For those that undertake, is it....

[300bhp/ton]

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

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HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

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kambites said:

I think it's just frustration with the idiots who wont let you overtake. If there is room to undertake, then the person you want to pass should have moved left so you didn't have to.

Not always.

Over New Year I went on rescue mission to collect someone from Brighton. Mostly motorway (3/4 lane) and dual carriage way.

There were some total dickwads about, weaving in and out of the traffic as though it was some sort of grand prix. And in most cases they'd have got just as far down the road had they stuck in a single lane.

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Great Pretender said:

I frequently undertake people

You shock me, never would I have thought such a character as yourself would be thus way inclined.....

Great Pretender said:

300bhp/ton said:

So you undertake on dual carriage ways and motorways then?

But why? Pray tell, is it:

Ignorance - that you honestly don't know that you shouldn't.

Or

Arrogance - That you have some kind of superiority complex and feel you are better than everyone else?

Neither.

It's because the tool in the outside lane is blissfully unaware that there is anything behind him/her and therefore no amount of gentle creeping to their n/s mirror, or indicating or - God forbid - flashing, will move them. Either that or it's their own arrogance; that 70mph is the limit and woe-betide anyone who should wish to go faster, that's the problem.

I frequently undertake people because frankly, I'm not prepared to follow someone for miles and miles who is so unaware of their own surroundings.

>flamesuit at the ready<

You describe only 1 type of situation. And I'm not sure it is that often, not on 3 lane motorways that you do get a person in the fast lane/lane 3 sitting for long periods at low speed unless it busy, which in sanities sake would suggest driving like a tit is not really that appropriate.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Monday 10th January 13:37

[300bhp/ton]

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

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mattman said:

300bhp/ton said:

Mazdarese said:

5pen said:

I never move to a left hand lane to overtake, but if I'm in lane 1 travelling at, say 70, and some knob is in lane 2 unnecessarily and travelling at, say 60, then I will pass them on the left.

What would you do, out of interest, if you came across a vehicle sat at 50mph in lane 2 who won't move, and you wanted to travel faster?

You have three options:

1 - Move over to lane 1 and slow down so as to not undertake them - Crap, the whole road is now blocked.
2 - Sit behind them in lane 2 at their speed - Crap, you're now the same as them.
3 - Move over to lane 1 and pass them on the inside - This is what I'd do, but it's viewed by many as illegal.

You can't win. The world's a mess. Nu Labia etc Winky Mcfknugget

I have to say, having driven many 1000's of miles (like many) since passing my test in 1997. No idea how many miles, but suspect averaging 18-20k a year.

I honestly would say I find this situation very, very, very rare. So much so that I'd say it almost never happens. At least not for anything that last longer than 30 seconds or so. So nothing that should cause any sane person an issue.

In fact the only time I can truly recall it happening (not being racist, just stating an observation) is when you have an indian/Pakistani of around 50 who evidently has never taken a UK Driving Test. And they just sit in the wrong lane at low speed and have no clue that they shouldn't.

Blimey - wish I drove on your roads - happened to me twice on the M1 last saturday when both lanes 1 and 2 were clear but the twonk sat in lane 3 at 65-70mph - within the space of 20miles - tried moving across their field of vision from a safe distance, friendly flash, etc but nothing - moved over to lane 1 passed and stayed there until i needed to use lane 2 again and they still sat there not moving over.....

Sorry, am I reading this right?

You drove for 20 miles on the M1 with no traffic in lane 1 and 2????? And only a single car in lane 3?

Me thinks you are not telling all.

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RobM77 said:

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow, and it's subtley changed my driving, and I can now appreciate an understand things that used to annoy me. With regard to undertaking, if I come off a roundabout at 60mph (same speed as in my Elise) and accelerate to 70, what am I supposed to do about someone in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway doing 50mph? In the Elise and my previous daily driver (Z4 Coupé) I would slow to 50 behind them, patiently wait for them to move, then squirt up to 70 again, move back to lane 1, thank them, and move on my way; but now that I've got such little power I'm afraid to say that I take the cheaper and less arduous option and just drive past (if safe) at 70... I would only do this if there was a lane between us though, or a very wide road with lots of room. It is annoying though if you're in something slow! Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

Thanks Rob, but I've got and driven plenty of slower cars.

I guess the situation I'm meaning isn't a deserted dual carriage way with only you and one other car on it. I suspect for most, this is a rare or never occurrence.

I mean more like driving a 100 miles on a motorway, using cruise control and having tts weaving in and out from all directions cutting you up.

In one instance the other week, I'm in the middle lane, easily running at higher speed than the vehicles on my left and running at a slower speed to the vehicles on my right.

A car comes up behind and tailgates me (despite there being a car on my left, so I had nowhere to go). They could have overtaken on my right though as the traffic was light enough to easily pull out.

I pass the car on my left, check the mirror and make to pull into the left lane, but before I can do so, the idiot behind speeds up and dives into the left lane (causing me to have a wobble on the steering wheel while I don't drive into them, despite me indicating to pull into the left lane).

However it doesn't end here, there was still traffic in the left lane, traffic which was going slower than me. This idiot manages to pull just about level with me/ half a length a ahead before they have to slow down due to the slower traffic. So I stick on cruise control and continue to overtake the slower traffic that is in the left lane, as the car behind me. Eventually the idiot pulls back out to the middle lane and then after all this faffing and dangerous driving do they decide to pull into the right lane. By this time I've passed the other slower traffic and I'm now happily sitting in the left hand lane on cruise control at the same speed still. They eventually pass me with an empty middle lane between us....

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louiebaby said:

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

Or, a car dives into the left lane at speed, accelerates to 90mph undertakes before swerving back across in front of you causing you to take avoidance action

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RobM77 said:

300bhp/ton said:

RobM77 said:

In November I changed my daily practical car for something really slow, and it's subtley changed my driving, and I can now appreciate an understand things that used to annoy me. With regard to undertaking, if I come off a roundabout at 60mph (same speed as in my Elise) and accelerate to 70, what am I supposed to do about someone in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway doing 50mph? In the Elise and my previous daily driver (Z4 Coupé) I would slow to 50 behind them, patiently wait for them to move, then squirt up to 70 again, move back to lane 1, thank them, and move on my way; but now that I've got such little power I'm afraid to say that I take the cheaper and less arduous option and just drive past (if safe) at 70... I would only do this if there was a lane between us though, or a very wide road with lots of room. It is annoying though if you're in something slow! Maybe the OP should try driving a slow car to see how it changes things? Still illegal of course, but it does change one's outlook.

Thanks Rob, but I've got and driven plenty of slower cars.

I guess the situation I'm meaning isn't a deserted dual carriage way with only you and one other car on it. I suspect for most, this is a rare or never occurrence.

I mean more like driving a 100 miles on a motorway, using cruise control and having tts weaving in and out from all directions cutting you up.

In one instance the other week, I'm in the middle lane, easily running at higher speed than the vehicles on my left and running at a slower speed to the vehicles on my right.

A car comes up behind and tailgates me (despite there being a car on my left, so I had nowhere to go). They could have overtaken on my right though as the traffic was light enough to easily pull out.

I pass the car on my left, check the mirror and make to pull into the left lane, but before I can do so, the idiot behind speeds up and dives into the left lane (causing me to have a wobble on the steering wheel while I don't drive into them, despite me indicating to pull into the left lane).

However it doesn't end here, there was still traffic in the left lane, traffic which was going slower than me. This idiot manages to pull just about level with me/ half a length a ahead before they have to slow down due to the slower traffic. So I stick on cruise control and continue to overtake the slower traffic that is in the left lane, as the car behind me. Eventually the idiot pulls back out to the middle lane and then after all this faffing and dangerous driving do they decide to pull into the right lane. By this time I've passed the other slower traffic and I'm now happily sitting in the left hand lane on cruise control at the same speed still. They eventually pass me with an empty middle lane between us....

I'm totally with you on that.

With regard to my post though, I do spend a fair amount of time on fairly empty dual carriageways at night, and frequently get the situation that I described. Often if you slow to their speed and follow them, they refuse to move over anyway, so there's nothing gained!

In such situations then I suspect I'd concur

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DannyVTS said:

how?

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VladD said:

300bhp/ton said:

DannyVTS said:

how?

I think your experiance is different to most and that perhaps you should have expalined it better in the initial post. In your case, the guy was driving like a tosser and you can be justifiably annoyed, however in most cases those of us who pass on the left do it because we either a) Can't get past on the right because the other driver is occupying the right most lane or b) Can't be arsed to pull out of lane 1 to pass motorsists who refuse to use it themselves.

weaving, and undertaking is not an isolated case.

And so far, this poll, 44 voters, 95% self proclaimed as arrogant. Don't see how this is a backfired thread as it's answered exactly what it asked, and the responses in general, well 95% of them would seem to fully justify the stats being produced

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Chris_w666 said:

300bhp/ton said:

louiebaby said:

kambites said:

If it's possible to undertake, then it's possible for the idiot that you're undertaking to be in the lane that you are going to undertake them in.

Close the thread. Commonsense has arrived.

Or, a car dives into the left lane at speed, accelerates to 90mph undertakes before swerving back across in front of you causing you to take avoidance action

If he passed you doing 90 I assume you were going slower, with an empty left hand lane. So why not move over? Oh and why would you have to avoid a car accelerating away from you?

Umm because I was over taking a vehicle too and would have also had to slow if I pulled over. And avoiding them was due to them trying the change lanes due to the slower vehicle now in thief lane and there not really being enough room.

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DrTre said:

If people are being cut up left right and centre enough to whine about it, look to your own driving as that appears to be the common denominator.

I think the only sensible answer to such a stupid comment is bks is it!

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The Wookie said:

300bhp you weren't one of those total tits last tuesday or wednesday evening sitting in the middle or outside lanes, cruising along, not overtaking, creating clumps of traffic every 4 or 5 miles at well below the NSL on an otherwise clear and quiet A23/M23 were you? If so, I 'undertook' you and I hate you.

I like to use all the lanes.... So no, I suspect it wasnt me at all

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Engineer1 said:

300bhp/ton said:

HellDiver said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you don't like getting undertaken, then keep in Lane 1, it's as simple as that.

That isn't always possible....

No but if someone can pass you on the inside there was enough gap as proven by the fact the car passed through that gap.

What a load of rubbish!

This is not the case all or everytime.

Often there is only room to undertake due to the person undertaking using excessive speed and dangerous driving.

ie

Car 'x' is happily gaining and over taking a slower car on the left, to pull in would also mean to slow down and brake, so car 'x' has the same legal right to over take as yobbo car 'y' behind.

Yobbo idiot decides to undertake by excessively exceeding the speed limit or driving conditions often resulting in swerving back out in front of car 'x' making it either uncomfortable or requiring avoidance action to prevent an RTA.