Warning POSSIBLE Tesco 99 Poor fuel problem

Warning POSSIBLE Tesco 99 Poor fuel problem

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Andyuk911

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Saturday 28th November 2009
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Just a heads up but I am 99% sure Tesco have a problem with the 99 Fuel.

I filled the wife's 2008 Renault 1.2 TCE from almost empty, and after 20 miles the car went into limp mode.

I have had it checked, and no faults are found.

Car is now running rough on tickover and lacks power, I assume the ECU has backed everything off.

I am certain the problem is the Super unleaded bought from Tesco Sidcup and no faults with the car.

Andyuk911

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All valid points ... But I took a vid of the device pulling the data ....

Reason for the Super unleaded for the uneducated, more cleaning agents and even in a 1.2 Turbo you can feel the difference ...

Andyuk911

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Zad said:
Surely the reason for super unleaded is a higher octane, and on a car with a knock sensor it will get more power out of it? On an engine not equipped with a knock sensor it will just work as "normal".
Correct, the Clio's engine is the latest and advances the ignition.


Andyuk911

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I understand the thoughts you are all having.

The car since new has run 'sweet'

Obviously the only way to prove this is to sample the fuel ..

The 20 miles was approx.

I will try and run the tank out dry and switch to shell ... I can then only report back if the car returns to it's normal performance.

I still feel if you plan to use Tesco 99, play it safe for now .......

If the car had any problems I am sure they would have fixed it .... they suggest it is the fuel too

Andyuk911

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AndrewW-G said:
Andyuk911 said:
Zad said:
Surely the reason for super unleaded is a higher octane, and on a car with a knock sensor it will get more power out of it? On an engine not equipped with a knock sensor it will just work as "normal".
Correct, the Clio's engine is the latest and advances the ignition.
But only if there is an ECU map for the higher grade fuel, otherwise it will just run at the higher tollerance end of its standard maps. Most cars setup to use higher octance fuels, dial back the ignition timming amongst other things to cope with lower grade fuels and have the ability to do it built into the ECU/map. I'd be interested to see a dyno print out of a 1.2 clio on standard and super unleaded.



Edited by AndrewW-G on Saturday 28th November 17:55
The Engine ..

http://www.renault.co.uk/about/innovations/TCE_100...

Andyuk911

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BIANCO said:
How are you 99% sure it’s the Tesco fuel? It far more likely to be your car that’s the problem not the fuel.
Been checked .... but note the thread title .. POSSIBLE ...

Andyuk911

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AndrewW-G said:
Andyuk911 said:
I will try and run the tank out dry and switch to shell ... I can then only report back if the car returns to it's normal performance.
You do know it all comes out of the same tap at the refinery?........ If it is the fuel its more likely a cockup at the petrol station than the refinery.
Given the current weather it could have been damp in the electrics, if it were me I’d be making sure I had the answer before slating a company that may not be at fault, especially one as litigious as Tesco smile
I agree .. note POSSIBLE !

The car is always garaged and thus would not be damp ... the car is 'relatively' new ..

Andyuk911

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AndrewW-G said:
Andyuk911 said:
The car is always garaged and thus would not be damp ... the car is 'relatively' new ..
My garage is heated and dry, makes fk all difference as soon as I open the door and drive off into the currently rather wet out doors
My response was to another reply that suggestion that was the cauise, I agree it makes no difference in a modern new car ..

Andyuk911

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Saturday 28th November 2009
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johnfelstead said:
Andyuk911 said:
I still feel if you plan to use Tesco 99, play it safe for now .......

If the car had any problems I am sure they would have fixed it .... they suggest it is the fuel too
It's possible to get a bad batch of fuel, but how exactly do you suggest everyone who uses Tesco 99 should play it safe?

You are basically saying everyone should boycott Tesco99 until you have got round to burning all your fuel off and then trying it on another batch. Thats a bit of an extreme thing to suggest based on your one experience of a car that may have a fault you haven't diagnosed yet, or indeed from a bad fuel batch from a single UK garage.

If the diagnostic garage thinks it the fuel, why didn't they drain your tank and fill it up with something else? Thats the logical approach is it not? So it costs you £50 in junked fuel that might in fact be OK, but it's less than an hours labour at a lot of garages now and at least you could then come on here and make a post that might be of some value to others, right now you are making huge assumptions and suggesting a companies product should be boycotted based on those assumptions.
Limited by time due to Saturday .. I suppose I could get this done Monday ...

Andyuk911

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Saturday 28th November 2009
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fathomfive said:
zakelwe said:
I bet some crap from the bottom of the tank has fecked your engine, rather than it being Tesco's fault.

Andy
Was just thinking the same thing.
Newish car, complete with modern filter, I doubt it ...

Andyuk911

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Saturday 28th November 2009
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Frik said:
Have you spoken to Tesco about this, or was naming and shaming on the internet your first port of call?
Phoned and visited, spoke to the Duty Manager. Was told the correct procedure was to write to head office ...

Andyuk911

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Saturday 28th November 2009
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kambites said:
Frankly, if your car goes into a "limp home" type mode without recording a fault, it's broken. No piece of electronics should actively enter a diagnostics mode without recording the reason. If the fuel was bad and there was nothing wrong with the car, it would have recorded that it was having some kind of combustion problem, probably a misfire or overheating or something.
No over heating or misfire ....

Andyuk911

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Monday 30th November 2009
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bazking69 said:
Why on earth are you running a 1.2 on super for starters...
You clearly have very little knowledge about engines and fuel ....

Andyuk911

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Monday 30th November 2009
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Marf said:
clarkey318is said:
foz01 said:
clarkey318is said:
Could be that you ran the tank very low before filling up? If this happened the pump will have picked up all the crud from the bottom of the tank.
biggest misconception out there.....
Would be useful if you could explain why, I'm not disagreeing with you but in my experience running a tank very low is never good for the pump, for starters it is where it is to aid cooling, if the tank is low then it is more prone to overheating. Not to mention the fact that particles of st are more concentrated when there is less fuel. I'd be interested to know why you think otherwise.
A few questions:-

How did the crud get there in the first place?

Wouldn't any cars fuel system pick up crud as a matter of course given they pick up fuel from the lowest point in the tank?

What is a fuel filter for?
Marf,

As you can see peoples level of knowledge of cars is amazingly poor.


Andyuk911

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Just to update for the people who do understand.

I have spoken to Greenenergy who were extremely helpful.

They are going to investigate to check if any problems during the delivery of the fuel..

The gentleman did explain they can have very occasional issues.

I am currently unable to get any of my local Renault dealers to check and drain the tank as they are all booked until Thursday... and I need to use the car.

So I plan to run the tank out and refill with shell/BP.


Andyuk911

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Monday 30th November 2009
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Howitzer said:
Marf said:
Andyuk911 said:
Marf said:
clarkey318is said:
foz01 said:
clarkey318is said:
Could be that you ran the tank very low before filling up? If this happened the pump will have picked up all the crud from the bottom of the tank.
biggest misconception out there.....
Would be useful if you could explain why, I'm not disagreeing with you but in my experience running a tank very low is never good for the pump, for starters it is where it is to aid cooling, if the tank is low then it is more prone to overheating. Not to mention the fact that particles of st are more concentrated when there is less fuel. I'd be interested to know why you think otherwise.
A few questions:-

How did the crud get there in the first place?

Wouldn't any cars fuel system pick up crud as a matter of course given they pick up fuel from the lowest point in the tank?

What is a fuel filter for?
Marf,

As you can see peoples level of knowledge of cars is amazingly poor.
Indeed, it never ceases to amaze me how these kinds of fallacies fall into automotive folk lore.
We used to see it on tractors, I had it occur twice on the same car in my youth, when I could only afford £10 a time.

As has been said it's the concentration levels. I've pulled apart fuel systems that have run for years and upon opening them up still seen debris.

Dave!
Sorry Dave, but we are talking about a year old car which has modern filters and an ECU ....

Andyuk911

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Monday 30th November 2009
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Indeed, the latest Clio 1.2 TCE Turbo has a sticker on the inside of the fuel cap 95 and 98 ...

Andyuk911

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The Wookie said:
Andyuk911 said:
Indeed, the latest Clio 1.2 TCE Turbo has a sticker on the inside of the fuel cap 95 and 98 ...
There's your answer then!
What are you trying to say ?

The car has been running on T99 for at least a year ....

Andyuk911

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Monday 30th November 2009
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John,

exactly as I understand it ... your post an enjoyable read ...

Thanks
Andy

Andyuk911

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Wednesday 2nd December 2009
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MSTRBKR said:
Andyuk911 said:
John,

exactly as I understand it ... your post an enjoyable read ...

Thanks
Andy
But your car tells you to put 95 to 98 in, not 99. So you have what John said is an 'old' car. Your car can't handle it and popped, so it seems.
Words fail me, you clearly have absolutely no understanding of petrol ..... do some research before you post.