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We have just P/exed our much loved Gen 2 RS for a WP RS. Found one at Leeds OPC registered in Oct 2019. The car had only 99 miles recorded! Yes I know I have paid over list though was happy to do so as I have circumnavigated the need to buy the required multiple number of other models and their subsequent depreciation by doing so.
After our Lizard Green it seems quite muted in GT Silver. So far we have covered only an additional 160 more miles. Initial impressions and comparisons are a bit limited other than it is so Quiet! That of course is due to the PPF's; my question is what can be done at a reasonable price? Sharkwerks cannot help, Akrapovich are offering an expensive alternative. Has anyone opened up the rear silencer and removed any or all of the internals and would that work? I ask the question as our Lizard had definetly become quite fruity probably as a result of the 8,800 miles and three track days!
The car is currently at Lichtfield having their spray on PPF applied, seven coats apparently. I decided that I didn't wish to risk all that exposed Carbon Fibre to chipping. I was very impressed by Lichtfields help, advice and experience. Ian Lichtfield took the time to show us all around his facilities, all in all it is very impressive well run establishment.
We will collect the car in a couple of days time which won't be a moment too soon by which time our Reg No. GT03MOL will be in place. Hopefully by then the weather will have improved and the driving can begin.
After our Lizard Green it seems quite muted in GT Silver. So far we have covered only an additional 160 more miles. Initial impressions and comparisons are a bit limited other than it is so Quiet! That of course is due to the PPF's; my question is what can be done at a reasonable price? Sharkwerks cannot help, Akrapovich are offering an expensive alternative. Has anyone opened up the rear silencer and removed any or all of the internals and would that work? I ask the question as our Lizard had definetly become quite fruity probably as a result of the 8,800 miles and three track days!
The car is currently at Lichtfield having their spray on PPF applied, seven coats apparently. I decided that I didn't wish to risk all that exposed Carbon Fibre to chipping. I was very impressed by Lichtfields help, advice and experience. Ian Lichtfield took the time to show us all around his facilities, all in all it is very impressive well run establishment.
We will collect the car in a couple of days time which won't be a moment too soon by which time our Reg No. GT03MOL will be in place. Hopefully by then the weather will have improved and the driving can begin.
My Lizard had reached the lofty heights of 8,800 miles, hefty depreciation was imminent, the time of year to change was perfect. I found for me the perfect car with virtually zero miles. It didn't have the mag wheels which was more than reflected in the asking price. Were I to add them as an after market purchase I am still winning based on the P/ex allowance that I was given! I consider like others the wheels to be a liability due to the fact that they cannot be refurbished something that can be substantiated by the number of people who have the original alloys fitted and the mags tucked away in a box. I also did not want or desire a grey or black car. Justifying the price to change was a little difficult at first though clearly I manged to do so. GT3RS's will always be special the Weissach Pack version even more so.
Incidentally our buying history to date equates to 3 x new Aston Martins Vantages (never again), 991 GT3, 991GT3RS, 981GT4, 991GT3 4.0 ltr, 991 GT3RS Gen 2 and now 991GT3RS WP. Somewhere in the middle of all that also a 991 911 convertible. We have driven an average of 9,000 trouble free miles a year and loved every single mile. We have lost very little money in depreciation in fact quite the reverse. I could make the jump to the WP and chose to do so.
My wife Amanda (Molly) is a total car nut, she loves driving and adores the RS; what pleases her pleases me.We are so looking forward to this year and the adventures that we will have with driving it. Incidentally her Golf GTI Performance Pack was changed 3 weeks ago for a new Golf R. In the real World does anyone need any more than that car provides.
Incidentally our buying history to date equates to 3 x new Aston Martins Vantages (never again), 991 GT3, 991GT3RS, 981GT4, 991GT3 4.0 ltr, 991 GT3RS Gen 2 and now 991GT3RS WP. Somewhere in the middle of all that also a 991 911 convertible. We have driven an average of 9,000 trouble free miles a year and loved every single mile. We have lost very little money in depreciation in fact quite the reverse. I could make the jump to the WP and chose to do so.
My wife Amanda (Molly) is a total car nut, she loves driving and adores the RS; what pleases her pleases me.We are so looking forward to this year and the adventures that we will have with driving it. Incidentally her Golf GTI Performance Pack was changed 3 weeks ago for a new Golf R. In the real World does anyone need any more than that car provides.
DomT87 said:
I saw this on Insta, your 8500 miles is way behind my 12k and counting! Just booked in for its 4 year service, be right back selling a kidney.....
Not sure what the noise will be like of my new .3 with all this GPF nonsense tho. eek.
I also didn't spec the magnesium wheels although in the last few months I've kinda come around to them, they look epic. But scuffs would be tricky even with insurance, just one more thing to worry about. I keep telling myself that anyway.
We have averaged 9000 miles a year over a 5 year period in our GT cars.Not sure what the noise will be like of my new .3 with all this GPF nonsense tho. eek.
I also didn't spec the magnesium wheels although in the last few months I've kinda come around to them, they look epic. But scuffs would be tricky even with insurance, just one more thing to worry about. I keep telling myself that anyway.
Claret m said:
MollyGT3 said:
You guys are joking right?
Our May 2018 Lizard with about 8,500 miles has gone in against a late October 2019 WP with 99 miles. Happy days
As for the mag wheels, well we will actually use the car so the mags would just have been a liability - imagine scuffing one!
Colour-wise - the darker the colour the less recognisable the car is as a Weissach Pack so we are happy with GT Silver - classic - right?!
What Robgt is lacking is a sensible wife who would have talked him out of the deal
Well done on the new car. Leeds are listing your old car with 7733 miles, is that correct?Our May 2018 Lizard with about 8,500 miles has gone in against a late October 2019 WP with 99 miles. Happy days
As for the mag wheels, well we will actually use the car so the mags would just have been a liability - imagine scuffing one!
Colour-wise - the darker the colour the less recognisable the car is as a Weissach Pack so we are happy with GT Silver - classic - right?!
What Robgt is lacking is a sensible wife who would have talked him out of the deal
TDT said:
hunter 66 said:
Porsche911R said:
imo they would feel the same to drive on the same wheels, cannot see how you would notice other wise.
the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
That makes sense ...in the real world the WP car is 18kg lighter, so not notable really, the PPF was offset by removing the sides of the exhaust so a bit of weight out there by default, but a worse sound sadly.
you notice wheel weights hence the MAGS are a must have, and you notice true weight loss in the seat at about 50kg savings imo.
the cars not true ITB as it still has the same single intake plenum.
if you have come off a steel disk car with cage, to a WP car with PCCBS and mags I would hope you would notice the unsprung mass.
As for PFF cars performance this is more tricky as they restrict top end in other cars and tests, so I would bet the older car might pull away at speed over a PFF car once above 120 mph. that would be a great test, but it would have to be on cars with like for like wheels and disks.
Porsche have prob hidden a 15/20 BHP ECU upgrade to cover the difference I would say without quoting any real headline press figures.
If I were buying a RS I would want a pre PPF car and I would just fit a light weight Battery a ti exhaust some BBS Fi-R wheels and remove the cage.
imo it would be the better lighter car and of course would sound better and save you £40k !
angussampson said:
Congratulations on your new motor Gt3 Rob and Molly :-)
Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
Hardly driven it so far so difficult to make a comparison. Can you advise why you think the previous car was about to take a depreciation hit please. I’m not sure I understand why... I thought new shiny cars were more mileage sensitive, although I’ve never owned such a car, I’m looking at a manual gt3 but wondering if I’d prefer an RS as they are the pinnacle in most people’s eyes and relatively little more if you look as asking prices ( unless it’s yellow, which are great value) :-)
Is the new car any better than the previous model in your view ?
Well it is home at last after a visit to Litchfield who have applied 12 coats of their PPS ( Plastic Protection Spray) to include 1 of lacquer. The paintwork was adjudged to be very good and needed very little attention before doing so. It is worth saying what an extremely efficient, organised and nice company they are to deal with. The attention to detail they undertook was amazing; unlike conventional PPF there are no edges to be seen plus the spray is much more resistant to chipping damage. amongst the plethora of 1,000 BHP Nissan GTR's I was really surprised to see so many Porsche's who were all in to have Litchfield's magic worked on them. A certain Chris Harris has his cars fettled there as well, we saw 2 of them.
Anyway our new RS. Difficult to describe too many differences as we have only driven to Litchfield from Leeds and then back home. After much debate we have decided our Lizard made us smile from the moment I opened the garage doors to closing them. This Silver Weissach car just looks a lot more serious!
There is no doubt the sound initially is a little muted which is where this post first started. I'm now assured things music up as the revs rise; time will tell as I don't think I have ventured past 4000 rpm. Pick up is definetly quicker, the gearchanging even faster both of which must be down to the individual throttle bodies. Of couse it feels brilliant to be back in this awesome car as it was in our Lizard, this one has dialed things up even more.
All this begs the question was it worth the not unsubstantial amount we needed to change? Course it was!
Anyway our new RS. Difficult to describe too many differences as we have only driven to Litchfield from Leeds and then back home. After much debate we have decided our Lizard made us smile from the moment I opened the garage doors to closing them. This Silver Weissach car just looks a lot more serious!
There is no doubt the sound initially is a little muted which is where this post first started. I'm now assured things music up as the revs rise; time will tell as I don't think I have ventured past 4000 rpm. Pick up is definetly quicker, the gearchanging even faster both of which must be down to the individual throttle bodies. Of couse it feels brilliant to be back in this awesome car as it was in our Lizard, this one has dialed things up even more.
All this begs the question was it worth the not unsubstantial amount we needed to change? Course it was!
Juno said:
Thank you we are rather pleased.
Don't you just love the knockers? It's slower than the Gen 2 ( which we owned) No it isn't! Porsche never go backwards! The PPF's increase back pressure which reduce the top end! Total nonsense . Porsche never go backwards! Is there a time or a service interval when the car determines when its clogged up filters are cleared? No, the engine when hot just burns the particles off hence they never need any attention. Porsche never goes backwards! So much love and respect for their GT Products as Number 6 resides in our garage all of which have averaged at least 8000 miles a year.
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