Would you change your 997.1 gt3 for a 991 gt3 pdk
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Still having a dilemma regarding changing my 997.1 manual for a 991 gt3 pdk.
Im thinking the car is now 10 years old. I'm not going to pay £180 plus for a 991.2 manual.
Things will need doing soon. I still have porsche warranty until November 2018. 31,00 miles now
I know it's nice to have a newer model, but is it that much of a change.
Im thinking the car is now 10 years old. I'm not going to pay £180 plus for a 991.2 manual.
Things will need doing soon. I still have porsche warranty until November 2018. 31,00 miles now
I know it's nice to have a newer model, but is it that much of a change.
Edited by evodarren on Saturday 18th November 15:06
Porsche911R said:
So you have paid £7k in warranty, how was that return ?
I would be all over, Ohlins, lightweight flywheel, engine mounts, cup diff and short final drive.
Prob a few new bushes after 10years use.
The car had 2 year warranty when i purchased it. And i renewd it twice for two year at a time. At around about £1,000 per year its a good piece of mind for the expensive mechanical parts. As Isaldiri says a piece of mind.Obviously suspension part and brake and a few other items are not covered for wear and tear.I realy have no intention tuning my car. Like you said a lightweight flywheel and maybe shorter gear may be benificial. But i had herd of a few people changing there gearing and not likeing it.The GT3 is certainley fast enough on our A &B roads.and still too much for a lot of drivers. On a track maybe a different matter, but my car is road based up to now.Hopefull i will be attending a few track days next year. Im sure it will get blasted down the straights by more exotic cars, but to me its they way the car makes you feel.I would be all over, Ohlins, lightweight flywheel, engine mounts, cup diff and short final drive.
Prob a few new bushes after 10years use.
Steve Rance said:
Both cars were arguably the best GT road/track day cars available at their launch, but technology and legislation have created very different cars. I wouldn’t worry about massive bills to come with your 997. 30k miles is nothing for that drivetrain.
It comes down to what car you will prefer driving and value for money. Personally, whilst I’d love a 991GT3 in my garage, it would not be at the expense of losing my 997.1 GT3
I tend to agree with yo Steve. I have herd some people say the 991 PDK they chase the redline and love the shifts, which is great on the track. I feel the 997.1 GT3 gives your more for less in the way of driving. Ok depends on your type of driving.Is it right that the 997 feels a bit more torquer down below??It comes down to what car you will prefer driving and value for money. Personally, whilst I’d love a 991GT3 in my garage, it would not be at the expense of losing my 997.1 GT3
Plus around £45-£50K to change to a 991 GT3. I still cannot drive my car to the limits so will a 991 be easier or worse.
Seems like im doing a good job of talking myself out of a 991.
Edited by evodarren on Monday 20th November 06:53
lowndes said:
Let’s start by saying I haven’t got a 997.1GT3 nor a 991.1GT3 so you may very well take the view that basic shortcoming rather disqualifies the remarks that follow. I couldn’t possibly comment 
What I do have is a 997.2 GT3 and a 991.2 GT3 PDK. So perhaps not totally dissimilar to the options you are considering.
I’ve had the 997.2 GT3 CS for three years now and in that time have added around 20k varied miles.; early morning runs, weekends away, track days, Euro trips. Odometer now shows 38k It came with MPSS, a Bosch battery and a Porsche warranty. I have maintained the warranty but to do so had to change to Cup 2 and Moll. It needed a new starter motor which of course was a warranty item. It required new discs and pads but otherwise has only needed routine maintenance.
It’s not the only car I have available and so it has to appeal for seat time against other contenders. Nevertheless, it does pretty well in that regard and never fails to entertain and delight. Out on the open road it is as fast as I would ever need. On the track a better driver would get much more out of it and may wish to change a few settings. Nothing wrong with that but I’m happy enough with it as it is. Offhand I can’t think of another car that combines the same driver engagement, reliability, practicality and desirability in a single package.
I’m only at 1500 miles in the 991.2 so still running in. However, I have done my PEC half day and have some idea of what it is like when unleashed from the 4k rev limit. For an average driver like me it is an order of magnitude faster and more capable than the 7.2. Without trying it was generating 1.4g lateral on the handling circuit, engine redlining 9k and PDK banging through the gears like a rifle crack. The ride is much better than 7.2, the cabin NVH a full step on. I have folding buckets because the 7.2/CGT lightweight fixed back, which to me are the best seat of all, were not available. Even limited to 4k there is noticeably more torque than 997 and on the recent trip round some Welsh hills it had the driveability of a turbo. Some minor niggles like the cheap feeling carpets and the nasty stick on end plates to the rear spoiler, rather than the lovely one piece item on the 997, grate a little. It has also had to have Safety Services disconnected,a new front strut was replaced under warranty.
Conclusion.
In three years time my guess is that the 991.2 will have moved on and the 997.2 will still be competing for seat time.
Lovely right up.Interesting to here from 2 generations of manual gt3,sWhat I do have is a 997.2 GT3 and a 991.2 GT3 PDK. So perhaps not totally dissimilar to the options you are considering.
I’ve had the 997.2 GT3 CS for three years now and in that time have added around 20k varied miles.; early morning runs, weekends away, track days, Euro trips. Odometer now shows 38k It came with MPSS, a Bosch battery and a Porsche warranty. I have maintained the warranty but to do so had to change to Cup 2 and Moll. It needed a new starter motor which of course was a warranty item. It required new discs and pads but otherwise has only needed routine maintenance.
It’s not the only car I have available and so it has to appeal for seat time against other contenders. Nevertheless, it does pretty well in that regard and never fails to entertain and delight. Out on the open road it is as fast as I would ever need. On the track a better driver would get much more out of it and may wish to change a few settings. Nothing wrong with that but I’m happy enough with it as it is. Offhand I can’t think of another car that combines the same driver engagement, reliability, practicality and desirability in a single package.
I’m only at 1500 miles in the 991.2 so still running in. However, I have done my PEC half day and have some idea of what it is like when unleashed from the 4k rev limit. For an average driver like me it is an order of magnitude faster and more capable than the 7.2. Without trying it was generating 1.4g lateral on the handling circuit, engine redlining 9k and PDK banging through the gears like a rifle crack. The ride is much better than 7.2, the cabin NVH a full step on. I have folding buckets because the 7.2/CGT lightweight fixed back, which to me are the best seat of all, were not available. Even limited to 4k there is noticeably more torque than 997 and on the recent trip round some Welsh hills it had the driveability of a turbo. Some minor niggles like the cheap feeling carpets and the nasty stick on end plates to the rear spoiler, rather than the lovely one piece item on the 997, grate a little. It has also had to have Safety Services disconnected,a new front strut was replaced under warranty.
Conclusion.
In three years time my guess is that the 991.2 will have moved on and the 997.2 will still be competing for seat time.
Can i ask why you think the 997 will stay?.
RDMcG said:
Although my own string of cars are GT3RS the decision process seems basically the same to me.
One way to think about it is:
(1) What is your normal driving pattern?
-Do you live in a city or in a place with lots of empty roads where you can have fun?
-Do you track frequently?
-Do you use your car a lot in cities?
In my case I live in a city centre, get a weekend drive periodically, do a few track days a year, ( non many) and a rally or two.
(2) Are you likely to access the car's performance as a really experienced track driver?
For me I am not a competitive driver, quick enough and have driven lots of tracks, but its for myself. I do not get into trouble or dawdled around but I would class myself as competent average.
I have a friend who is a very famous driver ( LM24 winner), who drive the 7.1RS on the Nordschleife after it was first released. I asked him what he thought;
He said " J**** Ch***, this is a magnificent car for a good driver to drive at 6/10ths, for an excellent driver to drive at 8/10ths and beyond that you'd better be me"....He was dead serious that the car took no prisoners.
As for the cars I did a writeup in Petrolicious (here), and will not bore you by repeating it.
https://petrolicious.com/articles/i-found-porsche-...
My own call was to get a 991RS but to keep an 997 RS also. The hard decision was whether to sell the 7.1 or the 7.2. The 7.2 was a better car, especially aerodynamically with notable better wet grip. Yet the 7.1 was buy first RS and I simply could not bring myself to part with it. SO I kept it.
In the city the 991RS is incomparably better.
It is also a better track car and has simply astonishing wet grip. It can be driven as a DD as well as any regular 911.The 7.1 with its super heavy clutch and unforgiving suspension is a more involving drive to take out and thrash by yourself, a bit more go-kart like in the steering. It is to me not a better or worse car...just different. I fully appreciate that there are drivers and owners here with more talent who will use their cars in more aggressive ways than I do, so take my comments as being from a mid pack owner, no garage queens, not a driving god
...
The cars I hung onto are below. They are keepers. No 991.2RS, but when the 992 arrives I might just add one last one...
I remember reading that article . Fabulous write up
One way to think about it is:
(1) What is your normal driving pattern?
-Do you live in a city or in a place with lots of empty roads where you can have fun?
-Do you track frequently?
-Do you use your car a lot in cities?
In my case I live in a city centre, get a weekend drive periodically, do a few track days a year, ( non many) and a rally or two.
(2) Are you likely to access the car's performance as a really experienced track driver?
For me I am not a competitive driver, quick enough and have driven lots of tracks, but its for myself. I do not get into trouble or dawdled around but I would class myself as competent average.
I have a friend who is a very famous driver ( LM24 winner), who drive the 7.1RS on the Nordschleife after it was first released. I asked him what he thought;
He said " J**** Ch***, this is a magnificent car for a good driver to drive at 6/10ths, for an excellent driver to drive at 8/10ths and beyond that you'd better be me"....He was dead serious that the car took no prisoners.
As for the cars I did a writeup in Petrolicious (here), and will not bore you by repeating it.
https://petrolicious.com/articles/i-found-porsche-...
My own call was to get a 991RS but to keep an 997 RS also. The hard decision was whether to sell the 7.1 or the 7.2. The 7.2 was a better car, especially aerodynamically with notable better wet grip. Yet the 7.1 was buy first RS and I simply could not bring myself to part with it. SO I kept it.
In the city the 991RS is incomparably better.
It is also a better track car and has simply astonishing wet grip. It can be driven as a DD as well as any regular 911.The 7.1 with its super heavy clutch and unforgiving suspension is a more involving drive to take out and thrash by yourself, a bit more go-kart like in the steering. It is to me not a better or worse car...just different. I fully appreciate that there are drivers and owners here with more talent who will use their cars in more aggressive ways than I do, so take my comments as being from a mid pack owner, no garage queens, not a driving god
...The cars I hung onto are below. They are keepers. No 991.2RS, but when the 992 arrives I might just add one last one...
I remember reading that article . Fabulous write up
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