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Pretty car this so got me thinking ....
As prices aren't stated on the website, what do these cost as an average ?
Obviously its not Singer/Ruf Money and there are varying specs but i wonder if buying one of these 2nd hand would be the cheaper alternative than commissioning the build ......
https://www.paul-stephens.com/classic-touring-seri...
As prices aren't stated on the website, what do these cost as an average ?
Obviously its not Singer/Ruf Money and there are varying specs but i wonder if buying one of these 2nd hand would be the cheaper alternative than commissioning the build ......
https://www.paul-stephens.com/classic-touring-seri...
Cheib said:
I know someone that owned one of their backdated cars….sold it back to them very quickly. Realised he made a mistake and whilst they may look like the older cars they aren’t as well put together as an original car and don’t drive like them. But not everyone wants a car to drive like an original one !
As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Ok many tks,As for pricing I know the Le Mans Classic which was their top end car was about £250k. I actually stumbled across the press launch for it in London a few years ago. Car was parked outside….everyone was inside so I had a quick nose around Had no idea what it was. When the media coverage came out a week or so later I was staggered they were asking £250k for it….fit and finish was nothing like that price point.
Maybe best to look at used examples and ones that have been built by individuals.
Cheib said:
I think restomods are very difficult cars to buy from dealers/auctions. You really need to understand the car, which specialists were used etc….personally think you can only really get that if you’re dealing with the owner. Personally I’d go down the hot rod route…so a standard car that has maybe an updated drivetrain and chassis. I’d rather buy a car where the money has been spent on making it better to drive rather than to look at with bigger wings/wheels etc…which all add weight unless you are spending huge money.
Partly agree . Would want a car that felt tight and had a lively engine but with the aesthetics of the older earlier cars .
I know Chris Harris ‘ Kermit’ sold around 18 months ago on CC’s for 97k .
Great looking car & with the right running gear plus 300 HP .
Only issue for me would be LHD
GTRene said:
sadly they did not close the rear lid in this picture
oooh
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
Something like this would have been a good base to work from
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1983-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1983-porsche-9...
Wilmslowboy said:
I have a 70s car, sorted suspension (slightly lowered), totally rebuilt engine and short shift gearbox.
Drives like a dream - really tight, with super revy engine
But little or nothing done cosmetically (other than a few reversible mods)
Perhaps as little as 180bhp (2.7 with RS bits and pieces)
All the money was put into the oily bit, the interior refurbished, but largely standard I.e. no unicorn Recaro seats etc.
As much as the long bonnet cars look great, the 70s impact bumpers are starting to come of age as well.
I am torn whether to tidy up the paint - problem it soon turns into a slippery slope, and one of the joys is its still a relatively inexperience car (compared to the commercially available restro mods) so I’m more than happy to use it as it was intended.
Looking back now the Chris Harris car looks great value, saying that values have strengthened over the last couple of years.
Nice car. Drives like a dream - really tight, with super revy engine
But little or nothing done cosmetically (other than a few reversible mods)
Perhaps as little as 180bhp (2.7 with RS bits and pieces)
All the money was put into the oily bit, the interior refurbished, but largely standard I.e. no unicorn Recaro seats etc.
As much as the long bonnet cars look great, the 70s impact bumpers are starting to come of age as well.
I am torn whether to tidy up the paint - problem it soon turns into a slippery slope, and one of the joys is its still a relatively inexperience car (compared to the commercially available restro mods) so I’m more than happy to use it as it was intended.
Looking back now the Chris Harris car looks great value, saying that values have strengthened over the last couple of years.
What so you anticipate a full repaint would cost ?
MrVert said:
The costs for commissioning one of these has gone through the roof since about 2015. To the point where it's not financially viable in my opinion.
My Tutthill car cost about £50k ish in 2010 when it was done, plus donor car at £30k. That included full glass out re-spray, new 6 pot brakes with brake bias kit, 3.2 engine on Jenny throttle bodies, complete re-trim, Recaro Pole Positions and lot, lots more.
To do this today would be about £150k plus donor car, if you're lucky.
Some of the companies doing these resto-mods produce cars that are nowhere near as complete as the Tutthill versions. A friend had one built to his spec 4 years ago and it was so poorly constructed, I told him to get JZM do a full in depth report on the car in order to present it to the company who built it, as they were not listening to his complaints. The report was so damning, with the threat of legal action he got his money back. Point of the story is be very careful who you choose to do the work.
The best way into one of these cars is to buy one a couple of years old that someone else has commissioned, that you like the look / spec of. Get a specialist to inspect it and if all checks out go for it. A properly built car is brilliant fun to own and drive.
Simply stunning My Tutthill car cost about £50k ish in 2010 when it was done, plus donor car at £30k. That included full glass out re-spray, new 6 pot brakes with brake bias kit, 3.2 engine on Jenny throttle bodies, complete re-trim, Recaro Pole Positions and lot, lots more.
To do this today would be about £150k plus donor car, if you're lucky.
Some of the companies doing these resto-mods produce cars that are nowhere near as complete as the Tutthill versions. A friend had one built to his spec 4 years ago and it was so poorly constructed, I told him to get JZM do a full in depth report on the car in order to present it to the company who built it, as they were not listening to his complaints. The report was so damning, with the threat of legal action he got his money back. Point of the story is be very careful who you choose to do the work.
The best way into one of these cars is to buy one a couple of years old that someone else has commissioned, that you like the look / spec of. Get a specialist to inspect it and if all checks out go for it. A properly built car is brilliant fun to own and drive.
hot66 said:
Have you spent much time driving aircolled 911's ? For me LHD is a positive as the driving position is so much better than RHD. I actively choose LHD aircooled for this reason ( I got terrible knee pain from teh RHD's I owned due to the offset pedals in RHD form ) . ( note nearly all my driving id B road / unclassified road fast driving )
Yes I bought a project from a dealer & had the engine rebuilt along with all other mechanicals which was LHD. I’ve had 4 air cooled 911’a in total so I do get them and appreciate what people think on the driving position being easier in LHD but I just found it didn’t work for me .
LeakUpTest said:
Thank you.
My clocks........1600 quid to paint them. 1600! I just think certain suppliers are making hay at the minute. If someone builds one today, there's zero chance of getting your money back so you'll want to make sure it's right and keep it.
Lovely car. My clocks........1600 quid to paint them. 1600! I just think certain suppliers are making hay at the minute. If someone builds one today, there's zero chance of getting your money back so you'll want to make sure it's right and keep it.
What would you say the car has cost you from start to finish ?
julian987R said:
....keep it white. Change the wheels, Add some decals. Bring some chrome bits into play. enhance the side lights. Add a duck tail. Louvred rear side windows.
I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
That’s stunning , would have cost a pretty penny to put together I’d have thought I would use the money on improving upon the white and what you have rather than a respray and spend more on the interior trim - the seats look like used pyjamas. Add the PCCM+ Classic radio for the air cooled. Do up the dash and trim with some nice stitched leather.
Cheib said:
This is basically what I was saying earlier. These cars do exist (especially as a LHD car). You need nothing more than a mildly tweaked engine which admittedly probably does mean an engine rebuild and £25k as mentioned above is probably the number.
The irony is that I’ve listened to Richard Turhill and Paul Stephens interviewed over the last year…both have said their favourite cars to drive are the early SWB cars but they both make a living out of building hotrod/restomods. Admittedly Tuthill build awesome cars but they are a totally different price point.
Tuthill would be my choice there & PS charge up to £250k for some of their cars as mentioned at the start of this thread . The irony is that I’ve listened to Richard Turhill and Paul Stephens interviewed over the last year…both have said their favourite cars to drive are the early SWB cars but they both make a living out of building hotrod/restomods. Admittedly Tuthill build awesome cars but they are a totally different price point.
Might all mean that buying a little 911T fully restored for 70k is the better idea……
Wilmslowboy said:
I'd struggle to get to a place where I would be willing to pay circa £250k, as I'd want near perfection, which then leads to issues about willingness to drive it hard on the road.
Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?
I love the look of the long bonnet cars generally speaking. Is it the long bonnet (pre-impact bumper) look you are after, and/ or the old school aircooled driving experience?
I guess the resto mod idea makes them more of a daily driver
squirdan said:
I had 2 hot rods. Both were based on 72/73 cars and had correct mfi engines. On a good day; mega. To look at - amazing. For a few laps of a track, or a short B road blast, a lot of fun. But…
Not really that good as cars. You have to be committed and maybe I just wasn’t. Other half not keen. Crashing used to weigh on my mind; tiny A pillars, no airbag etc.
Leaks. Poor ventilation. Noisy. Etc etc
I do wish I still had one but got to be honest for 95pc of fun trips my Cayman R is just so much more usable.. and still makes a good noise and is delicate and fun to drive.
The bills on the above 2 were eye watering
Instagram gold, but unless you’ve got a v fat budget, a warm dry garage and at least 3 other cars I wouldn’t bother
Weighing up the costs either to build or maintain one already built doesn’t make viable sense for intended use .
Cayman R might well be better proposition
Tks for all the replies
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