The 207 GTi

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No I am not essexplumber in disguise,

However I have noticed these drop in price signifiantly, and as they share the same 150bhp PSA/BMW 4-cyl engine as a Mini Cooper, are they worth a punt?

Before you tell me, yes I know it is not a 205 GTi and some smart arse will define a second in time when "Peugeot lost the plot", it is not as pretty as a Mini I agree, although having decent eyesight I have no need for a dinner-plate sized speedo, nor the naff-feeling plastic switches you get in a Mini dashboard. I also appreciate the interior of the Pug is hardly avant-garde.

It seems several things go wrong with the Pug engine (timing tensioner issues) and cats don't seem to last- do the same things happen to the Mini lump?

Early low mileage cars 57 platers with 30- 40k can be had for £6k or thereabouts. £6k does not buy a lot of Mini at the best of times.

The PH write-up was farourable, so why does it get such a bad write-up from the PH massive?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&...

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Wrong link in my OP, sorry, thought that article was discussing the GTi, it wasn't.

It is the GTi I've seen (so 175bhp/ a la new Cooper S). It's clearly not a classically adored vehicle, but I'd be surprised to find a 175bhp Mini with sensible miles for under 10k- 12 from a dealer.

I can't see how the Pug is really half the car...

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SteveS Cup said:

Give me some examples then!?

-newer
-faster
-more fun

Note we are talking about SIX GRAND here 300, not 10- 12, which is what I'd expect a comparable age/ mileage Cooper S to cost. I wouldn't spend 10k on a 207.

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300bhp/ton said:

No probs.

But looking at the PH classifieds under Pug 207 searching GTI for a max of 6500 only shows up 2 cars. Both 2007. So let's face it, £6k is a stretch for these, if you wanted newer and slower there are options. Which is a valid combo from my previous reply.

I don't restrict my searching to the PH classifieds. Even AT shows up several from dealers at 6 or just above on 57's with low miles.

300bhp/ton said:

Also let's face it. A 2007 model is out of warranty. So I think it's fair to argue that running a 2002-2005 car would not represent any more of a risk in terms of reliabilty or durability.

Subjectively yes, I agree. Having said that the older the car, the higher the likelihood of problems- if you're being subjective then so am I!

300bhp/ton said:

This is a cat D, so not to everyone's taste, although often shunned due to lack of knowledge. But I think it's more car for your money. There are other non Cat D examples at similar money to most of the 207 GTI's if you have scope above £6k

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2666675.htm

A good find- priced down to reflect the history- non-Cat D's are from 6.5k from what I can see. However the Pug is tax band I (£210/ year) the MPS costs £435/ year to tax, which will only go up. So ownership of an MPS is £225/ year towards Dave's Big Society before the poor fuel economy s taken into account, that's not considering the effect higher tax bands WILL have on second hand values before too long. It would be hard to shift in the future that's for sure...

300bhp/ton said:

For a lot less money and a similar age, certainly no more of anrisky purchase than a 207:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2348821.htm

Of couse it's a lot less money. It's not a comparable vehicle in any way.

300bhp/ton said:

Bit of haggling and a car 10x better than the Pug:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2693832.htm

Ten times better? On what basis? Also it's a question of turbo vs N/A, so really not sure how it compares...

300bhp/ton said:

Here's one for you and doogz, as in newer. I really like these, Evo gave them a good write up too:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2603325.htm

Will depreciate like a stone. Quirky yes, which also means oddball and hard to sell.

300bhp/ton said:

Same sort of age as the Pug:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2176404.htm

A rare car! For a reason...

300bhp/ton said:

Couple of other similar priced and aged alternatives:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2131136.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2606156.htm

A 182 is too old. As another poster has said, spend a few quid on one yes, but 5k+? No, it's too old. I'm surprised the 197's are that low. But 7k is not 6. And if you want to talk 7k, you may as well put in 8, or 9, or....

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doogz said:

That's lovely, but the OP isn't terribly bothered about what is important to you. He's bothered about what's important to him, so there's not really much point in suggesting stuff you know doesn't meet his criteria, i.e. over budget, and old.

And the OP wondered if the 207 GTi was worth a punt as they are available from 6k, and not a lot more than that...

General consensus appears to be "yes", noting they have (only seem to have) the same issues as the Mini has with that engine. Which is a surprise to me, I thought Mini's must be made of solid gold given their residuals and the way owners speak of them.