DVLA Refused Trade Plate Application WTF ???
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My Dad who has been a trader for yrs and used to have trade plates (years ago) has just applied for a new set.
Basically he's chanced it a few times and with the penalties now it makes sense to get a set even for the rare occassions he needs them.
But his application has been refused as they said trading approx 50 cars per year isn't enough.
WTF is going on ? Its his business he needs to move untaxed cars and he's applied to do so legally but they say he can't.
Are we supposed to trailer everything ?
Because that isn't going to happen.
Basically he's chanced it a few times and with the penalties now it makes sense to get a set even for the rare occassions he needs them.
But his application has been refused as they said trading approx 50 cars per year isn't enough.
WTF is going on ? Its his business he needs to move untaxed cars and he's applied to do so legally but they say he can't.
Are we supposed to trailer everything ?
Because that isn't going to happen.
Fox- said:
Does he have retail premesis? If so how does he sustain them on only 50 cars a year? Thats going to be a very low turnover let alone operating profit?
Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
Why on earth does that matter ?Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
He has been a successful trader for 30+ yrs and 50 x say £5k profit = a nice little business thanks.
confused_buyer said:
Sounds utterly bizarre. They'll issue trade plates if you are trading 5 cars per year. Basically, if you need them, they should issue them.
What supporting documentation did he supply? Normally, trade insurance plus a couple of auction accounts of evidence of trading cars is enough.
50 is more than enough for trade plates.
They ask on the form when they can inspect your books to prove how many you sell.What supporting documentation did he supply? Normally, trade insurance plus a couple of auction accounts of evidence of trading cars is enough.
50 is more than enough for trade plates.
He said they could look anytime.
As I said he used to have Trade plates when he dealt far fewer cars.
I used £5k profit a car as an example - to demonstrate that you can't judge a dealer by numbers sold.
However when you sell a £200k Bentley you sure as hell ought to be making more than £5k !
Tom Hartley sells from home (certainly he used to) and I'd suggest his margin is well over £5k a car.
However to get back on track Dad has around 50 cars in stock and obviously is VAT registered etc
They simply said he wasn't selling enough cars and to re apply when he was selling more.
I've told he to chase them up.
However when you sell a £200k Bentley you sure as hell ought to be making more than £5k !
Tom Hartley sells from home (certainly he used to) and I'd suggest his margin is well over £5k a car.
However to get back on track Dad has around 50 cars in stock and obviously is VAT registered etc
They simply said he wasn't selling enough cars and to re apply when he was selling more.
I've told he to chase them up.
AndrewW-G said:
As per the last thread on trade plates, even though you may not strictly need it, VAT Reg, any HMRC documentation, account invoices from suppliers etc will help an application, they seem to be getting stricter and stricter when handing out TP's
But none of that was asked for.He filled in the form and they rejected it simply due to selling too few cars.
He has now spoken to them and they have said that there is no specific amount of cars required and is awaiting them to call him back (apparently they can't deal with enquiries there and then.
markcoznottz said:
There is no chuffing limit!. If you are buying cars to sell and make a profit then its a business end of as far as HMRC are concerned. People are so naieve on the subject of selling cars from home. I put it to the OP that his dad is a chancer who like previous posters have suggested, thought he could make a nice little earner selling a few cars from his front room, and bypass all the responsibilities that running a a legit car sales business incurs. You need to be VAT registered to buy trade ins from other garages, and cars from the auctions so I dont know where you intend to purchase vehicles. Thats if you can find any cars; massive shortgages of used vehciles, and thats even for traders with a stocking loan and a fueled up transporter ready to go and buy at the drop of a hat. You cannot use your house as premises either, I would check the small print on your mortgage, also the house insurance is invalid, so if your house burnt down that would be it. Game over no payout.
I put it to you that you can't be arsed to read posts otherwise you'd see that Dad is VAT registered (NOT that you have to be to buy from dealers nor most auctions) has over 50 cars in stock and has been trading for 30 yrs.How many chancers sell £200k Bentleys ?
To$$er !
Yes he's a classic car dealer.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
falkster said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
Yes he's a classic car dealer.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
Whats wrong with people that buy 5k cars??This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
My Soarer V8 was sub £500 and I have no problem buying and selling cheap cars, its just its frequently easier dealing with the higher priced stuff.
markcoznottz said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
markcoznottz said:
There is no chuffing limit!. If you are buying cars to sell and make a profit then its a business end of as far as HMRC are concerned. People are so naieve on the subject of selling cars from home. I put it to the OP that his dad is a chancer who like previous posters have suggested, thought he could make a nice little earner selling a few cars from his front room, and bypass all the responsibilities that running a a legit car sales business incurs. You need to be VAT registered to buy trade ins from other garages, and cars from the auctions so I dont know where you intend to purchase vehicles. Thats if you can find any cars; massive shortgages of used vehciles, and thats even for traders with a stocking loan and a fueled up transporter ready to go and buy at the drop of a hat. You cannot use your house as premises either, I would check the small print on your mortgage, also the house insurance is invalid, so if your house burnt down that would be it. Game over no payout.
I put it to you that you can't be arsed to read posts otherwise you'd see that Dad is VAT registered (NOT that you have to be to buy from dealers nor most auctions) has over 50 cars in stock and has been trading for 30 yrs.How many chancers sell £200k Bentleys ?
To$$er !
50 in stock !
He has approx 50 cars on his premises at any one time, that's what 'in stock' means.
I never said TH was an average trader and I never said my Dad was either.
In fact I posted about a simple Trade Plate issue and then had idiots like you witter on about something they know nothing about.
With every post you demonstrate increasing ignorance, it might be best you stop now.
Edited by OnlyMX5ives on Friday 15th January 16:12
markcoznottz said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
Fox- said:
Does he have retail premesis? If so how does he sustain them on only 50 cars a year? Thats going to be a very low turnover let alone operating profit?
Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
Why on earth does that matter ?Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
He has been a successful trader for 30+ yrs and 50 x say £5k profit = a nice little business thanks.
I'd suggest any home that can take 50 cars is possibly one worthy of selling from.
Care to make any more stupid comments ?
Get back to cleaning cars.
FFS no it doesn't.
You simply don't read or comprehend anything do you.
THE ONLY REASON IT WAS REFUSED BECAUSE HE DEALT IN TOO FEW CARS.
(Now read and repeat the above sentence 10 times - has it sunk in yet ?)
Hence the OP and following people, who have a clue, suggesting that reason is, as I suspected, rubbish, he has called them and is awaiting a call back.
I tell you what, as you are so bright and clearly a wealthy property dealer I'll bet you £1000 that:
I have the letter stating the reason for refusal
That he has over 50 cars in stock, including a £200k Bentley
That he is VAT registered
And hell I'll even throw in that he has planning permission
We're only an hour away from Notts so do you fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?
You simply don't read or comprehend anything do you.
THE ONLY REASON IT WAS REFUSED BECAUSE HE DEALT IN TOO FEW CARS.
(Now read and repeat the above sentence 10 times - has it sunk in yet ?)
Hence the OP and following people, who have a clue, suggesting that reason is, as I suspected, rubbish, he has called them and is awaiting a call back.
I tell you what, as you are so bright and clearly a wealthy property dealer I'll bet you £1000 that:
I have the letter stating the reason for refusal
That he has over 50 cars in stock, including a £200k Bentley
That he is VAT registered
And hell I'll even throw in that he has planning permission
We're only an hour away from Notts so do you fancy putting your money where your mouth is ?
Planning permission to grow sprouts.
WTF do you think ?
Have you never ventured out of Notts there are hundreds of car dealers legally and successfully dealing from their homes.
I suspect you are a 'property developer' who has once bought a flat at auction.
Some of us have Degrees in it so if you need any advice let me know.
(Yes I'm talking about sprouts again)
Or perhaps BSc Hons Residential Development.
(For a grand I'll even throw in a peek at my certificate for that too)
WTF do you think ?
Have you never ventured out of Notts there are hundreds of car dealers legally and successfully dealing from their homes.
I suspect you are a 'property developer' who has once bought a flat at auction.
Some of us have Degrees in it so if you need any advice let me know.
(Yes I'm talking about sprouts again)
Or perhaps BSc Hons Residential Development.
(For a grand I'll even throw in a peek at my certificate for that too)
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