what, other than good looks and faulty enignes does a 997s

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Have over a c63 coupe?

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I had a days test drive in a 997s and found the engine to be, a bit, dare I say it, gutless, had to. Wring it's neck to get it moving and often having to cha he down a. Couple of. Gears roe overtaking. I guess there's always the turbo, but out of my budget hence going for C63. . I loved the cayman I drove, but again gutless. I just love how the 911 looks.

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Phooey said:

I like the C63, had one a few years ago (6.2 with performance pack) and it was always a giggle from the minute you started it up to the moment you’re sliding all over our greasy roads

The 997.2 has it nailed though for quality and drivability. The manual gearbox is very good but I prefer the PDK.

Not sure which model/engine of C63 you’re looking at but depreciation is heavy. All AMGs are.

Yeah its a naughty car isnt it, i am enjoying mine but think maybe id like a 997s next or a turbo if i can stretch to that and if i can find a warranty company that would cover the engine on the 911.
I currently have the 2012 c63 coupe in black, no PP, but had a quaife diff fitted and had it mapped. Its making about 515/480 and its such fun, but it doesnt feel as precise as the 997 did. Its pactical though, i can fit 2 road bikes in the back with the seats down and ive had 29mpg out of it cruising at 70-80 down the m4 to work (Bath to London).

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Mike335i said:

I have realised that so many cars have so much power that they can't really be worked hard or you are going too fast. Sometimes it is just nice to wring a car's neck and keep. Your licence.

Yeah, fair point, i miss my 172 for that respect .

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Phooey said:

I could very easily have another. Would probably try a C63s (4.0) - I thought the move to turbo would ruin it but those that have driven it have been very impressed. Still sounds awesome too. I think the best I got out of my C63 was around 25mpg on 200 mile round trip. Usually in the low teens..

Yeah, its hard not to hoom it around, s+ mode with tc on sport, or if feeling particulalrly daft off totally . I see your car list, youve had some interesting cars .

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this would be nice , but quite high milage: Love the colour and the side profile, looks beautiful.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

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Phooey said:

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this would be nice , but quite high milage: Love the colour and the side profile, looks beautiful.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

It could be a fantastically reliable car, but it also could be a dog. If you're looking at a 997 (especially gen1) you really need to take someone with you that knows how to spot the issues like IMS, bore-scoring, over-revs etc. You could easily get stung for a £10k bill. Pay for a good inspection and aim to get a decent warranty. Rare as rocking horse st, but I'd try and buy a private car with official Porsche Extended Warranty, or look for a gen2 with the stronger dfi engine. Top of the money tree would be a gen2 from an OPC (Official Porsche Centre) with 2yrs Porsche warranty (which you can keep extending until the car is 15yrs old). Not to put you off but 911's can be a money pit.

Yeah it's staggering how they got away with it really as it started with the 996 didn't it rms, ims,. Bore scoring etc. The only other option is a metzger engined car. Gt3 and turbo are out of my price range till I start contracting tho!

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I don't think a C63 would see which way a 997 went.

Context would dictate this one though, on a dual carriageway or A road that would not be the case. On a B road it would be the bravery of the driver that would make the biggest difference. Both are extremely quick cars point to point.

I know from experience the c63 feels a bit floaty above certain speeds. Would need to put the black series to even this out.

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I wonder how the homoglation rally cars would leave these modern cars down a b road though, my merc would kill my evo up the a46 bypass in Bath till it got to the wiggly corners, the the evo would come into its own and corner like a demon. Its a shame these homoglation cars arent made any more - haldex based cars dont do much for me as good as the a45 might feel neutral, it'll never feel rearward driven which is what i loved about the evo.. I struggled not going back to the evo before the c63 but thought id always wanted a v8 muscle \ naughty car and to be honest its the only car ive had since the evo that's made me want to drive for drivings sake, all in all enjoyable with enough toys and nice enough interior for me. One day ill get a 911 though .

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Eddh said:

If you're only in Bath (I'm in Bristol) you're welcome to come and have a go in my 997 C4, I'd quite like to see what a C63 is like...

Yeah, sure that'd be good - let me know when youre free and we can find some good roads and go for a little blast !

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Aluxo said:

My experience:
- The 63 is a torque beast. Point and shoot kind of toy, not too many 911 will keep up for raw pull. Far more practical, nobody will give it a second glance (which is useful if dailying it and leaving on the street), fuel consumption is scary.
- the Porsche is more of an event to get in and drive. Sitting lower, which in traffic can be peculiar, engine starts growling above ~4,000rpm and only pulls above 6,000 (and still nothing like the 63 freight train) and overall better dynamics

Hence: 63 is the family car for motorway journeys (and city use, if you have the Exxon Valdez moored in your backyard), Porsche is the toy for aimless drives. Depends on your intended use but 2 lovely choices

Ive found i can get 29 mpg when on cruise control at 75mph on the m4 going to London of a Monday morning, the trip home is usually 23 as sitting around in west London trying to get back to the m4 theres a lot of stop start so it drops to 25 ish.. Around town its 15-22 ish. I think its rather good considering the size.. My mates m5 with the v10 was dire and thats a 1.3 litres smaller than the Merc, but had 2 more cylinders - not sure on why that would cause worse mpg but yeha he was lucky to get 7-10 around town and on a run 20. Im really happy with my merc and glad i got it, its a brute of a thingand not a, absolute lard ass and i imagine isnt as accurate as the Porsche when it came to handling etc but its got good toys and features. I'm just used to the power now and have noticed that above 120 on the track the rear end feels a bit floaty - so may have to get the black edition wing and canards and bonnet to aid cooling. I think it gets away with the wing quite well without looking chavvy.

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horsesoldiers said:

I know a few people who have owned both (including myself) It would most people who has owned a C63 loves them but then sells very quickly, maybe less than a year. A great engine and soundtrack but kind of pointless as a drivers car and very rarely seen on track. 997 is the drivers car, never had a issue with the lack of lowdown power as the 997 loves to rev. Try both!!

Yeah i've been a fan of the 911's since i was a schoolboy, the 930 turbo was my poster of choice and a lambo of course. I think i'd like a gt3 of sorts if i was going to buy one.
I've done some handling days with the c63 and since having a diff fitted its fantastic, feels really balanced and stable considering its 510 brake and 1700 plus kilos !