997 GTS, Turbo S, 991.2 - Confusing myself with indecision
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In previous posts I had some great input into a possible 991.2 GTS purchase, now I have confused myself with different possibilities. I have driven all the cars I am considering but am maybe frozen with indecision so any views from owners/former owners of these welcome - there has been plenty on here over the years but always interesting to hear more views:
Summary/context: Kids recently started uni, we no longer need a DD 4 seater, we do need a car for driving around with my wife a few times a week to tenins club, visiting friends, family and also has to be a 2+2 for occasional back seat use. I have some 90s/00s Ferraris for weekend blasts. I don't track my cars. I live in central London, with forays out of town and an annual road trip to Italy. Needs to be a cabriolet (wife) and probably PDK although manual not out of question.
When I sold our W204 C63 AMG estate, I bought a 992 C2S but found it uninvolving at UK speeds. Then bought a new Brabus B600 C63S cabriolet last year but sold it as it was boring unless on the Autobahn. Meanwhile home extensions mean my available budget has reduced: recently looking at £80k-ish for a 991.2 GTS but would be diplomatic to spend around £60k instead.
In the £60k or thereabouts bracket my roundabout of options are:
997 GTS
997 Turbo S
997 S (and save some £)
991.2 S
(991.1 but I didn't like the steering)
Also considering a Ferrari California but maintenance costs would be undiplomatic.
I always liked the 997 GTS but given it's a car that loves revs, wondering about TT S instead, for easier performance, then keep going back and forth into 991s. I guess I'm being indecisive as my last 2 purchases (992 S, Brabus) I have both sold, and lost £ on, because I got bored of them and don't want it to happen again.
Did anyone get bored of their 997 TT S? Sometimes happens with turbo cars after the initial thrill wears off. I found the 991 Turbos brilliant but clinical. 997 is a bit less clinical but...GTS and S more sharp but more peaky...but...
Going round in circles.
Summary/context: Kids recently started uni, we no longer need a DD 4 seater, we do need a car for driving around with my wife a few times a week to tenins club, visiting friends, family and also has to be a 2+2 for occasional back seat use. I have some 90s/00s Ferraris for weekend blasts. I don't track my cars. I live in central London, with forays out of town and an annual road trip to Italy. Needs to be a cabriolet (wife) and probably PDK although manual not out of question.
When I sold our W204 C63 AMG estate, I bought a 992 C2S but found it uninvolving at UK speeds. Then bought a new Brabus B600 C63S cabriolet last year but sold it as it was boring unless on the Autobahn. Meanwhile home extensions mean my available budget has reduced: recently looking at £80k-ish for a 991.2 GTS but would be diplomatic to spend around £60k instead.
In the £60k or thereabouts bracket my roundabout of options are:
997 GTS
997 Turbo S
997 S (and save some £)
991.2 S
(991.1 but I didn't like the steering)
Also considering a Ferrari California but maintenance costs would be undiplomatic.
I always liked the 997 GTS but given it's a car that loves revs, wondering about TT S instead, for easier performance, then keep going back and forth into 991s. I guess I'm being indecisive as my last 2 purchases (992 S, Brabus) I have both sold, and lost £ on, because I got bored of them and don't want it to happen again.
Did anyone get bored of their 997 TT S? Sometimes happens with turbo cars after the initial thrill wears off. I found the 991 Turbos brilliant but clinical. 997 is a bit less clinical but...GTS and S more sharp but more peaky...but...
Going round in circles.
Thank you, everyone. That's very helpful as it has helped narrow down my choice, as so far nobody has voted 997 Turbo S.
And the point about 997 GTS vs 997.2 S + £20k is very valid.
997.2 S v 991.2 S, or indeed a base 991.2, good point, is now the next indecision.
Organic feel, etc, push me towards the 997. But modernity and comfort, and just more punch, push to 991.2.
Point taken about warranty. In fact ideally I would buy whatever car it was with a Porsche warranty, obviously easier on the newer ones.
And the point about 997 GTS vs 997.2 S + £20k is very valid.
997.2 S v 991.2 S, or indeed a base 991.2, good point, is now the next indecision.
Organic feel, etc, push me towards the 997. But modernity and comfort, and just more punch, push to 991.2.
Point taken about warranty. In fact ideally I would buy whatever car it was with a Porsche warranty, obviously easier on the newer ones.
For example, this 991.2 S is at £63,950 (manual cabrios are quite rare)
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15574915
It seems like a good spec, though no Porsche warranty
While this OPC 997.2 S has been on at £49.9k since before Christmas
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15756736
It's PDK though
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15574915
It seems like a good spec, though no Porsche warranty
While this OPC 997.2 S has been on at £49.9k since before Christmas
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15756736
It's PDK though
There’s definitely some truth to the last two replies. I’m looking for a car that doesn’t exist..and I’m overthinking it.
Can’t really deny that. And a 911 isn’t really a car I should be looking at, logically..but still, irrationality makes life, and car purchases, more interesting I guess.
I suspect I will end up buying whatever very nice spec/colour combination of one of these comes up at a good price, first, with good warranty.
Can’t really deny that. And a 911 isn’t really a car I should be looking at, logically..but still, irrationality makes life, and car purchases, more interesting I guess.
I suspect I will end up buying whatever very nice spec/colour combination of one of these comes up at a good price, first, with good warranty.
MC99 said:
I have a manual 997 GTS. <<bias here>> but have driven a number of 991s. I almost switched to a 991T but it didn't do enough to be different. My only thinking is something very different like a 991 GTS Targa <<place dislike for targa comments here>> 
If you drive alot, and need to cruise, have more refinement - 991 is you
A good friend just went from a 991 GTS PDK to a 2S 997 manual - feels he gets more out of driving when he does
That's a good way of putting it, getting more out of driving when you do it. As cars develop they take more of the involvement, and also the strain, away. It's about where you can tolerate being on that spectrum. 992 C2S and Brabus C63S were too far along for me, but equally I'm not going to DD one of my manual Ferraris or the 205 GTI of my youth..so a manual 997.2 S sounds tempting right now, but finding a good one (a cabrio) is going to be challenging. One dealer has one up for 60k, has been for sale since September. 18k miles and probably 15k too expensive. If you drive alot, and need to cruise, have more refinement - 991 is you
A good friend just went from a 991 GTS PDK to a 2S 997 manual - feels he gets more out of driving when he does
997 GTS or a really nice 997.2 S are in the lead right now. With Porsche warranty.
Either way, has to be a cabrio and can't be white (wife).
Manual preferred, PDK OK. Ideally 2 rather than 4 for my needs.
The problem is finding a good one.
I have noticed that 997.2 S cabrios have hung around (probably due to winter) although GTS cabrios seem to be moving.
And then as wait goes on too long, the eye wanders. There are so many 997.2 Turbo S cabrios for sale, nice ones too. And lots of 991s. As well as all those other marques, there is no shortage of choice of modern 2+2s at the £45k-£65k mark, from DB9s and Californias to M8 Cabrios (very different to a 911 I know).
Either way, has to be a cabrio and can't be white (wife).
Manual preferred, PDK OK. Ideally 2 rather than 4 for my needs.
The problem is finding a good one.
I have noticed that 997.2 S cabrios have hung around (probably due to winter) although GTS cabrios seem to be moving.
And then as wait goes on too long, the eye wanders. There are so many 997.2 Turbo S cabrios for sale, nice ones too. And lots of 991s. As well as all those other marques, there is no shortage of choice of modern 2+2s at the £45k-£65k mark, from DB9s and Californias to M8 Cabrios (very different to a 911 I know).
KEVS500 said:
Collecting Cars has a nice 997.2 S PDK cab (low miles, FPSH) ending tomorrow.
I could be persuaded to part with my lovely grey 997 GTS PDK with 29k miles, FPSH and 2 year Porsche warranty for £65k but it's not a cab.
Got excited there for a moment about your car - the CC one looks nice but quite high mileage. But it has to be a cab. Shame…I could be persuaded to part with my lovely grey 997 GTS PDK with 29k miles, FPSH and 2 year Porsche warranty for £65k but it's not a cab.
There was also (as a matter of record) a 997 GTS Cabrio on CC last week. A nice looking car with a slightly strange spec, bucket seats and plastic dash and PDK with no alcantara. It sold for around £50k including fees, a good buy for someone. But I wouldn’t want buckets for daily driving.
Thank you everyone - just back after a week away. The 997 RWD GTS cabrios around at the moment all just don't quite tick the box: there'a a nice one with full alcantara which I like but it's white, which my wife doesn't; and a black one with no alcantara which is just a bit of a shame.
If anyone knows of a nice low-ish miles non-white 997 GTS cabrio with alcantara..these do pop up only very occasionally it seems. I'm fine with PDK or manual, understanding the manual premium.
In the absence of suitable 997 GTSs the eye wanders, but this thread has put me off 997 Turbo Ss. Eye has wandered to DB9s though.
If anyone knows of a nice low-ish miles non-white 997 GTS cabrio with alcantara..these do pop up only very occasionally it seems. I'm fine with PDK or manual, understanding the manual premium.
In the absence of suitable 997 GTSs the eye wanders, but this thread has put me off 997 Turbo Ss. Eye has wandered to DB9s though.
Update, if anyone’s still reading this. With no suitable 997 GTSs around and the need to purchase approaching - by next month at least - the eye has strayed.
991.2 S pre-PPF with sport exhaust and sport chrono, manual.
Porsche warranty. Great colour. V tempting.
But essentially the same engine and similar car to the 992 S PDK I got bored of…
Or, my wife is pushing for a DB9, 2014 vintage for the same as the above or a 997 GTS. I like the idea of being James Bond (I know he had a DBS) but every day…and I also like the idea of a manual 991.2. I’ve driven a manual 992 GT3, I know, different car, and loved it.
All subjective at this stage I guess.
991.2 S pre-PPF with sport exhaust and sport chrono, manual.
Porsche warranty. Great colour. V tempting.
But essentially the same engine and similar car to the 992 S PDK I got bored of…
Or, my wife is pushing for a DB9, 2014 vintage for the same as the above or a 997 GTS. I like the idea of being James Bond (I know he had a DBS) but every day…and I also like the idea of a manual 991.2. I’ve driven a manual 992 GT3, I know, different car, and loved it.
All subjective at this stage I guess.
Thank you, folks. I forgot to remention that any car I buy needs to be a cabrio, on my wife's orders. So unless someone has one of those for sale...
Ir's so true about the T and if they'd made a cabrio of those that's what I would be eyeing.
Anyway I am going to look at the 991.2 S manual cabrio on Saturday and if I love it I may just buy it and that will be the end of this thread. If not..the DB9 question will come back inevitably.
Ir's so true about the T and if they'd made a cabrio of those that's what I would be eyeing.
Anyway I am going to look at the 991.2 S manual cabrio on Saturday and if I love it I may just buy it and that will be the end of this thread. If not..the DB9 question will come back inevitably.
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