed??

I'll get some pictures tomorrow to explain better

Thom

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thats a picture of my engine.

Use the black painted rectangle as a reference points

follow the 4 'veins' from that towards the radiator.

those four 'veins' create a semi circle and join to the engine block further down.

each plug sits in line with a 'vein.'

There s not enough room to get your hand in, let alone any tools.

hence why its akward.

Thom

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Stu R said:

Whilst you have posted some howlers Thom, this doesn't seem to be one of them.

I know the paint thing has been done to death, and you've supposedly made your decision, but personally I see no harm in wanting the car to look its best regardless of it's value. Of course, the money could p'raps be better put in the piggy bank to go towards a better car (if indeed that's what you wanted to do), but if you want to get some paint done go ahead and get it done imo. I've done it before on sheds and I'm sure many others here have. Christ if I could get back the money I've spent modifying cars had I saved it and left them standard, I could have a brand new aston on the drive as I type this.

A full respray would be a bit lavish, and for a decent one you're normally talking upwards of 2 grand, of course this depends on the cost of materials, how much time is spent doing the 'prep work' and so on. If you do want the front end painting, as you said, chase up the people who did the back at the bus company for you and see if they'll give the front a quick blow over to get rid of the worst of it. A few hundred quid spent on getting the worst bits removed certainly won't do any harm if that's what you want, as long as you're happy you won't get it back come selling time, some maybe, not all. Same goes for everything else you've done. So if you're going to change, perhaps best not to bother.

Personally, and speaking from experience, I wouldn't bother spending any money on it. It's not a bad car, and for someone of your age is more than decent as a foot on the ladder. Whilst you've perhaps been a bit misguided in the past (something we're all guilty of), at least you've asked, and you seem keen to distance yourself from the myriad of chav tat. So whilst I think at times you inadvertantly bring the stey replies on yourself due to lack of foresight amongst us ritual piss takers, don't let it bother you. I know this is sort of contrary to what I posted in the above paragraphs, but hindsight is wonderful. I'd rather have suffered having a few stone chips on one of my first cars and spend the money on things I enjoyed, as it happens I sank shed loads of money into all my cars and now have naff all to show for it, but I enjoyed doing it at the time, years down the line I wish I hadn't bothered but c'est la vie!

As for the spark plugs, go and buy a haynes manual! They cost pence and armed with one of those and a simple selection of tools you'll go far when it comes to basic servicing and maintanence.
If there isn't one just get it down to kwik-fit or somewhere of that ilk, pay them to do it and watch them do it, even they'll manage it fine I expect, it's one of the few jobs I'd trust them with in an everyday car.
I've never done the plugs on that engine so I'm not about to give you any advice, it could be a case that the plastics need taking off, or that it's better done from underneath, I've no idea.

Edited by Stu R on Monday 13th April 02:17

I'll be first to admit i bring it on myself, But in every ten abusive replies i get theres usually one person giving advice, and if i got 50 replies and 2 bits of good advice then the thread has been a success regardless of peoples opinions of me afterwards.

In real life, i dont have money, i dont have a great car. or a girlfriend or a good job. and for those reasons i know any friends i have are my friends due to who i am, and not what i have. so i'm happy to be me both on forums and in real life as i know there are people who like me for me.

I have tried looking for a haynes manual but none cover the 1.6 MPI which is a bugger. its the same 1.6 thats found in the MK4's so i'll have a look in the MK4 haynes manual rather than the MK3.

I would take it to quickfit or the like but money is tight so if i can avoid spending the money then brilliant.

I'll go ask the family friend mechanic for his professional opinion on tuesday, but in the mean time i'll get some pictures up and see if anyone has any advice.

Thom