Discussion
Andyoz said:
Not the none too subtle '6' on the drivers jacket at 00:22.
When will Harris etc get their reviews out.
Viper green really works on that car. Porsche are back and I hope they pump our loads of the manuals to help keep the prices of lightly used ones under control...
I think these will be a hot ticket.. a much more appropriate car than the GT4 Twins for most people, and probably even many that have got or are getting one of the GT4 twins but will never see a track.When will Harris etc get their reviews out.
Viper green really works on that car. Porsche are back and I hope they pump our loads of the manuals to help keep the prices of lightly used ones under control...
Pricing is very keen vs the GT4 twins also. It’s these new GTS 4.0 cars that will put pressure on all used 981 prices inc 981 GT4 (unless buyer are specifically looking for a GT car as opposed to comparable performance per £/€ $ + warranty)
Porsche master class in making lemonade from the lemon disaster of the 4-pots. They can convert all the pent up demand, and also now almost unique position in the market as large capacity, NA, manual.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 16th January 02:20
Andyoz said:
What's this going to do to 718 GT4 values
Likely will just help to kill off the overs market. Back to the old pre-991 day’s where you only buy a GT car if you are gonna use it on track...else there is no benefit, not a lifestyle brand.You can get GT4 performance, and GT4 engine in the same body, for booster with a fully automatic roof all for 10k less and it’s road biased...which is where most of the new GT cars live anyway...they won’t see a track.
You can get the same bucket seats, same stitching, no wing... and road based chassis...’GT4 touring’....lol
Problem is that the gap to a regular joes eye isn’t big enough between new GTS 4.0 and the GT4 twins.
DaveGrohl said:
So is there no PDK option? I've been worried I might actually have to trade my 981 GTS in for the new 718 6cyl but I can relax if there's no PDK and my wallet will thank me for it. Having spent about 4 years driving 5 auto cars and finally accepting auto boxes, in spite of much kicking and screaming, I'm not going back now.
Or is it just a case of them making PDK an option in a few months?
PDK will be offered soo, once they have done emissions testing. Or is it just a case of them making PDK an option in a few months?
They will do this and the GT4 at the same time and it’s the exact same drive train.
donutskidmark said:
TDT said:
Awesome green launch colour.
Typical ain’t it.......I’m waiting for a 718 Spyder and the colours available are pants - so Porsche release this
GTS in a green that is considerably more desirable than any available for the 718 GT4 and Spyder.
Bloody hope they open some PTS slots at some point.
Much more pazazz, than for the GT twins?
Have to say the want is strong for this.
For one car to do it all. This is up there.
Gonzo0 said:
It would be interesting to compare exhaust volume and tone of the GTS 4.0 against the GT4. Looks like they may use the same exhaust system?
Few people are already changing exhausts on GT4 to get more volume and pops and bangs. Apparently standard system is very restrictive, not just due to PPF either.
Exact same system. Few people are already changing exhausts on GT4 to get more volume and pops and bangs. Apparently standard system is very restrictive, not just due to PPF either.
Porsche911R said:
flip the GT4 with the OPC make £5k and order one of these.
you save £11k and your OPC love you for ever.
I reckon we will see a lot of this actually.. as its win-win for orderer and OPC.you save £11k and your OPC love you for ever.
For most people currently ordering GT4/Spyder - the chassis is wasted on them - so its a trinket. They will never experience or identify the difference.
Interestingly I wonder if we are at a bell weather point for GTS vs GT vs RS.
For 718 GTS vs GT4 Twins the engine is the same but chassis is different road v track. Means Porsche can get maximum return on investment for engine development and drive profit.
I wonder if we will see the same in the 992 911 - GT3 has become more and more daily each gen. Then we get a cross over model in the 991 with the Touring but without back seats. I wonder if this time will get get a new 992 GTS - that has GT3 base engine - but road chassis + rear seat option.
There will be no GT3 Touring - as its now the GTS - as it should always have been. And then the GT3 get the GT engine, GT Track chassis. RS is the full on track rat.... no compromise for road.... but happened to be great on road anyway. and then WP for those that want to show how much money they have, or how important they are to their OPC and/or friends and forums.
ClubsportStr said:
You all reckon that the new GT4 doesn’t sound as good as the old version . So apart for the 6 cylinder power delivery what’s the different to the original 718 gts have they changed anything else other than the engine which they are charging an extra £3k for . Any details of performance comparisons between the 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder yet ?
New 6-cylinder 718 GTS won't sound the same as the 981 GTS - but it will be better than the 4-pot GTS.Also people prefer NA power delivery rather that boosted turbo for sports cars.
That what people care about.... its irrational.. but that what sports cars are.
Twinfan said:
TDT said:
For most people currently ordering GT4/Spyder - the chassis is wasted on them - so its a trinket. They will never experience or identify the difference.
I disagree - the GT chassis is a step up from the regular models and you feel it every time you drive the car. The 981 GT4 chassis is still more feelsome than the 718 non-GT chassis in my experience, so I'm expecting the 718 GT4 chassis to be another notch up when I drive one in a few weeks.Just because you don't drive on track it doesn't mean you can't appreciate the chassis differences.
bennno said:
TDT said:
bennno said:
Being advised these will be fairly restricted supply, not many coming in, perhaps 250 in total.....
Initial allocation... this is always the way.If they are building GT4 and Spyder for the next until end of '21 why not the GTS also?
There will be more that 250 GT4 and 250 Spyder and they are top of the line.
Twinfan said:
That's a very low number for a regular model. That must be the 2020 allocation?
I can see the GTS 4.0, GT4 and Spyder being produced from now until the EV Cayster in 2022/2023.
Yep - this is what i think. Initial allocation which might only be for this year starting in Spring.I can see the GTS 4.0, GT4 and Spyder being produced from now until the EV Cayster in 2022/2023.
They have to split this engine across 4 cars now.
It also might be specific for 250 Manual cars for this year. That makes sense.
PDK will then come online and maybe another 300-400.
We have to read what is said and also what is not said
Twinfan said:
These cars will completely kill the comfort-spec GT4 market - anyone who specced one that way to flip is in for a surprise!
Correct. I've actually already driving the 718 GTS 4.0 at the PEC when I went! lol.That comfort seat specced GT4 is the same...lol. I even called it GTS+.
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