Any TDF owners here?

[AndrewD]

May be getting one - any owners on here care to share their experiences and opinions on the cars?

Would be very interesting to hear! Thanks

[AndrewD]

DeejRC said:

Andrew - seriously man, do you not think you have a condition? You are allowed to leave some cars for the rest of us you know...??

Fill your boots!!

[AndrewD]

I think it is a different proposition to an 812 - plenty of comparisons on youtube - but I can see why the question is asked.

[AndrewD]

triple5 said:

Jeez that's some garage Andrew, good effort.

Thanks

[AndrewD]

The exhaustman said:

Greedy, just plain greedy. Fair play to you.

[AndrewD]

andrew said:

DeejRC said:

Andrew - seriously man, do you not think you have a condition? You are allowed to leave some cars for the rest of us you know...??

please don't call him "andrew" : he's andrew diesel, the noisy, smelly, slow variant

Andrew Diesel, like Vin Diesel

[AndrewD]

So no owners willing to share experiences on their cars?

[AndrewD]

From a driver’s perspective the car is completely different to an F12 or 812. I could not stop smiling after my test drive yesterday (in the wet too). It’s a car you learn and as you do this, it rewards. An 812 is a great car but you can just get into it and drive it fast.

It fits exactly the cars I already own, and all of them get driven.

Deal done, can’t wait for it to arrive

[AndrewD]

Taffy66 said:

Stunning example of a TDF. Looks amazing in Giallo Triplo Strato with all the carbon. Looks like you bought Damon's old car form Octave Collection which was priced pretty realistically even before haggling. If you intend to drive it in the wet i strongly suggest you fit some K1 MP4Ss as Mr JWW has recently done to tame its spikiness when wet and cold.
Personally i'd be petrified to drive it on a regular basis but good on you for taking a more adventurous stance

Thanks Taffy - as footsoldier mentioned, unlikely to put 10,000 miles a year but will drive it whenever the mood takes. My CGT has almost 16k miles and 4.0RS on 17k miles. Did 10,000 in the 599 GTO too before I sold it, and 11,000 in the 16M.

Gregor-lun1d said:

Was just going to say that's a relatively 'well known' TDF. Lovely thing. Congratulations!!

MDL111 said:

Congrats - you are not missing many of the cars I would really like to own :-)
Let us know how you get on with it

Thanks guys

[AndrewD]

DMC2 said:

Sorry Andrew, I just look at that and think ‘Charlie Brown’

David, why apologise for your weird eyesight?

[AndrewD]

paul0843 said:

https://youtu.be/XwuqcAxtsso

I would agree with Chris, why should an almost 800bhp supercar be easy to drive! And to build on his comment, for me, not only is it all about the front axle but also the drivetrain. Which is just awesome.

[AndrewD]

WCZ said:

the only thing is that it's really easy to make a supercar hard to drive

if you disabled the traction control systems on a regular f12 and tuned it slightly you'd be there as the standard f12 was already a handful

If that’s what Ferrari were aiming for then I guess that’s what they would have done. Or simply fit space savers to the rear. Back in the day we fitted worn 6 inch ACB10’s on the back of our Caterhams too.

The work they did on the chassis wasn’t to make it a handful or hard to drive, it was to sharpen the front end. The result is a car that needs you to learn to exploit it.

[AndrewD]

ras62 said:

I don't think many drivers learn to exploit a car with this power. Its all down to the electronic package doing the job and in the case of the tdf Ferrari didn't do a particularly good job integrating the systems. Much like the F1 team not everything that leaves the factory is sprinkled in magic despite what sycophantic jouno's may say.

In what way, specifically, in your actual experience, did they not do a good job integrating the systems? Interested in the technical details if you would care to share.

[AndrewD]

OldAndTired said:

Surely you either have a pure analogue car or you have a digital car.

By definition a digital car should never be “difficult to drive”. The false machismo attributed to this is bizarre. If a digital car is difficult to drive then it’s design has been poorly executed.

I doubt very much that Hamilton or Bottas get out of their digital F1 cars and demand that they are made to be more difficult to drive. Mercedes win year after year because their cars are easier to drive. They are more manageable and therefore the drivers can extract maximum performance from them.

It might sit well for TDF owners to wax lyrical about the raw, untamed power that they can learn to master - and if it elevates values too good for them. But if it’s difficult to drive then it’s flawed.

Why do people who have no clue about the topic appear to jump into threads to add completely irrelevant nonsense? It seems so many PH threads go this way.

The point is, all cars these days have systems. In my view, and seemingly others who spend real money on this stuff, it is good to see manufacturers trying different things and producing cars with different characteristics. Nobody is talking about being macho but you.

This started as a simple question to other owners. If anybody wants to rubbish the car, I’d like to hear it if you are an owner. Otherwise, seriously, why bother posting all this made up crap?

WTF have formula 1 cars got to do with anything either? They are cars built to regulations, to win races. They aren’t road cars. And followed to its logical conclusion all the cars I own would all drive the same. How imaginative that would be.

I guess this is why we haven’t seen any owners posting. I will follow their lead - guys you are welcome to the thread and the forum.

Edited by AndrewD on Tuesday 3rd November 09:36

Edited by AndrewD on Tuesday 3rd November 09:38