I think I have decided to buy a 996 Turbo manual...
Discussion
Hello all..
I'm not frequent around here, but keep meaning to get more involved (PH in general that is.)..
Anyway.. Over the past two years I have been thinking about my next keeper purchase. It was between either a C/E/CL 63 Merc (M156 6.2 litre) or some manner of a Porsche..
I've flip flopped a lot, but I think i'm finally set on a manual 996 Turbo.. call me crazy but I like the 996 styling. I haven't been sure about either a Tip or Manual.. But all my whips have recently been out of action and i've been driving my mothers manual diesel MK 7 Golf..it has reminded how much fun and engaging a manual box can be....but also what a nuisance it is as a daily, in traffic.
So anyway.. here I am and that's my current plan. I'm not too pushed on X50 or not.. and i'm also not sure I am bothered about pre/post facelift.
One thing I do like about the 996 is how manual it is supposed to be etc.. and that the pre-facelift has drive by cable..
...Also.. while I don't want this to turn into another "market/prices thread.." I am thinking to get my ducks in a row and start test driving in the new year when I think prices will have had a time to correct a bit.
It feels like right now there is talk of a correction...hopefully in the new year prices might see a bit of sense, but who knows. I will be looking at max £40k I think. I won't be seeking massively low miles, but I think 90 will be my max.
I plan on maintaining this myself, as I do with all my cars. But I think for this car, my most valuable to date, I would still maintain a specialist service history for oil changes.
Now I have a few questions:
- If you were in the market for one of these what would be your make or break items?
- Are there any decent drink holder mods for the gen 1?
- What do I need to buy in order to be able to plug in and check over rev counters? Does the 996 show over revs in stages.. or just a single counter? Does that diag work as a good workshop system?
Thanks a lot guys.
I'm not frequent around here, but keep meaning to get more involved (PH in general that is.)..
Anyway.. Over the past two years I have been thinking about my next keeper purchase. It was between either a C/E/CL 63 Merc (M156 6.2 litre) or some manner of a Porsche..
I've flip flopped a lot, but I think i'm finally set on a manual 996 Turbo.. call me crazy but I like the 996 styling. I haven't been sure about either a Tip or Manual.. But all my whips have recently been out of action and i've been driving my mothers manual diesel MK 7 Golf..it has reminded how much fun and engaging a manual box can be....but also what a nuisance it is as a daily, in traffic.
So anyway.. here I am and that's my current plan. I'm not too pushed on X50 or not.. and i'm also not sure I am bothered about pre/post facelift.
One thing I do like about the 996 is how manual it is supposed to be etc.. and that the pre-facelift has drive by cable..
...Also.. while I don't want this to turn into another "market/prices thread.." I am thinking to get my ducks in a row and start test driving in the new year when I think prices will have had a time to correct a bit.
It feels like right now there is talk of a correction...hopefully in the new year prices might see a bit of sense, but who knows. I will be looking at max £40k I think. I won't be seeking massively low miles, but I think 90 will be my max.
I plan on maintaining this myself, as I do with all my cars. But I think for this car, my most valuable to date, I would still maintain a specialist service history for oil changes.
Now I have a few questions:
- If you were in the market for one of these what would be your make or break items?
- Are there any decent drink holder mods for the gen 1?
- What do I need to buy in order to be able to plug in and check over rev counters? Does the 996 show over revs in stages.. or just a single counter? Does that diag work as a good workshop system?
Thanks a lot guys.
irish boy said:
Brilliant cars would love one myself. They seem able to swallow large amounts of money to keep them tip top!
There’s one in the classifieds currently that’s just had £22k spent on a general mechanical refresh. That’s the kind of thing I’d be looking for. Still a fast car today and feels it.
Agree on the styling too I like it and would put it ahead of the 997tt especially around the rear.
Hi mateThere’s one in the classifieds currently that’s just had £22k spent on a general mechanical refresh. That’s the kind of thing I’d be looking for. Still a fast car today and feels it.
Agree on the styling too I like it and would put it ahead of the 997tt especially around the rear.
What one is that? Got a link please?
Hi everybody
Thank you for the phenomenal response!
I can't seem to easily quote the various replies, so i'll just response in essay form
My plan is to keep this car for quite some time.. so the Mezger engine is "the one" for me..
Adverts showing lot's of money spent are very odd to me.. why would somebody spend a shed load of money and then offload the car..but on the other hand, when the say "xyz big number recently spent" it could have been in the last 2 years.. which I have personally seen happen.. which in actuality is just really maintenance or a neglected car getting caught up to pass an MOT..
In fairness to the one with 22k spent.. that is for sale from specialist, Weissach UK, which probably did the work to get it saleworthy and at cost by employed mechanics. That said, it seems to have a heap of new parts fitted which can only be a good thing. 12 month 3rd party warranty too..
Oh, and bit shout out to @97jhp - many thanks for your response and I am sure I might hit your DMs with specific questions, when I have them..
I've also been looking at the mileage.. it seems like my budget will allow me something as low as 70k+ miles.. Part of me wants a 70k max car.. but then another part of me says anything 85+ is fine also.. it depends on maintenance I guess..
Since posting last, I have narrowed down what I am looking for.. which currently stands at:
When I am serious about buying I am going to get a Durametric setup as I will absolutely be checking over-revs.
Follow up questions ..
Thank you for the phenomenal response!
I can't seem to easily quote the various replies, so i'll just response in essay form
My plan is to keep this car for quite some time.. so the Mezger engine is "the one" for me..
Adverts showing lot's of money spent are very odd to me.. why would somebody spend a shed load of money and then offload the car..but on the other hand, when the say "xyz big number recently spent" it could have been in the last 2 years.. which I have personally seen happen.. which in actuality is just really maintenance or a neglected car getting caught up to pass an MOT..
In fairness to the one with 22k spent.. that is for sale from specialist, Weissach UK, which probably did the work to get it saleworthy and at cost by employed mechanics. That said, it seems to have a heap of new parts fitted which can only be a good thing. 12 month 3rd party warranty too..
Oh, and bit shout out to @97jhp - many thanks for your response and I am sure I might hit your DMs with specific questions, when I have them..
I've also been looking at the mileage.. it seems like my budget will allow me something as low as 70k+ miles.. Part of me wants a 70k max car.. but then another part of me says anything 85+ is fine also.. it depends on maintenance I guess..
Since posting last, I have narrowed down what I am looking for.. which currently stands at:
- Budget £40-45k - Could probably stretch a bit more for a really good example which has had something like new top range rubber, clutch, discs etc.
- Black / Silver / Grey
- Manual
- Aero kit ideally, so that I don't have to worry about the hydraulic wing issues in the future. I also love the aero wing.
- Black leather (possibly blue on silver car)
When I am serious about buying I am going to get a Durametric setup as I will absolutely be checking over-revs.
Follow up questions ..
- What's the story with turbos? I see some (more than i'd like) adverts talking about rebuilt turbos.. sounds expensive. What does it cost to have them rebuilt (excluding labour to remove as I would DIY that.)
- My friends says that from the research he has done, the most desirable 996 is a C4S. I just simply doubt that and would assume normal pecking order of models.. not to mention the issue with IMS / Borescore not on the Mezger lumps.. Price would also dictate that he is wrong.. although I didn't want to get into it with him, because I would just sound bitter / biased. Don't get me wrong though.. the C4S is a lovely motor and borescore wasn't an issue i'd be having one due to it's turbo looks and naturally aspirated engine.
Also guys.. what's the story with maintenance?
I am a keen enthusiast not afraid of any job probably with the exception of programming an ECU or major engine work.. I will do everything else myself. I service all my own cars, but this 911 I will be getting it outsourced to keep the book in order.
I know these cars are known to consume large amounts of money, which isn't necessarily a problem, but desirable to avoid.
I'd be putting 3k (4k MAX) a year on mine.. and DIY'ing a lot of work.. surely that won't be crazy money.
I'm sure parts will be expensive.. how would they compare to Mercedes for example?
What are the big ticket items that hurt when needed? Clutch I believe is a big one.. what about those turbos? How reliable is the dry sump system and is there much scheduled maintenance on it?
Also.. What's it like to work on in general?
I am a keen enthusiast not afraid of any job probably with the exception of programming an ECU or major engine work.. I will do everything else myself. I service all my own cars, but this 911 I will be getting it outsourced to keep the book in order.
I know these cars are known to consume large amounts of money, which isn't necessarily a problem, but desirable to avoid.
I'd be putting 3k (4k MAX) a year on mine.. and DIY'ing a lot of work.. surely that won't be crazy money.
I'm sure parts will be expensive.. how would they compare to Mercedes for example?
What are the big ticket items that hurt when needed? Clutch I believe is a big one.. what about those turbos? How reliable is the dry sump system and is there much scheduled maintenance on it?
Also.. What's it like to work on in general?
Thanks everybody.
Yes it sounds like I need to find a well maintained example. What are the steps in doing that? Porsche specialist PPI and a solid OPC + Specialist service book?
Can we do any more than that?
Regarding the Merc 63. I feel like I've kind of scratched the merc itch so to speak with my R230 SL 500 which I can use if I want to go on a comfy drive.
The 911 in some guise really is the one this time around.. I've wanted to scratch that itch in forever.
To whoever said the C4S sounds great......thank you! I've spent the evening listening to it on YouTube and it sounds great in comparison to the turbo.. but I do really like the turbo looks.
Since I've spent the last week or so eyeing up the turbo.. a 996 without the rear quarter vents seems plain. Its a real quandary because the C4S is a lot cheaper.
Yes it sounds like I need to find a well maintained example. What are the steps in doing that? Porsche specialist PPI and a solid OPC + Specialist service book?
Can we do any more than that?
Regarding the Merc 63. I feel like I've kind of scratched the merc itch so to speak with my R230 SL 500 which I can use if I want to go on a comfy drive.
The 911 in some guise really is the one this time around.. I've wanted to scratch that itch in forever.
To whoever said the C4S sounds great......thank you! I've spent the evening listening to it on YouTube and it sounds great in comparison to the turbo.. but I do really like the turbo looks.
Since I've spent the last week or so eyeing up the turbo.. a 996 without the rear quarter vents seems plain. Its a real quandary because the C4S is a lot cheaper.
BTW, FYI..
Here is the one with 22k spent on it. Seems like it had the kitchen sink thrown at it. I wonder how rough it was before?
According to total car check. Last V5 issued date is Feb 2020.
If you scroll down on the link you will see its been for sale the last 6 months and is currently for sale at 8k less than May asking price.
I wonder what these were trading for in Feb 2020.
https://totalcarcheck.co.uk/FreeCheck?regno=+VO03j...
It ticks all the boxes for me with the exception of aero kit..
If the work that is advertised was actually done and the engine not ragged this seems like a nice enough buy, on paper and makes the price fairly reasonable.
But you need to wonder why all that work was needed in the first place.. or is that being a bit too suspicious ?
Here is the one with 22k spent on it. Seems like it had the kitchen sink thrown at it. I wonder how rough it was before?
According to total car check. Last V5 issued date is Feb 2020.
If you scroll down on the link you will see its been for sale the last 6 months and is currently for sale at 8k less than May asking price.
I wonder what these were trading for in Feb 2020.
https://totalcarcheck.co.uk/FreeCheck?regno=+VO03j...
It ticks all the boxes for me with the exception of aero kit..
If the work that is advertised was actually done and the engine not ragged this seems like a nice enough buy, on paper and makes the price fairly reasonable.
But you need to wonder why all that work was needed in the first place.. or is that being a bit too suspicious ?
Edited by fourwheeler on Tuesday 15th November 22:58
Thank you everybody for the continued input.
I take on board that the car is very much in the super car performance bracket, of that period and that comes with complexity and costs.
However, I thin that can be mitigated largely by doing a lot of DIY work, in the sense that if there are any issues, i'll just park it up in my garage and go at it when time permits - I won't be stuck for transport. A specialist has just said to be simply.. if a £5k bill would ruin your year, then don't buy one.. if it wouldn't, then consider and have your research done.
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Since my last discussion I have considered 3 alternatives.
1. 996 C4S
2. 996 C2
3. 997 C2S
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1. There doesn't seem to be a "reasonably priced" one for sale right now that doesn't have a crap MOT history. Then you have borescore to contend with.
2. I can't have this because the bodykit on them seems dated to me. The front bumper hasn't aged well, imho.
3. Yes, I could absolutely go for one of these. More keenly priced than a 996 Turbo, fruit exhaust and nice power.
So, in summary I really would settle for a 997 C2S .. but I really don't want to have borescore issues on my mind and the potential of that big bill from Hartech. Let's call it £10. I mean if I drop £20 on a 997 C2S and it needs another £10k later on, i'll be pretty peeved at that and regret not buying the 996 Turbo.
I'm sure that borescoring might be overhyped, but one would want to be mentally prepared for the rebuild. I suppose I could look for a rebuilt one....
So... i'm kind of back to the Turbo.. and is that a bad thing? I mean it looks fairly mean, and by most accounts it's fairly potent...I also really do like the style inc. the lights...
I take on board that the car is very much in the super car performance bracket, of that period and that comes with complexity and costs.
However, I thin that can be mitigated largely by doing a lot of DIY work, in the sense that if there are any issues, i'll just park it up in my garage and go at it when time permits - I won't be stuck for transport. A specialist has just said to be simply.. if a £5k bill would ruin your year, then don't buy one.. if it wouldn't, then consider and have your research done.
...
Since my last discussion I have considered 3 alternatives.
1. 996 C4S
2. 996 C2
3. 997 C2S
--
1. There doesn't seem to be a "reasonably priced" one for sale right now that doesn't have a crap MOT history. Then you have borescore to contend with.
2. I can't have this because the bodykit on them seems dated to me. The front bumper hasn't aged well, imho.
3. Yes, I could absolutely go for one of these. More keenly priced than a 996 Turbo, fruit exhaust and nice power.
So, in summary I really would settle for a 997 C2S .. but I really don't want to have borescore issues on my mind and the potential of that big bill from Hartech. Let's call it £10. I mean if I drop £20 on a 997 C2S and it needs another £10k later on, i'll be pretty peeved at that and regret not buying the 996 Turbo.
I'm sure that borescoring might be overhyped, but one would want to be mentally prepared for the rebuild. I suppose I could look for a rebuilt one....
So... i'm kind of back to the Turbo.. and is that a bad thing? I mean it looks fairly mean, and by most accounts it's fairly potent...I also really do like the style inc. the lights...
This is a fantastic with a broad range of opinions and insight... which is very much appreciated.
I also cannot believe that we have gotten to 4 pages without any flames or arguments about something being better than the other.. rare for 2022 internet lol
Anyway.. i've been doing some thinking.. and my current thoughts are:
I've really enjoyed driving manual lately and understand the desire for a manual sports car. That said, I find myself driving it a bit racy.. in the sense that I am chasing the next gear change. That's fine in a 1.6 TDI Golf.. but I imagine it might get me into trouble in a 911 Turbo. I think I also remember myself being quite racy in my Clio 172 Cup, also. I still have the Clio and that will be kitted out as very track oriented soon.. so i'll have that for my proper blasting thrills.
I also need to remember that I will be back in London soon and frankly cruising around London in stop start traffic would be a pain in the manual when I am so used to auto.
Then we have the cabrio. Well the weather is generally quite good in London and I found myself driving my SL with top down, a huge amount. In fact I wouldn't drive in the Nov-Feb .. and outside that I found I could have roof down all the time pretty much. I really enjoyed it with the v8 exhaust note. I feel like I would like to repeat that with the 911, as I don't see it being a winter car either.
Also, on the auto box. Does it have a sport mode? Can it be retrofitted, because I know MB have them. Are they all MB boxes? Is there much in the way of mods to the box to improve it. I seem to recall Alex on LegitStreetCars fitted an aftermarket valve body to his W211 E55 and made the gear changes faster (albeit a bit more brutal). Also, if no sport does it always start in 1st or 2nd gear? I know MB start in 2nd, but sport is 1st. Curious.
And much to my surprise, it would appear that the cabrios attract a slight premium. Is that just me, or would you agree? I am surprised to be honest, I thought the typical Porsche enthusiast would like a coupe with no sun roof (sports car).
With the X50, it's a nice to have. If there were two suitable cars and one had an X50 for a few extra grand i'd probably opt for it.
I have something else (non car related) potentially in flight at the moment, so the 911 will potentially not be ready to buy until say Q2 next year.. but that's fine by me. I'm kind of curious to hold on and see if prices cool a little more. From my current research of late.. anything I pump into TotalCarCheck shows the cars for sale price dropping a bit.. so who knows.
In any case.. this is very enjoyable and you guys are helping a lot. Thank you!!
I also cannot believe that we have gotten to 4 pages without any flames or arguments about something being better than the other.. rare for 2022 internet lol
Anyway.. i've been doing some thinking.. and my current thoughts are:
- Tiptronic
- Cabriolet
- Possibly X50 .. f*** it, why not.
I've really enjoyed driving manual lately and understand the desire for a manual sports car. That said, I find myself driving it a bit racy.. in the sense that I am chasing the next gear change. That's fine in a 1.6 TDI Golf.. but I imagine it might get me into trouble in a 911 Turbo. I think I also remember myself being quite racy in my Clio 172 Cup, also. I still have the Clio and that will be kitted out as very track oriented soon.. so i'll have that for my proper blasting thrills.
I also need to remember that I will be back in London soon and frankly cruising around London in stop start traffic would be a pain in the manual when I am so used to auto.
Then we have the cabrio. Well the weather is generally quite good in London and I found myself driving my SL with top down, a huge amount. In fact I wouldn't drive in the Nov-Feb .. and outside that I found I could have roof down all the time pretty much. I really enjoyed it with the v8 exhaust note. I feel like I would like to repeat that with the 911, as I don't see it being a winter car either.
Also, on the auto box. Does it have a sport mode? Can it be retrofitted, because I know MB have them. Are they all MB boxes? Is there much in the way of mods to the box to improve it. I seem to recall Alex on LegitStreetCars fitted an aftermarket valve body to his W211 E55 and made the gear changes faster (albeit a bit more brutal). Also, if no sport does it always start in 1st or 2nd gear? I know MB start in 2nd, but sport is 1st. Curious.
And much to my surprise, it would appear that the cabrios attract a slight premium. Is that just me, or would you agree? I am surprised to be honest, I thought the typical Porsche enthusiast would like a coupe with no sun roof (sports car).
With the X50, it's a nice to have. If there were two suitable cars and one had an X50 for a few extra grand i'd probably opt for it.
I have something else (non car related) potentially in flight at the moment, so the 911 will potentially not be ready to buy until say Q2 next year.. but that's fine by me. I'm kind of curious to hold on and see if prices cool a little more. From my current research of late.. anything I pump into TotalCarCheck shows the cars for sale price dropping a bit.. so who knows.
In any case.. this is very enjoyable and you guys are helping a lot. Thank you!!
So i've been browsing and it's been a lot of fun...
I was browsing the £50k range on AutoTrader earlier for high powered petrol coupe/cabrios .. £50k get's you a LOT of car! We are talking fresh Bentley GTC .. Aston Martin .. R8 V10 Plus.. 991 911 and some 997 Turbos.
..but keeping on the main topic, there is this lush looking 1 owner low mile 996 Turbo. Boxster red interior is a bit marmite. Kind of nice to look in the window, but i'm unsure about being surrounded by it for any period of time.
In my opinion, the best colour combos on a car are navy on cream leather and silver on red leather. (there is a similar R230 SL600 on there too).
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211141...
I would say that 90% in the current 50k range will still depreciate on usual trajectory.. but the 996/997 Turbo should not.. I guess? (With the exception of correction of current market).
I've been browsing and in the past month / 6 weeks it would appear that 10% has come off most of the asking prices for most 911s. Some a bit more.. It also appears there are some higher mile ones with considerably higher asking prices. It's like the guys valued them themselves and just listed the car without checking other adverts.
Also .. I have a petrol head friend who is convinced i'm making the wrong choice if I go auto box. He is convinced I will regret it. I am having a hard time figuring that. Now, while my SL500 is an auto box, it's the 7G tronic MB version.. I just love cruising around in it. Manual shifting is cack on it.. but if I want to blast around I just hit the sport button.. which livens up the throttle and also holds gears longer.
Admittedly, the 996 box is the older 5 speed, and while "bulletproof" is supposedly ridiculously slow at changing speeds. It also doesn't have sport mode in the 996... so perhaps he has a point.
In the middle ground.. I have an old clapped out project L322 4.2 Supercharged Range Rover, which is a ZF 5 speed, no sport mode. It's good fun to blast around in as when you get up in the revs it is lively enough. That said, blasting off from a standstill you really do notice how sluggish the box is. It's fine in the RR as I just bought it cheap and happy tidy it up. But for the 996 I would probably be peeved if the box was like that in the RR.
If I did buy the auto box it would be mainly down to driving style and requirements (London traffic).. I would probably be buying it knowing that I will probably want to do the following to the box:
- Upgrade the valve body
- Do a map on the TCU
- Get sport mode installed for the box/engine
Has anybody got any experience with these mods?
.. Perhaps I need to get into a TipTronic and see what it's like.
I was browsing the £50k range on AutoTrader earlier for high powered petrol coupe/cabrios .. £50k get's you a LOT of car! We are talking fresh Bentley GTC .. Aston Martin .. R8 V10 Plus.. 991 911 and some 997 Turbos.
..but keeping on the main topic, there is this lush looking 1 owner low mile 996 Turbo. Boxster red interior is a bit marmite. Kind of nice to look in the window, but i'm unsure about being surrounded by it for any period of time.
In my opinion, the best colour combos on a car are navy on cream leather and silver on red leather. (there is a similar R230 SL600 on there too).
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211141...
I would say that 90% in the current 50k range will still depreciate on usual trajectory.. but the 996/997 Turbo should not.. I guess? (With the exception of correction of current market).
I've been browsing and in the past month / 6 weeks it would appear that 10% has come off most of the asking prices for most 911s. Some a bit more.. It also appears there are some higher mile ones with considerably higher asking prices. It's like the guys valued them themselves and just listed the car without checking other adverts.
Also .. I have a petrol head friend who is convinced i'm making the wrong choice if I go auto box. He is convinced I will regret it. I am having a hard time figuring that. Now, while my SL500 is an auto box, it's the 7G tronic MB version.. I just love cruising around in it. Manual shifting is cack on it.. but if I want to blast around I just hit the sport button.. which livens up the throttle and also holds gears longer.
Admittedly, the 996 box is the older 5 speed, and while "bulletproof" is supposedly ridiculously slow at changing speeds. It also doesn't have sport mode in the 996... so perhaps he has a point.
In the middle ground.. I have an old clapped out project L322 4.2 Supercharged Range Rover, which is a ZF 5 speed, no sport mode. It's good fun to blast around in as when you get up in the revs it is lively enough. That said, blasting off from a standstill you really do notice how sluggish the box is. It's fine in the RR as I just bought it cheap and happy tidy it up. But for the 996 I would probably be peeved if the box was like that in the RR.
If I did buy the auto box it would be mainly down to driving style and requirements (London traffic).. I would probably be buying it knowing that I will probably want to do the following to the box:
- Upgrade the valve body
- Do a map on the TCU
- Get sport mode installed for the box/engine
Has anybody got any experience with these mods?
.. Perhaps I need to get into a TipTronic and see what it's like.
Lovely David A!!
What kind of mods did 9E do?
You see this is something else that get's at me... do people who own the tiptronic actually hate them? Or is it the manual drivers and people who have driven neither, who are speaking louder?
I don't recall ever hearing a tiptronic owner slate the box and hate it.
What kind of mods did 9E do?
You see this is something else that get's at me... do people who own the tiptronic actually hate them? Or is it the manual drivers and people who have driven neither, who are speaking louder?
I don't recall ever hearing a tiptronic owner slate the box and hate it.
This is an interesting thread and it's got some real traction.
I can now see firsthand how passionated both sides of the Man/Tip debate are.
It's a tough call for me.
Next steps for me will be to drive one of each.
Part of me feels that while a Tip might be pleasant around London, the manual aspect could be the better long term approach. Reality wise, it won't be my daily around London so even if I drive it in town it will be the odd cruise here and there at weekends.
I guess I just wait and see what happens with the market in the next few months.
Here is something I spotted as reasonable value (on paper).. Nice spec too.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211031...
Manual Coupe ~ 77k miles ~ £40k
This example has the semi oval tips on the exhaust... what is the difference between these and the double tips I see on most examples. I prefer the others.
Actually.... polar silver and metropole leather. Cabrio.
This was for sale in 21 October for £44,995 and now listed at £39,995 - That's a drop of 11%. I am seeing a consistent drop of ~10% in Turbos in the last 2 months.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
I can now see firsthand how passionated both sides of the Man/Tip debate are.
It's a tough call for me.
Next steps for me will be to drive one of each.
Part of me feels that while a Tip might be pleasant around London, the manual aspect could be the better long term approach. Reality wise, it won't be my daily around London so even if I drive it in town it will be the odd cruise here and there at weekends.
I guess I just wait and see what happens with the market in the next few months.
Here is something I spotted as reasonable value (on paper).. Nice spec too.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211031...
Manual Coupe ~ 77k miles ~ £40k
This example has the semi oval tips on the exhaust... what is the difference between these and the double tips I see on most examples. I prefer the others.
Actually.... polar silver and metropole leather. Cabrio.
This was for sale in 21 October for £44,995 and now listed at £39,995 - That's a drop of 11%. I am seeing a consistent drop of ~10% in Turbos in the last 2 months.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
Edited by fourwheeler on Monday 5th December 15:06
Edited by fourwheeler on Monday 5th December 15:09
This is an interesting thread and it's got some real traction.
I can now see firsthand how passionated both sides of the Man/Tip debate are.
It's a tough call for me.
Next steps for me will be to drive one of each.
Part of me feels that while a Tip might be pleasant around London, the manual aspect could be the better long term approach. Reality wise, it won't be my daily around London so even if I drive it in town it will be the odd cruise here and there at weekends.
I guess I just wait and see what happens with the market in the next few months.
Here is something I spotted as reasonable value (on paper).. Nice spec too.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211031...
Manual Coupe ~ 77k miles ~ £40k
This example has the semi oval tips on the exhaust... what is the difference between these and the double tips I see on most examples. I prefer the others.
Actually.... polar silver and metropole leather. Cabrio.
This was for sale in 21 October for £44,995 and now listed at £39,995 - That's a drop of 11%. I am seeing a consistent drop of ~10% in Turbos in the last 2 months.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
I can now see firsthand how passionated both sides of the Man/Tip debate are.
It's a tough call for me.
Next steps for me will be to drive one of each.
Part of me feels that while a Tip might be pleasant around London, the manual aspect could be the better long term approach. Reality wise, it won't be my daily around London so even if I drive it in town it will be the odd cruise here and there at weekends.
I guess I just wait and see what happens with the market in the next few months.
Here is something I spotted as reasonable value (on paper).. Nice spec too.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211031...
Manual Coupe ~ 77k miles ~ £40k
This example has the semi oval tips on the exhaust... what is the difference between these and the double tips I see on most examples. I prefer the others.
Actually.... polar silver and metropole leather. Cabrio.
This was for sale in 21 October for £44,995 and now listed at £39,995 - That's a drop of 11%. I am seeing a consistent drop of ~10% in Turbos in the last 2 months.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210180...
Edited by fourwheeler on Monday 5th December 15:06
Edited by fourwheeler on Thursday 8th December 21:32
Guys I'm just wondering about PPI for if/when I come to take the plunge.
How would it work? I see the usual specialists offer it as a service.
What is normal?
Find a trusted specialist who is near the car in question and have them visit it or have the seller bring it to the specialist?
Ideally it would go on a ramp so the important bits can be checked?
Do these specialists have a multi point check they carry out and send a report after? How much would they typically charge?
Many thanks
How would it work? I see the usual specialists offer it as a service.
What is normal?
Find a trusted specialist who is near the car in question and have them visit it or have the seller bring it to the specialist?
Ideally it would go on a ramp so the important bits can be checked?
Do these specialists have a multi point check they carry out and send a report after? How much would they typically charge?
Many thanks
Interesting debate going on here and some good listing on PH right now.
When I started looking about a month ago.. I don't remember there being any manuals below £40k.. now there seems a few.. albeit higher miles. We are getting there though
The next logical step is to test drive both transmissions.. how can I fairly go about this with a dealer? Am I better off going in and just asking for a test drive, as a would be buyer..but then when I don't buy get labelled a time waster and tyre kicker.
I would like to be honest.. call up the seller and tell them I am honestly caught between man/auto and need to test drive both. Is it ok for me to test drive the one you have on sale... while also stating that the car is of interest if I decide to go with your transmission.. surely that is a fair way to go about it? I am sure some salesmen would tell me pi$$ off though..
ALSO.. What is the story with this "TwinExit" poster..? I mean WTF!? Their tone is aggressive and it feels like they are trying to intimidate me (and anybody else) out of buying a 996 Turbo.... some highlights and points at which I decided to just disregard everything they say.
Sure, some expensive work will be unavoidable during ownership.. but having to pony up huge sums just so you can resell is ridiculous. A good pre purchase inspection will show up good maintenance and any items that are due...and any would be buyer should be able to ascertain the quality (or not) of what they are buying.
They says DIY is false economy.. oh please! If I do a good job on things like brake lines, bushes, mounts among other things.. and have receipt for various bits. I am sure that will be plenty for most buyers provided the car is well presented. That said, I do plan on getting scheduled maintenance done at a reputable Indy.. just for the stamp of course.
I'm enjoying this experience and starting to get a feel for what I want now.
When I started looking about a month ago.. I don't remember there being any manuals below £40k.. now there seems a few.. albeit higher miles. We are getting there though
The next logical step is to test drive both transmissions.. how can I fairly go about this with a dealer? Am I better off going in and just asking for a test drive, as a would be buyer..but then when I don't buy get labelled a time waster and tyre kicker.
I would like to be honest.. call up the seller and tell them I am honestly caught between man/auto and need to test drive both. Is it ok for me to test drive the one you have on sale... while also stating that the car is of interest if I decide to go with your transmission.. surely that is a fair way to go about it? I am sure some salesmen would tell me pi$$ off though..
ALSO.. What is the story with this "TwinExit" poster..? I mean WTF!? Their tone is aggressive and it feels like they are trying to intimidate me (and anybody else) out of buying a 996 Turbo.... some highlights and points at which I decided to just disregard everything they say.
- Need to have documented proof that you got bodywork + paint correction done.
- A 996 Turbo isn't a sports car.. but a C2 is.. - Not diss'ing the C2. But there isn't a universe where you consider a C2 a sports car and not a Turbo. Must a sports car be RWD only!?
- Quote - "If you don't live in a nice area and not parked on a clean driveway / garage, some will be turned off by that."
Sure, some expensive work will be unavoidable during ownership.. but having to pony up huge sums just so you can resell is ridiculous. A good pre purchase inspection will show up good maintenance and any items that are due...and any would be buyer should be able to ascertain the quality (or not) of what they are buying.
They says DIY is false economy.. oh please! If I do a good job on things like brake lines, bushes, mounts among other things.. and have receipt for various bits. I am sure that will be plenty for most buyers provided the car is well presented. That said, I do plan on getting scheduled maintenance done at a reputable Indy.. just for the stamp of course.
I'm enjoying this experience and starting to get a feel for what I want now.
This one claims in the advert that it was once on the "911 HUL" plate. I mean who advertises that a car was a press car.. it basically got ragged to within an inch of it's life in it's formative years!
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14281794
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14281794
Yea it seems decent to be fair and I'm actually in Ireland at the moment until the new year.
The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.
I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.
The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.
I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.
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