F12 considerations

[CarsandLeeds]

Hello all. Keen to hear any good advice with regards to getting into an F12.

Would be first Ferrari , coming out of a db11.

I would see carbon driver zone and lift as the only real must have options. What’s the consensus on the more desirable seats ? I’m not sure racing seats suit the car as much but are they better for resale ?

And of course prices! Market is slow , will get a poor bid on my db11 , is f12 stock clearing at advertised prices ( ie 190-220ish for 2013-2015 cars depending on spec / mileage ) or are cars trading hands at well below advertised levels?

Any advice much appreciated.

[CarsandLeeds]

andrew said:

why are you dumping the db11 so soon ?

Had it a while , lovely car but clearly f12 another level

[CarsandLeeds]

_Leg_ said:

Mine's red, carbon, carbon engine bay, carbon interior, carbon buckets (large), lift, cameras, JBL sound system.

I've toured as far as Amalfi with the Mrs in it and the carbon seats are very comfy. Personally I don't like the other seat options but it's obviously a personal choice. I don't have lift on my 458 and never needed it but I would say it's worth having on the F12 with that big bonnet. Not so much for speed bumps etc but more for acute changes of road incline/car park entrances.

Awesome car. I've had the exhaust valves fixed open on mine by the local Ferrari dealer, sounds epic.

Not sure where prices on the F12 specifically are but the market is flat so I would think deals are to be done. Mine isn't, and likely never will be, for sale. What a thing.

By the way, are you in Leeds?

Stelvio. Wet. In Race mode. Haha, bonkers. Just do it. You wont regret it. Well, apart from the fuel costs. Oops.

Wow, looks incredible !

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I am from Leeds ( well, near enough ) but living down south.

[CarsandLeeds]

seawise said:

F12 is a truly wonderful car, I would imagine a very different beast from the DB11, much more intense.

I have a 2014 example in Grigio Ferro, with a lot of interior and exterior carbon, lift, passenger display, etc - the first owner went mad on options, almost £100k worth.

I wouldn't say there are any specific essentials except parking cameras (it's a long car with no protection) and the carbon driving zone, but clearly cars with a restrained colour (greys and blues), lots of interior carbon and lift seem to sell faster than the more 'individual/personal' specs/colour.

They seem relatively strong/reliable cars, but I would not considering buying outside of the official Ferrari network. The main dealers always seem to have the best stock and prices seem quite sensible at the moment and now is the time of year to strike a deal.

Mine will have to go soon, as I have a new 812 SF due for build early 2019, which is exciting as it's the first Ferrari that I have specified from new, so it has the perfect colour/options combo for me. But I will miss my F12, as I think it's a much better looking car than it's replacement and I think will be seen as a modern classic in the near future. And it's performance is properly mental.
Do it !

Thanks a lot for the feedback, seawise. Good point on the cameras, didn't have that as an essential but given my parking skills even in small cars seems very sensible.

[CarsandLeeds]

Insurancejon said:

I'm on the same hunt as you, and I've found some massive flexibility on pricing, just not enough to make me make the leap yet.

One Ferrari dealer dropped 15k in one phone call

Be good if we don’t compete for the same cars !
Some dealers seem to be increasing prices on some of the cars I have been looking at. Incredible.

[CarsandLeeds]

What are the Collective's views on standard seats vs carbon racing seats? I prefer the racing seats, but guess the car probably better suited to the standard seats?

Also how important is number of owners? have seen a few that have 4-5 previous but not necesarily priced low for it - is this a major consideration for potential buyers?

Coming from McLaren via Aston am stunned at the pricing discipline of F dealers even given time of year and market backdrop... but the hunt goes on!

[CarsandLeeds]

Insurancejon said:

Well after a couple of months of searching for the right car I've bought one today. Can't wait till Saturday to pick her up.

Grigio Ferro with grey and black interior, daytona seats and lot of carbon

Massive congrats .... pictures ASAP pls !

Still on the hunt here. Prices still seem fairly static despite what seems to be going on in the rest of the high end market.

[CarsandLeeds]

seawise said:

F12 gone, but never forgotten - the replacement should be fun as well, but I suspect not massively better.

Lovely spec - what colours ?

[CarsandLeeds]

beautiful car, massive congrats - enjoy in good health!
was that car advertised by the way? have been looking for ages and don't recognise it!

[CarsandLeeds]

So now having seroius FOMO having started this thread and seen so many cars bought whilst I am yet to find one !

Feels like at least one of my Red Lines on spec will need to go.

There don’t seem to be that many cars around with suspension lift. Anyone have a view as to how strictly necessary it is ? Not sure how to find nose overhang stats to compare to other cars I have had.

[CarsandLeeds]

I am down to 2 cars
Similar price age and mileage
Comes down to choice of :

1 - suspension lift and racing seats , some interior carbon not all , no hi power hi fi

Or

2 - no lift , Daytona seats , full interior carbon and high power hifi

All other spec similar

Any pearls of wisdom from this learned group to help break the deadlock??

[CarsandLeeds]

Beni997 said:

Just picked it up, great service from Tom as usual

Looks stunning. Those seats are awesome. Enjoy !!

[CarsandLeeds]

Finally closed a deal on an F12 today , excited would be an understatement! Finally realised the most important things to me were a) black b) racing seats and c) lift. Bought the best car ( I think) that has all those and a bit more , ironically back to one of the first cars I saw.

Many thanks to all who have helped with my many questions on this thread , escpecially Leg and Seawise - it’s all been invaluable !

[CarsandLeeds]

Picked her up at the weekend. Not had the weather yet to really have a go but Christ what a weapon ! Just grinned the entire way home and the great thing is you don’t need to be going 100+ to get that incredible noise from the engine. I know I am biased but difficult to see what could better this. Ludicrous !

[CarsandLeeds]

Oh no , it’s become a depreciation thread !!

Still loving mine - 2k miles in and enjoyed every minute , more than any other car I’ve owned.

Amazing as 812s are ( and I’d love to own one one day) , if f12s really are half the price that’s an absolute “bargain” in my eyes.

[CarsandLeeds]

B3NJY said:

I bought my F12 twelve months ago and I have never once thought about the depreciation/mileage factor.

Possibly this is to do with the fact I never intend on selling it but I just feel it’s very sad that some Ferrari owners are scared to put miles on them due to resale values. If this is the case why on earth do these people buy them in the first place?

Same here. Longest I have had a car for without starting to feel the itch to change. Absolute weapon. And two sets of golf clubs in the back. Can’t beat it

[CarsandLeeds]

cayman-black said:

CarsandLeeds said:

Same here. Longest I have had a car for without starting to feel the itch to change. Absolute weapon. And two sets of golf clubs in the back. Can’t beat it

That's good because as i see it none of these are selling.

Can I ask the point of that comment ? Apart from to be negative and dismissive purely for the sake of it, of course