Cayenne S Diesel - Think I am about to pull the trigger
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In a cracking bit of man maths/just plain excitable schoolboy behaviour I think I have managed to talk myself into buying a Cayenne S Diesel.
Started off wanting to replace the current X5 with a budget of £50k for a newish 40d M Sport. I am however a fussy bugger on spec and didn't want a black or white car and couldn't find what I wanted. Then looked at new cars and found out thanks to the good people of PH that there are some very healthy discounts on X5 M 50d's which meant you could order a big spec car to order for around £60k. Mrs Cheib then said she thought all the X5 colours were boring (she's not wrong)....at which point I said "we could get a Carmine Red Cayenne"...which seems to have met with some approval. Not sure Carmine Red is a good choice but it's brought the Cayenne into play!
So...I'd be interested to if anyone has anything good or bad to say ? I am test driving one on Friday. All the reviews I have read are pretty good and seems like a stonking bit of kit. Only thing I have read is the new "Ad Blu" engine doesn't sound as good as the previous motor?
There are bizarrely for Porsche some decent deals around...I was offered a 3 week old car today with a discount of about 10% to list which brings a good spec car into the mid £70k's. Its also possible to order a car to spec to be delivered in December....dealer who offered me that deal has two cars that are spec changeable...might be an interesting conversation.
I know its being replaced next year but I think the new car will be a decent bit more expensive based on how the Panamera is being priced and how sodding good I think it will be with that new interior.
Essential kit seems to be
PASM (seems to be conflicting views over air or not?)
20" wheels at a minimum
Panoramic Roof
PCM
Bose
Plus a smattering of other stuff to bring the optional extra's up to around £20k which seems to be the going rate.
Whilst I want a car that will be great to drive I also want something that will be very comfortable on long journey's and deal with pot holed country lanes....we drive to the Alps at least once a year and have plenty of dodgy roads round where we live. Maybe that means the Air Suspension ?
Started off wanting to replace the current X5 with a budget of £50k for a newish 40d M Sport. I am however a fussy bugger on spec and didn't want a black or white car and couldn't find what I wanted. Then looked at new cars and found out thanks to the good people of PH that there are some very healthy discounts on X5 M 50d's which meant you could order a big spec car to order for around £60k. Mrs Cheib then said she thought all the X5 colours were boring (she's not wrong)....at which point I said "we could get a Carmine Red Cayenne"...which seems to have met with some approval. Not sure Carmine Red is a good choice but it's brought the Cayenne into play!
So...I'd be interested to if anyone has anything good or bad to say ? I am test driving one on Friday. All the reviews I have read are pretty good and seems like a stonking bit of kit. Only thing I have read is the new "Ad Blu" engine doesn't sound as good as the previous motor?
There are bizarrely for Porsche some decent deals around...I was offered a 3 week old car today with a discount of about 10% to list which brings a good spec car into the mid £70k's. Its also possible to order a car to spec to be delivered in December....dealer who offered me that deal has two cars that are spec changeable...might be an interesting conversation.
I know its being replaced next year but I think the new car will be a decent bit more expensive based on how the Panamera is being priced and how sodding good I think it will be with that new interior.
Essential kit seems to be
PASM (seems to be conflicting views over air or not?)
20" wheels at a minimum
Panoramic Roof
PCM
Bose
Plus a smattering of other stuff to bring the optional extra's up to around £20k which seems to be the going rate.
Whilst I want a car that will be great to drive I also want something that will be very comfortable on long journey's and deal with pot holed country lanes....we drive to the Alps at least once a year and have plenty of dodgy roads round where we live. Maybe that means the Air Suspension ?
Sports Chrono ? I was on the fence about that.
I was passing an OPC yesterday and now understand what "full leather" means....if you don't tick that £2.5k box you get an awful lot of plastic on the dash. They had a really poor spec brand new S in the showroom (no PASM and no Full Leather). Think it will stay there for a while!
I was passing an OPC yesterday and now understand what "full leather" means....if you don't tick that £2.5k box you get an awful lot of plastic on the dash. They had a really poor spec brand new S in the showroom (no PASM and no Full Leather). Think it will stay there for a while!
Yes, I watched that Autocar vid a few nights ago. Very impressive.
So I went to the OPC today and drove a car with regular PASM, OPC advised against the Air/PASM as they reckon it makes the car a little more "floaty".....is that people's experience on here? Clearly not in there interest to advise on spending less money! For me Comfort mode is definitely for A roads and Motorways as soon as you ht B roads moves around a bit too much side to side in comfort.
My essential kit list is now
PASM (seems to be conflicting views over air or not?)
20" wheels at a minimum
Panoramic Roof
PCM
Bose
Full Leather
Sport Design Pack
As far as new cars go the OPC said I'd be mad not to consider a Platinum Edition because of the spec...which is very true but I drove a 3.0 car and the performance was a bit gutless compared to my somewhat ageing X5 E70 SD.
So I went to the OPC today and drove a car with regular PASM, OPC advised against the Air/PASM as they reckon it makes the car a little more "floaty".....is that people's experience on here? Clearly not in there interest to advise on spending less money! For me Comfort mode is definitely for A roads and Motorways as soon as you ht B roads moves around a bit too much side to side in comfort.
My essential kit list is now
PASM (seems to be conflicting views over air or not?)
20" wheels at a minimum
Panoramic Roof
PCM
Bose
Full Leather
Sport Design Pack
As far as new cars go the OPC said I'd be mad not to consider a Platinum Edition because of the spec...which is very true but I drove a 3.0 car and the performance was a bit gutless compared to my somewhat ageing X5 E70 SD.
nutsytvr said:
There is an "in between" option. Can't rememeber what it is called, but I didn't go for full leather and I still have a leather dash.....
I think what you have is the "Smooth Leather" which is circa £2.5k and you get leather dash door tops etc.Over and above that you can have things like the steering column covered in leather etc. When I was looking at the configurator a couple of days ago I couldn't work out why you'd pay £2.5k for upgraded leather as it makes no mention of the dash etc (how bad is Porsche's website). Well worth it IMHO. My 997 GTS has the leather dash, think it makes a massive difference to the interior personally.
Phooey said:
Taffy66 said:
the trouble with air is when you hit a deep sharp pothole the wheels drop too sharply where steel/PASM is much more progressive esp on rebound.When people test drive steel/non PASM back to back with air/PASM the air mistakenly gets the credit and avoid 21" wheels at all costs which makes matters even worse imho.
But how often do you hit deep potholes?? Maybe not essential but air is the better all-rounder IMO. Also think the Cayenne looks loads better on the 21" rims, but admittedly that is all down to personal taste. To be fair a lot of Cayennes don't have air so standard sus must be fine.Edited by Phooey on Friday 7th October 20:53
The OPC has a 6 months old car I really like the look of with the non air PASM but has been specced with the towbar....which strikes me as really friggin daft! Why on earth would you spec a car to tow and then not get the air suspension. I won't be doing any towing...that's what my tractor is for!
That's good to know. I am going to go for the Air despite the OPC saying it's a bit floaty because I like the idea of being able to lower it. We've taken our X5 skiing for the last four years...most places have underground parking and we've only ever stayed in one place that the X5 would get into with the roof box on.
The first year we stopped overnight near Reims...hotel had an underground car park (selected because it was secure so we could leave all the luggage in the car). When we got there has to empty the roof box into the car....take roof box off...walk roof box into garage. Then drive the car in. Next morning was the reverse and had to do the same when we got to the apartment we'd rented. Friggin nightmare!
We actually tried to buy a Diesel S last week but it had sold the day before. Going to the OPC this weekend with SWMBO to look at colours...we might be a tad controversial and go for Moonlight Blue with a Black and Cream interior. Might play it safer and go black with that interior or even black with black but I have had black interiors on every car I have had for the last twenty years.
Spec is looking over £80k but hey you are only "young" once.
Not the most practical colour interior but it's not going to be used as the school run car when real carnage takes place in the back seats. Have had a word with a detailing bloke I have used in the past who reckons you can get some treatments that do really protect these kind of interiors....if it's anything like as good as the polish/coating he used on my 997 six months ago and is still going strong it should be good!
The first year we stopped overnight near Reims...hotel had an underground car park (selected because it was secure so we could leave all the luggage in the car). When we got there has to empty the roof box into the car....take roof box off...walk roof box into garage. Then drive the car in. Next morning was the reverse and had to do the same when we got to the apartment we'd rented. Friggin nightmare!
We actually tried to buy a Diesel S last week but it had sold the day before. Going to the OPC this weekend with SWMBO to look at colours...we might be a tad controversial and go for Moonlight Blue with a Black and Cream interior. Might play it safer and go black with that interior or even black with black but I have had black interiors on every car I have had for the last twenty years.
Spec is looking over £80k but hey you are only "young" once.
Not the most practical colour interior but it's not going to be used as the school run car when real carnage takes place in the back seats. Have had a word with a detailing bloke I have used in the past who reckons you can get some treatments that do really protect these kind of interiors....if it's anything like as good as the polish/coating he used on my 997 six months ago and is still going strong it should be good!
FlyingPanda said:
Just another thought on that 'floaty' comment by the dealer - I always run mine one click down on the air suspension and it removes that completely. Handily, the car remembers the setting too, so I don't think I've ever run it at standard height.
It's great being able to set the 'sport' mode for steering, throttle response etc, but leave the suspension in 'comfort' mode if you're cracking on on less-than-perfect road surfaces too.
I did 900 miles in two days last week through all sorts of grotty weather and I can't think of a car I'd rather have been in!
Interesting that's very helpful thanks...I was thinking that might be the case. It's great being able to set the 'sport' mode for steering, throttle response etc, but leave the suspension in 'comfort' mode if you're cracking on on less-than-perfect road surfaces too.
I did 900 miles in two days last week through all sorts of grotty weather and I can't think of a car I'd rather have been in!
Carmine Red making a late entry as a possible colour....not sure I have the bottle though!
Phooey said:
Moonlight B looks fantastic in the sun with the sportsdesign kit, privacy glass and 21" wheels. Do it!
Did it! Carmine Red car they had there looked fantastic but SWMBO wasn't so keen.....Had every intention of placing an order for a new Diesel S but they offered us a very good deal on an SE Hybrid which was specced to £93k which is an ex demo car..and in the Moonlight Blue with those black and cream seats.
The car will get used a lot for the school run which is 20 miles round trip or me taking it to the station which is maybe 10 miles round trip...in those circumstances the hybrid makes sense. If I was say doing 50 plus miles a day commuting it wouldn't. Its supposed to do a maximum of 23 miles on a charge (so maybe 15 on a cold winters day) but it charges in just over an hour with if an upgraded charger has been specified.
I really do think it's a great looking car....although the practicalities of that interior might be interesting. The quality of interior is superb.....definite step up from my 997 GTS. 18 way seats are quite possibly the best seats I have ever sat in. I've always rated the Comfort Seats in my X5...not in the same class.
I was so set on getting the S Diesel but when we really looked at how we use the car five days a week the Hybrid might just be perfect for us. Probably not going to be so good when we load the car to the max for annual ski trips but we'll see.
Think I'll probably run it for a couple of years...depends on when the new Cayenne comes out I suppose.
I was so set on getting the S Diesel but when we really looked at how we use the car five days a week the Hybrid might just be perfect for us. Probably not going to be so good when we load the car to the max for annual ski trips but we'll see.
Think I'll probably run it for a couple of years...depends on when the new Cayenne comes out I suppose.
breadvan said:
Well done Cheib.
I've had my S Diesel for nearly 2 months and I'm loving it. This is my first SUV and despite initial concerns about lack of performance and agility, I haven't stopped grinning since.
Random fact - I've just found out the PDSL junction/corner lights are controlled by the NAV - a very cool feature.
As for Air, I find its really useful for utterly pointless ride height photos -
Funny I said to the salesman today "Wish I was spending this money on a Boxster Spyder" I so want one! I've had my S Diesel for nearly 2 months and I'm loving it. This is my first SUV and despite initial concerns about lack of performance and agility, I haven't stopped grinning since.
Random fact - I've just found out the PDSL junction/corner lights are controlled by the NAV - a very cool feature.
As for Air, I find its really useful for utterly pointless ride height photos -
I've bottled it on the Hybrid...got a bit carried away because of the mega spec and the fact it was the exact colour and interior we wanted. I am instead getting a brand new mega spec S Diesel....OPC absolutely fine about it. Still going Moonlight Blue with the black and cream interior.
Wont be delivered until Q1 next year which is fine. Means I won't have it for the annual ski trip but that means I won't have to drop money for winter wheels immediately and a brand new car won't get trashed straight away!
Edited by Cheib on Monday 31st October 22:53
Fokker said:
Hi Cheib,
Just chopped the 3 litre diesel in for a new S that the dealer had in unregistered. I achieved a good discount and figured like you that the new one won't be here for a little while yet so might as well enjoy the opportunity.
I had a 2014 Diesel S on loan when my old Cayman R went for service and I couldn't believe how fast it was. I thought they'd given me a turbo until I looked under the bonnet. The engine is mighty!
That one sounded like an old TVR V8 but I have heard that with the addition of adblue that its now quieter? How much quieter? Do you still get a good rumble?
Spec is:
jet black
Power steering plus
21" black part painted alloys
Air suspension with PASM
Pan roof
Rood rails in black
Crest seats
Heated seats
Privacy glass
Monochrome black exterior pack
14-way memory seats
New style PCM
DAB
Connect plus
Reversing camera
Hasn't got full leather or Bose but the standard stereo in my current car is actually quite good. Would have liked it but hey.
Car came to £78500 list. Collecting it between Xmas and New year. Cant wait to drive it but just wondered if the newer version has lost some of the audible pleasure?
I have pasm without air at the moment and agree with Taffy above to a degree. I'm yet to try air extensively but I remember that I the loan car I had was better in sport and felt too soft in comfort. The standard pasm is fine in confirm.
Nice spec! I've read the later cars with the Ad Blue are a bit quieter but I suppose that's a price to pay for Euro 6 compliance. I haven't driven an older car so can't comment.Just chopped the 3 litre diesel in for a new S that the dealer had in unregistered. I achieved a good discount and figured like you that the new one won't be here for a little while yet so might as well enjoy the opportunity.
I had a 2014 Diesel S on loan when my old Cayman R went for service and I couldn't believe how fast it was. I thought they'd given me a turbo until I looked under the bonnet. The engine is mighty!
That one sounded like an old TVR V8 but I have heard that with the addition of adblue that its now quieter? How much quieter? Do you still get a good rumble?
Spec is:
jet black
Power steering plus
21" black part painted alloys
Air suspension with PASM
Pan roof
Rood rails in black
Crest seats
Heated seats
Privacy glass
Monochrome black exterior pack
14-way memory seats
New style PCM
DAB
Connect plus
Reversing camera
Hasn't got full leather or Bose but the standard stereo in my current car is actually quite good. Would have liked it but hey.
Car came to £78500 list. Collecting it between Xmas and New year. Cant wait to drive it but just wondered if the newer version has lost some of the audible pleasure?
I have pasm without air at the moment and agree with Taffy above to a degree. I'm yet to try air extensively but I remember that I the loan car I had was better in sport and felt too soft in comfort. The standard pasm is fine in confirm.
Edited by Fokker on Sunday 18th December 22:08
Good spec cars seem to shift fairly quickly still....there are a lot on the AUC site but a lot seem to have been their for ages either over price or challenging spec. OPC Portsmouth advertised a car with 10 miles on the clock on Auto Trader a couple of weeks ago which had a fantastic spec...went in two days.
I agree on PASM the regular is absolutely fine and isn't a "must have" for ride comfort even on 21's.
Need to book my PEC session but don't think I can do it until after I pick up the car.
Fokker said:
Well taken delivery Cheib! You're in for a treat!
They are so quick and they still have a good v8 rumble to them.
Took it home via the Evo triangle too!
I'm also averaging 33mpg which isn't too bad for a 4.2 twin turbo v8!
Epic family motoring!
Sounds like quite the drive home! I actually spent today driving my current X5 650 miles to Switzerland...have to say whilst the X5 does it so well I couldn't help feel the Cayenne would have been even better. Especially on fuel consumption...my X5 driven at 80mph with a roof box on top gets low 20's! They are so quick and they still have a good v8 rumble to them.
Took it home via the Evo triangle too!
I'm also averaging 33mpg which isn't too bad for a 4.2 twin turbo v8!
Epic family motoring!
I had a Panamera 4S Diesel for the day last week which was superb and obviously has a similar but updated version of the V8 Diesel in the Cayenne. Couldn't believe how quick it was! Two months til I get my Cayenne...
Finally picked mine up yesterday. Only done 150 miles in it but hugely impressed....ride and "get up and go" are first class....can't imagine what it'll go like when the engine loosens up in a few thousand miles. Lord knows what the Turbo S is like and why you'd need one! Fit and finish are just miles ahead of my old X5. Car is booked in tomorrow to have a treatment to the less than impractical leather interior
Edited by Cheib on Sunday 5th March 21:32
Edited by Cheib on Tuesday 14th March 14:41
majordad said:
What leather treatment did you get ?
Thishttp://lttleathercare.com/product-category/auto-pr...
Seems to get good reviews and they seem pretty confident it works...someone on here recommended it then I found Detailing World (which is a whole other world). Dye transfer from Jeans is the main issue we have...well anything is an issue with a cream/black interior! Also having a Ceramic treatment for the paintwork to make it easier to keep clean.
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[/url]red997 said:
I've used LTT previously;
on a cream Cayenne interior !
yes it works.
However, I've tried something different on my new X5 - with Ivory leather (will I ever learn...)
Good friend of mine runs http://www.autoshinespecialistvaleting.co.uk
He has his own range of products.
the leather cleaner & stain protect IMHO is better than that from LTT.
and it's cheaper
The LTT Dye Block doesn't work. So will have a look at that if the Dr Leather Dye Block product I ordered yesterday isn't any good! Thanks. on a cream Cayenne interior !
yes it works.
However, I've tried something different on my new X5 - with Ivory leather (will I ever learn...)
Good friend of mine runs http://www.autoshinespecialistvaleting.co.uk
He has his own range of products.
the leather cleaner & stain protect IMHO is better than that from LTT.
and it's cheaper
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