Thinking of selling my Evora S and getting an F360
Discussion
So some quick questions if thats ok.
This will be my first Ferrari, I have driven a couple of 360's, found them to be slighter quicker than the Evora with slightly more grip and sightly less steering feel, but despite the differences in real terms being small, I have always hankered after a Ferrari.
The problem I have is that my garage is too narrow for the Evora and will definitely be too narrow for a 360, so can a 360 (probably a coupe) live outside?
How temperamental are they if they stand for a month without being driven?
What do people really think of the F1 box? I found it a bit annoying and not as good as the IPS box in my Evora, but I have more cars to choose from if I consider an F1 (F1 is fine in the 575 I drove, I think it suits the car better)
How much does it cost to get those sticky plastics sorted and do refinished ones stay non sticky
Am I better with an early car or a later one (I like the idea of Zenons
Any particular must haves?
Thanks in advance
This will be my first Ferrari, I have driven a couple of 360's, found them to be slighter quicker than the Evora with slightly more grip and sightly less steering feel, but despite the differences in real terms being small, I have always hankered after a Ferrari.
The problem I have is that my garage is too narrow for the Evora and will definitely be too narrow for a 360, so can a 360 (probably a coupe) live outside?
How temperamental are they if they stand for a month without being driven?
What do people really think of the F1 box? I found it a bit annoying and not as good as the IPS box in my Evora, but I have more cars to choose from if I consider an F1 (F1 is fine in the 575 I drove, I think it suits the car better)
How much does it cost to get those sticky plastics sorted and do refinished ones stay non sticky
Am I better with an early car or a later one (I like the idea of Zenons
Any particular must haves?
Thanks in advance
mwstewart said:
I can't help but think that a 360 is a downgrade from an Evora. Would it be possible for you to stretch to an F430?
Interesting, what makes you think that? Obviously the Ferrari is older and in many ways dated, but in other ways it’s a classic and in my eyes especially in manual form is the last analogue Ferrari. offshoreeddy said:
Previously driven both a 360 and a 430.
360 had more character but less well built and less power than a 430, but in real world it's still 400bhp in a relatively light car. The 360 went, I kept the 430 for two years and wished I'd sold the 430 and kept the 360 in the end.
However if you do plump for a 360, I have a barely-used custom made Stormshield tailor made cover for a 360, complete with bag, absolutely as new...
https://www.specialisedcovers.com/stormshield-car-...
Did yours live outside? 360 had more character but less well built and less power than a 430, but in real world it's still 400bhp in a relatively light car. The 360 went, I kept the 430 for two years and wished I'd sold the 430 and kept the 360 in the end.
However if you do plump for a 360, I have a barely-used custom made Stormshield tailor made cover for a 360, complete with bag, absolutely as new...
https://www.specialisedcovers.com/stormshield-car-...
My problem is that living in a village there are no garages to rent, and I cant extend mine without spending more than the cost of a F360 or moving house (not an option).
I tend to use my cars rather than just park them up and admire them. I am on my second Evora and both have lived outside with no issues apart from usual Evora niggles that they all have. My cars want for nothing, so if something needs doing it gets done
But I am conscious that Italian thoroughbreds could be more temperamental. I am adverse to covers as they do scratch the paint. Want to be able to jump in and go for a drive whenever I want without loads of faffing about.
Hmm dilemma.
In terms of the gearboxess. I have driven one manual and one early F1. It seems like I need to drive a late F1. Typically how hard is it to source a later TCU and get the CS map flashed onto it? (note, I do have to reverse onto my drive)
Is there a UK based sticky switch sorter outerer?
Sorry for all the questions. I have read the buyers guides but its always useful to add to those by asking specific questions of people that have the cars.
F430 - nice but probably a bit too much (2 expensive parasites at uni
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I tend to use my cars rather than just park them up and admire them. I am on my second Evora and both have lived outside with no issues apart from usual Evora niggles that they all have. My cars want for nothing, so if something needs doing it gets done
But I am conscious that Italian thoroughbreds could be more temperamental. I am adverse to covers as they do scratch the paint. Want to be able to jump in and go for a drive whenever I want without loads of faffing about.
Hmm dilemma.
In terms of the gearboxess. I have driven one manual and one early F1. It seems like I need to drive a late F1. Typically how hard is it to source a later TCU and get the CS map flashed onto it? (note, I do have to reverse onto my drive)
Is there a UK based sticky switch sorter outerer?
Sorry for all the questions. I have read the buyers guides but its always useful to add to those by asking specific questions of people that have the cars.
F430 - nice but probably a bit too much (2 expensive parasites at uni
)ANOpax said:
How about a F355? Arguably the best sounding V8 Ferrari ever made and 10.5cm narrower than your Evora so it should fit your garage.
It’s significantly smaller than the 360/430 generation of cars but still has enough wallop not to be embarrassed by a golf GTi at the lights.
Thought about that, but its a real step back from the Evora and doesn't float my boat. I have driven one a few times. Irrationally, if I am going older than the 360 then for me its a 308, but thats a totally different proposition as dynamically its nowhere near the newer cars and is more of an art piece than a toy - all IMO of courseIt’s significantly smaller than the 360/430 generation of cars but still has enough wallop not to be embarrassed by a golf GTi at the lights.
FezSpider said:
blueg33 said:
Thought about that, but its a real step back from the Evora and doesn't float my boat. I have driven one a few times. Irrationally, if I am going older than the 360 then for me its a 308, but thats a totally different proposition as dynamically its nowhere near the newer cars rand is more of an art piece than a toy - all IMO of course
Mmm, unless your talking about handling characteristics, a 355 will never be a step back from an evora.It's a classic ferrari in the same way the 308s and the 246 are. None of them are certainly a step back from any thing.
Give me a 250 SWB over a La Ferrari any day of the week.
Driving is my primary objective coupled with enough reliability for long road trips and the odd track day.
Bebs said:
Make sure you get a PPI done by someone who knows these cars. There are a lot of consumables that need changing on a fairly regular basis. Buy the best you can find. Alternatively, get AV engineering or Walkersport to source a good one for you. An annual service can very quickly climb to £5-10K with a new clutch, flywheel, ball joints etc. Go in with your eyes open.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Ouch!https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Just thought I would update this thread
I have settled on a 360 F1 from a well known Indy. Its higher mileage than some at near 40k but the car is in great condition and the dealer has been brilliant. He is preparing it for me as follows:
New discs and pads
new belts, cam and ancillary
new hills ball joints
full service
new alarm siren
new exhaust
new tyres
aircon compressor rebuild (its ok, so this is precautionary)
new rocker gaskets and camshaft o rings
new ceramic coat to paintwork
Interior reconnolised
providing a complete Ferrari toolkit (some bits missing from the one with the car)
He is also fixing
airbag fault
weak ashtray spring
slightly discolored headlight glass (seems to be common, pretty much every car I looked at had it to a degree)
paint defects
sun visor the doesn't always stay up
Sticky switches sorted
He called me yesterday to let me know that he found a slight fault in the black crackle paint on the oil tank, so he will get that repainted!
On top of all that attention to detail, I get a 12 month warranty
I am pretty impressed with the service, many places would have tried to avoid doing that list of work. There is nothing major in the list except perhaps the aircon, but they are fiddly and annoying.
I should get the car next week, its a highish spec I think, challenge grille, factory shields, electric daytonas with contrasting inserts and piping, leather headlining etc, cd player, yellow rev counter
I have settled on a 360 F1 from a well known Indy. Its higher mileage than some at near 40k but the car is in great condition and the dealer has been brilliant. He is preparing it for me as follows:
New discs and pads
new belts, cam and ancillary
new hills ball joints
full service
new alarm siren
new exhaust
new tyres
aircon compressor rebuild (its ok, so this is precautionary)
new rocker gaskets and camshaft o rings
new ceramic coat to paintwork
Interior reconnolised
providing a complete Ferrari toolkit (some bits missing from the one with the car)
He is also fixing
airbag fault
weak ashtray spring
slightly discolored headlight glass (seems to be common, pretty much every car I looked at had it to a degree)
paint defects
sun visor the doesn't always stay up
Sticky switches sorted
He called me yesterday to let me know that he found a slight fault in the black crackle paint on the oil tank, so he will get that repainted!
On top of all that attention to detail, I get a 12 month warranty
I am pretty impressed with the service, many places would have tried to avoid doing that list of work. There is nothing major in the list except perhaps the aircon, but they are fiddly and annoying.
I should get the car next week, its a highish spec I think, challenge grille, factory shields, electric daytonas with contrasting inserts and piping, leather headlining etc, cd player, yellow rev counter
hyphen said:
Congrats! What colour is it?
And is all that work that you pointed out/came up in an independent inspection? Or dealer himself?
Mainly the dealer, I picked up the small things like annoying sun visor. And is all that work that you pointed out/came up in an independent inspection? Or dealer himself?
Nero Daytona (metallic black) with sabbia leather, black piping and inserts.
Edited by blueg33 on Wednesday 26th August 20:32
SFTWend said:
That sounds like a comprehensive list and exceptionally prepared car. Now I can understand why they might have been offended at your suggestion of a PPI.
Bet you are excited.
TBH had I purchased elsewhere they would have been on the list to carry out the ppi. Bet you are excited.
I am excited, a week Friday I pick it up.
Bebs said:
Well done. Looks like a lovely car and a very impressive amount of work being carried out before hand over! Should give you trouble free motoring for the foreseeable future.
Next step is to take it down to AV Engineering and get their ECU tune and faster F1 paddle shift upgrade. It will transform the car entirely!
Strange you should mention that......Next step is to take it down to AV Engineering and get their ECU tune and faster F1 paddle shift upgrade. It will transform the car entirely!
I will once I have spare funds, in the middle of buying an investment property too - lawyers are taking all my money
amgmcqueen said:
Congratulations on your Ferrari purchase.
Are you able to give any feedback/opinions on how it compares to the Evora? Do you prefer it?
Thanks.
This is what I said on another thread. Are you able to give any feedback/opinions on how it compares to the Evora? Do you prefer it?
Thanks.
blueg33 said:
Interestingly, I have been asked a similar question on the Lotus Forums.
I loved the Evora, I had an n/a car and then a supercharged one. The thing that originally sold me was the steering feel and sense of occasion (it felt like a super car in many ways), it was compromised but those added to the character, eg the aluminium switch gear was unique but badly placed, the seats the most comfortable buckets I have sat in but suffer from bolster wear. The exhaust sounded good, mine had motorsports exhausts). Occasionally, especially in the S you could feel that the CoG at the rear was a bit high, the n/a had better balance. I was looking at 911's and Caymans at the time, the Lotus steering feel just blew them out of the water for me.
The Ferrari is 13 years older than my last Evora was, yet it has very similar steering, much better power delivery and is alot faster (to me at least) from about 50mph up. The sound at 7-8000 rpm is fantastic. the interior materials are way ahead in quality terms, but the seats slightly less comfy.
Running costs - the Lotus was a bargain despite numerous niggles that needed to be sorted, the average service was under £400 at a dealer, plus usually around £150 to sort niggles eg cracked A pillars. The S averaged about 23mpg the n/a about 32mpg. The Ferrari is obviously going to be more expensive, its old and its a Ferrari, insurance is about the same for the same mileage and business use £350 for me, the Ferrari is way under 20mpg so far. Fewer niggles with the Ferrari but bigger servicing bills.
Both cars have a sense of occasion and so far I like them equally. Ferrari, however, seem very supportive of people who own their cars, Lotus Silverstone were great, Lotus less so, but Ferrari are already inviting me to events (Lotus never did), they have great offers for servicing on older models and you sort of feel part of a lifestyle club but its not intrusive.
Either car is fantastic, for me the Ferrari itch needed to be scratched, I needed a high revving V8 that is considered by many to be one of the best engines made, in my life, and that engine lifts the Ferrari above the Lotus.
Some pics, because I like them
n/a Evora at Prescott
Evora S Sports Racer
Ferrari 360
I loved the Evora, I had an n/a car and then a supercharged one. The thing that originally sold me was the steering feel and sense of occasion (it felt like a super car in many ways), it was compromised but those added to the character, eg the aluminium switch gear was unique but badly placed, the seats the most comfortable buckets I have sat in but suffer from bolster wear. The exhaust sounded good, mine had motorsports exhausts). Occasionally, especially in the S you could feel that the CoG at the rear was a bit high, the n/a had better balance. I was looking at 911's and Caymans at the time, the Lotus steering feel just blew them out of the water for me.
The Ferrari is 13 years older than my last Evora was, yet it has very similar steering, much better power delivery and is alot faster (to me at least) from about 50mph up. The sound at 7-8000 rpm is fantastic. the interior materials are way ahead in quality terms, but the seats slightly less comfy.
Running costs - the Lotus was a bargain despite numerous niggles that needed to be sorted, the average service was under £400 at a dealer, plus usually around £150 to sort niggles eg cracked A pillars. The S averaged about 23mpg the n/a about 32mpg. The Ferrari is obviously going to be more expensive, its old and its a Ferrari, insurance is about the same for the same mileage and business use £350 for me, the Ferrari is way under 20mpg so far. Fewer niggles with the Ferrari but bigger servicing bills.
Both cars have a sense of occasion and so far I like them equally. Ferrari, however, seem very supportive of people who own their cars, Lotus Silverstone were great, Lotus less so, but Ferrari are already inviting me to events (Lotus never did), they have great offers for servicing on older models and you sort of feel part of a lifestyle club but its not intrusive.
Either car is fantastic, for me the Ferrari itch needed to be scratched, I needed a high revving V8 that is considered by many to be one of the best engines made, in my life, and that engine lifts the Ferrari above the Lotus.
Some pics, because I like them
n/a Evora at Prescott
Evora S Sports Racer
Ferrari 360
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