The $1.8m Ultimate 911

[julian987R]

Singer was always next level, and now its another whole level again!

Porsche 911 DLS Reimagined By Singer: On-Board & Up-Close With The $1.8m Ultimate 911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQPNw5A2AQ

That has to be the ultimate Porsche on the planet!

[julian987R]

SRT Hellcat said:

MDL111 said:

IMI A said:

ultimate 911

https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/cars/...

Yup that would be the one for me

agreed. No doubt in my mind

The Singer, no doubt in my mind. That RS, despite its importance and rarity, is like a bag of spanners in comparison.

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

IMI A said:

I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA

I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.

Morning I Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....

You can just hear the conversation

"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...

and

"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"

Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.

But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...

I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.

It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.

Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention we (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it)

It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.

Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.

Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity we in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility.

Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.

That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...

I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.

I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.

P.S

And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".

As you were

The RS at The Hairpin Company has 22,000 miles. As a 27 year old car that equates to 814 miles a year......which is LESS than the Singers. By your math, the Singers would equate to 86,400 miles over such a duration.

Whats your point again?

"Three subsequent owners have enjoyed the RS and looked after it carefully"
I suspect that involved 'cotton-wool'

Sure you may disagree,I respect your preference yet we are entitled to have different opinions, so why call me names?

[julian987R]

Yellow491 said:

julian987R said:

Slippydiff said:

IMI A said:

I'm being mean I'd let Rob build a car for me if it looked and felt slightly more attainable. Attainabilty and simplicity is an important part of the 911 DNA

I think this is more the sort of person Singer is targeted at. Obviously quite a few about as they're all sold out. I like it in triple black...less tarty.

Morning I Nice enough/lovely car, though I thought the owner came across as little more than a pretentious pr*ck....

You can just hear the conversation

"Guys, can you crowbar a moody/atmospheric shot of my watch into the video" ...

and

"The reason I chose the fixed rear wing was to save 7-10lbs"

Pretentious twaddle springs to mind.

But lets get down to the nitty gritty. The four Singer commissions that have sold on Collecting Cars over the past 12 months have averaged 3200 miles each since being restored 6 years ago. However those figures are somewhat skewed as the oldest car of the four is now 8 years old and has been driven nearly 9000 miles, so the other three have actually averaged 1250 miles in the six years since being restored, or roughly 17 miles a month...

I have to admit to having fallen victim to the Singer/Dickinson Kool Aid, I used to think these cars were the ultimate aircooled daily driver, and they would be just that, daily drivers driven by oh so cool enthusiasts.

It’s now increasingly clear they’re little more than trinkets that many of their owners consider to be objet d’art, and the DLS has only further reinforced that perspective.

Rob Dickinson is without a doubt the consummate salesman/media attention we (and fair play to him, he’s bloody good at it)

It appears he now has some pretty serious financial backer/s, and they'll no doubt want a return on their investment. What was once a rather quaint and admirable “cottage industry” is turning into a another corporate entity, effectively "mass producing" these cars, and to that end, I think I’m correct in saying the “standard” Singer commissions are being churned out at the rate of 3-4 a month now.

Alan Sugar once said of Katie Hopkins : “She’d turn up to the opening of an envelope if she got an invite”.
One can’t help but feel the same applies to a certain Mr Harris when given the opportunity to garner further publicity for himself.

Dickinson no doubt saw a kindred spirit/publicity we in Harris and realised he’d give Singer some further credibility.

Don’t get me wrong, I still like and respect Dickinson and his ethos, but if I hear another journalist say he's a car designer, I'll scream, as by Dickinson's own admission, he embarked on a car design course at Coventry University, but quickly realised he enjoyed being in a band more, and thus decided to persue that instead. I'm sure he knows a damn sight more about car design than I ever will, but a car designer he ain't. As others have said, he's re-engineered/hot rodded a 911 beautifully, but design it ? No.
The designer tag is better applied to the likes of Horatio Pagani and Christian Koenigsegg.

That's not to say I don't appreciate the engineering and attention to detail in all the Singer builds, I do, but one can't help but feel Dickinson/his backers are now building the brand with a view to ...

I’d respect the Singer ethos more if he’d chosen the Eagle E Type/GTO Engineering approach : that being low profile, low volume, minimal publicity etc, rather than the “Instagram” approach he (and his financial backers ?) have decided upon.

I may be wrong in all the above, and if over the next 5-10 ten years we see the odd DLS being used in the manner Rowan Atkinson used his F1 (or travel stained whilst being thrashed mercilessly around europe) I'll happily be corrected.

P.S

And Julian, you're a heathen. The 3.8 RS is the finest and rarest iteration of a normally aspirated 964 ever built. Engineered and built by racers, for racers, to win races. They weren't designed to spend their lives in some oligarch's anonymous collection, wrapped up in cotton wool in a dehumidified, air conditioned tomb.
The car at The Hairpin Company is infinitely more cool than any of Singer's "Faberge eggs".

As you were

The RS at The Hairpin Company has 22,000 miles. As a 27 year old car that equates to 814 miles a year......which is LESS than the Singers. By your math, the Singers would equate to 86,400 miles over such a duration.

Whats your point again?

"Three subsequent owners have enjoyed the RS and looked after it carefully"
I suspect that involved 'cotton-wool'

Sure you may disagree,I respect your preference yet we are entitled to have different opinions, so why call me names?

May be it was your statements of always a level above,next level,ultimate 911 that stirred slippy up.

Go try the 3.8 rs,3.8rsr is a true level above the rs again,as for ultimate 911 well there are many to choose from and a singer aint one of them for me, the williams engine is a wicked bit of engineering, dare i say it copied from a couple of unique 4 cam half 917 engines that money cant buy that look proper period motors.

I do think it fair to table what I said, that "Singer was always next level, and now its another whole level again!"

no matter what your taste is, one can't question they are next level in modified Porsches.

The 'ultimate' is what Cerfection are saying, then again I do agree with them....but I'm splitting hairs now in my reasoning.

It would be a dull world if we all liked the same thing, but an unpleasant world if we resort to name calling just if one is in disagreement. Best regards

[julian987R]

Whilst I kickstarted this thread and have expressed my preference of the Singer, for those that understandably disagree, you may like this article

Four of the most radical air-cooled Porsche 911s ever made:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/sponsored...

[julian987R]

We may soon see the most expensive Porsche ever sold/valued at an expected $16Million

https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-917k-from-steve-m...

Edited by julian987R on Thursday 15th July 22:50