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Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
breadvan said:
Blimey, that looks lovely.
2k miles and what, half price?
2k miles and what, half price?
It does look a nice car, I would like to get a better understanding on why it has the unusual wing vents.
Have these been retro fitted?
Not sure on the list price as I think these got discounted when new, from ready other threads these have taken a hammering in price lately so it could be half price I guess.
It’s also a Coupé, I think the cab carries more of a following and is priced higher.
Sarnie said:
GT4RS said:
It does look a nice car, I would like to get a better understanding on why it has the unusual wing vents.
Have these been retro fitted?
Not sure on the list price as I think these got discounted when new, from ready other threads these have taken a hammering in price lately so it could be half price I guess.
It’s also a Coupé, I think the cab carries more of a following and is priced higher.
Charlie360 said:
I noticed that car too and it's now 2K cheaper as well. I had been looking at 720s, but given the way the market is going everywhere I wonder if this is a more sensible option - the coupes have a nicer roof line in my view.
Am I correct in thinking it’s been up for sale for a long time? Clearly that dealer has seen this thread and know people are talking about the car so has decided to take his chance and increase his asking price. If so it’s not good business IMO.
I’ve kept an eye on the coupe which VVS have had up for sale since the summer at £117k, it hasn’t been dropped in price yet but assume a drop on this car may be coming or it may get taken off sale as it doesn’t look good being for sale for so long.
There’s a few Mclaren dealer spiders priced around £125k now, IMO it would make sense to try and secure a deal on a siper which has been Mclaren inspected and you also get the benefit of the 12 month warranty.
I’m contemplating another car and a 650s may fit the bill compared to other cars available.
Do people think these will follow the 12c pricing? I don’t really want to take a £40k hit over 2 to 3 years on a car I will do around 2000 miles a year in at most.
Would anyone know what the trade bid would be on the black car in this advert?
I’ve kept an eye on the coupe which VVS have had up for sale since the summer at £117k, it hasn’t been dropped in price yet but assume a drop on this car may be coming or it may get taken off sale as it doesn’t look good being for sale for so long.
There’s a few Mclaren dealer spiders priced around £125k now, IMO it would make sense to try and secure a deal on a siper which has been Mclaren inspected and you also get the benefit of the 12 month warranty.
I’m contemplating another car and a 650s may fit the bill compared to other cars available.
Do people think these will follow the 12c pricing? I don’t really want to take a £40k hit over 2 to 3 years on a car I will do around 2000 miles a year in at most.
Would anyone know what the trade bid would be on the black car in this advert?
br d said:
Charlie360 said:
Hi Brad, thank you for the input, having owned both, I guess you've voted with your feet and gone from 650 to 570 via 720, so are well placed to answer that - is the 720 really noticeably faster on the road (I know Mclaren figures show 0-60 in 2.9 vs 3.0 or something similar) but do you really notice 0.1 of a second? and from my perspective, it's the more intangible differences, plus the reliability question - the depreciation is a known (or rather we can make our own judgement, based upon the vehicle's values on the market) Sorry for the rambling question, but I'm trying to judge if it's worthwhile and am therefore interested from an ownership perspective, which I cannot judge from a 5 minute test drive of either car.
Hi Charlie, no problem at all for the question, having owned a 650, 720 and 570 in the space of 18 months I probably do have some insights but please bare in mind I don't track cars, can't tell one end of a spanner from another and I'm far from being a driving god so don't take my word as gospel!And very importantly this stuff is all subjective, these are just my thoughts on these cars, not to be confused with the real world!
There have been some great comments after yours from people who know what they're talking about. What WCZ says about the appeal of knowing you are in an "everything else slayer" is spot on, you do get a lovely frisson whenever you get in your 720 and I initially thought that was worth a fair chunk of the money alone, however, my opinion changed.
I've been buying decent cars for about 15 years and always chased the numbers, always wanted the quickest car I could afford and it becomes a bit of an addiction. When I test drove the 720S I wasn't even really concentrating on the cars characteristics, it was the fastest thing on the road so I was buying it, end of story.
When there were threads on PH about how much power is really usable I was always the person who said "You can never have too much! Even if you don't use it just having it in reserve is great!"
I don't feel like this any more. I should have listened to myself really, when I took the 650S to Europe I wrote on a thread on here that I couldn't drive the car to anywhere near it's capability, even on empty, perfect roads in Southern France or Germany I couldn't floor it through the gears because it was just too insanely quick.
On a track it the 650S would have been the greatest piece of metal money could buy but on real roads, no matter how open, safe, grippy, isolated or whatever else comes into your head you cannot get it to break a sweat. Of course you could throw it into a 20mph hairpin at 80 but you know what I mean.
The 650S did everything I could wish for, coupled with it being a spider which was a huge part of the enjoyment for me, especially on Euro trips, I was in heaven. Okay it doesn't sound too exciting but the roof down makes up for a lot of that.
Of course once I'd seen a few facts about the 720S my brain imploded and the car was ordered. Bye bye 650S!
I bought it with the Gorilla glass thinking that would at least compensate a bit for being a coupe and all the other shiny options that drive up your blood pressure.
The car arrived in late March and I had a long Euro trip booked for May, perfect timing. I had about 400 miles on it when I set off and the first trip was a long Toll Road run down to Beaune so it would be nicely run in before the real roads started.
Let me say the 720S is an absolute monster. Anybody who owns one has hit the jackpot in life and my hat is off to them. The power of the thing is beyond anything you can imagine unless you've spent a bit of time racing cars. Isaldiri is right, it is noticeably quicker than the 650S and that hardly seems credible. The first time I drove it hard on a 50 kilometre stretch of empty roads outside Beaune I thought I was going to have a heart attack.
The rate at which the numbers climb on the speedo is frankly ridiculous, all the cells in your body are vibrating like a Rampant Rabbit and you literally forget to breath. You aren't judging the cars handling or assessing it's turn-in or any of that car enthusiasts b
ks you're just fking tripping balls!When you finally pull up somewhere you slither out of the thing with legs like jelly.
That was being alive there's no doubt about it.
BUT.
It wore off.
This is the bit I find hard to explain because Petrol Heads look at me like I've gone senile.
It's just way too much.
I realised pretty quickly that driving it like that was so far outside my comfort zone that I was just being a complete arse. I would kill someone, no question.l I wasn't capable of reacting to even the slightest issue at that level.
So I stopped doing that. I wasn't ever going to take the wrapping off properly so to speak. After 15 years of chasing numbers I finally did it, I bought something that I couldn't use.
And then it wasn't quite so special after all. I had 18 days of glorious sunshine in the Alps and it felt like I was sitting in a chicken coop, the Gorilla Glass does nothing, you're in a box basically with the sun shining outside. That applies to any non-convertible of course but I could've had a convertible. It handles fine of course but around town it is a little bit heavy handed, the radio was s
t, there were too many rattles.As you can tell I went off it. And once the magic has gone then things that wouldn't usually matter start being a pain.
Remember, this is only my opinion!
In the end we didn't gel, me and the 720S.The best way to describe it is that after driving 3 thousand miles around the best roads in Europe something didn't happen. I don't know what didn't happen, I'm not clever enough to tell, but something didn't.
When I pulled up on the driveway at home after the trip I just thought "Nope". And when you're spending this sort of money on a car you can't be thinking like that, that's right out. Life is too short to be unmoved by a toy you just spent north of a quarter of a million quid on.
So I ordered a 570S Spider! I thought why not? The latest Ferrari range bores me a bit and while I do love Lambo's in general I didn't like the Huracan and the Performante is just too "Boy Racer" for me (sorry guys!!) so lets have another McLaren. It's the only one I hadn't had (I don't make Senna money), it was a current model and I could have a Spider again!
And it's fantastic. It's easily the best of the 3. I know people might say "Well you would say that because you own one" but come on, I had a bloody 720! A car the vast majority of people would rate way higher than the 570. I drove it 3500 miles in a month, very few do, and I moved it on because it didn't suit, I don't just say stuff for the sake of it, the 570 Spider is a fabulous thing!
Obviously, the roof but so much more. The 650 and 720 both had that "Plant your foot and hang on" thing going on, the 570 is different, you have to drive it. It wakes up at about 4 and half thousand revs so you have to work the box, you feel like you're involved even if it is still paddles. I have an MSO exhaust which makes a lovely scream high in the revs so I constantly row through the gears to keep it on. The steering is epic. I loved the 650 but it was a bit light up front.
The 570 goes like stink! On paper it's slightly slower than a 650 but I can't tell and much more importantly I can use it. I can floor it and be in control. Of course the 720 is faster but to what end? I live in South Essex, there's a speed camera every 74 inches, I have to get out in the country roads early on a Sunday to enjoy myself and the 570 is perfect for that.
It feels light, rapid, sure-footed and up for it. Good grief I may keep it!
Now as I said at the start this is all subjective.
I'm not saying the 570 is a better car than the 720 but I am saying the 570 is a better car for me than the 720. And I bought the T-Shirt.
I'm very happy with this car. Of course I'm 55 next year, slowing down a bit definitely. This is probably all different for you young bloods and Charlie you'll definitely need to drive them all as much as you can before parting with the cash.
After all this waffling if I had to give any advice I'd say get a convertible, McLaren have nailed that side of things (cough Carbon Tub cough), it just juices the whole experience up and great for driving trips.
Oh, and take driving trips.
Food for thought for all.
isaldiri said:
f1ten said:
Very good Write up on the ownership experience. It does seem now that the top super cars are actually too fast well too fast for 90% of roads and at least 50% of the time.
Ive Driven a 650s spider and thought it was bloody rapid and drove a 570gt but although a slightly smaller car I liked the pin sharp 650s more.
One could probably argue sports cars have been too fast for 99% of roads and probably 90% of the time as well for a good long time already as one is realistically limited by how much risk you're prepared to put others and yourself on the road rather than by the car as long as it's a reasonably modern sports car. I do think the issue is more an issue of perception of speed though. Yes the 720 is almost unbelieveably quick but a 675 isn't, all things considered, much slower than a 720 but the sensation of speed is far greater so you don't look down at the speedometer when you think you're pootling along and see well in excess of 3 figures. That's also something ime the 570 arguably does better than the 12c/650 did. Ive Driven a 650s spider and thought it was bloody rapid and drove a 570gt but although a slightly smaller car I liked the pin sharp 650s more.
It's not just a question of 'is the car too fast for the road' but perhaps a matter of 'is it simply too effortlessly quick'....? actually having to put a bit of effort into driving quickly (especially that quickly) is something that matters as much and perhaps more than absolute performance for some people...
We have all this technology and buttons to press to make these things go fast but being honest most are to fast for the road without pressing extra buttons.
Dc5991 said:
I think its the same car, been for sale here for a while, looks amazing, if only !!!!
https://www.thecarfinders.co.uk/copy-of-vehicle-3
Do you know how long it’s roughly been up for sale for with these guys? https://www.thecarfinders.co.uk/copy-of-vehicle-3
Thanks for the link
Edited by GT4RS on Wednesday 19th December 22:36
jamieo said:
GT4RS said:
Hi
Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A nice looking car. I bought a 650 coupe earlier in the year, had even less miles on it and like brand new. Paid more than this and was through McLaren dealer. Would anyone happen to know the owner of this 650s, I believe it may be on SOR and I have a question regarding the specification / original order.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
In general, I’ve loved having it. At first it felt insanely fast, but you get quite used to it. I wanted a spider, but having found such a mint coupe in the exact spec and colour (volcano red) I wanted, couldn’t pass it up. 570s didn’t quite do it for me, and 720s were significantly more expensive. I quite like having a coupe too, there are so few of them, as someone else said, probably under 50 in UK. Likely more 675LT coupes than 650s.
As for the black car, here’s my opinion. Red seats seem a bit of an acquired taste. I saw several cars seemingly sitting around with red interiors, particularly full red. This is only part red. All black interiors seem to be most common.
Unclear if it’s got McLaren warranty, a 2016 should probably just be running out so I assume not. That just affects price by 4-5k assuming you have check done at McLaren and all is ok with car.
It’s clearly been modified (MSO louvred wings), question is if it was like that from factory (MSO) or afterwards. And if afterwards then by who? Is it using McLaren parts or cheaper aftermarket? If McLaren, I’d say ok. If not, would affect price for some.
Personally I like the louvered wings, you mostly only see them on MSO special edition cars or 675s.
It has extended paddles too, a really nice and unusual option. Other than that, spec seems on the good side but nothing unusual. It doesn’t have carbon front splitter not rear bumper, so not a high carbon spec car.
I’m not a fan of black, but plenty others are. More common to see wheels finished in stealth colour, you can easily get them done by same paint shop McLaren use.
You’ll not see louvers or paddles on many cars.
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
I’ve asked to the dealer to confirm if the vents are factory fitted and if it’s out of warranty, they are yet to reply.
I personally would only be interested in this car if the dealer is willing to have it inspected by Mclaren and they would need to add at least a 12 month Mclaren warranty on it for the original price it was advertised for.
The only thing which I’m unsure of is the colour of the interior, but I guess until you view it in the flesh it’s hard to tell.
A curve ball popped since I spotted this one.
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Spider for coupe money and a slightly more neutral interior?
Taffy66 said:
For similar money i'd always choose the 650 Spyder over the Coupe to get maximum benefit of the super stiff carbon shell.
In complete contrast when i was recently shopping for my 458 i never considered the Spyder as it compromised the structural integrity of the chassis..Am i a good enough of a driver to benefit from this....i very much doubt it, but the placebo effect goes a long way i suppose.!
Have a nice Xmas down in Cardiff..
Thanks taffy66In complete contrast when i was recently shopping for my 458 i never considered the Spyder as it compromised the structural integrity of the chassis..Am i a good enough of a driver to benefit from this....i very much doubt it, but the placebo effect goes a long way i suppose.!
Have a nice Xmas down in Cardiff..
I’ve never really been a convertible person, the only one I’ve owned was a boxster some years ago. Im not sure I want to be on full view anymore.
Can’t help looking at these and thinking they now represent great value for money now they seem to have dropped a little. Could be a nice change from Porsche and something I can use back and fore to the office when needed listening to the reviews, apparently it’s pretty good in traffic and lift seems to be effective.
Listening to the reviews apparently it’s hard to tell the difference between the coupe and the cab.
Do you know if 650s suffers similar gearbox issues to the 12c?
How are you getting on with your new purchase?
Thanks
Rob
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
This car seems to be doing rounds. The last independent garage which had it for sale marked it as sold! They also upped the price after a week or two so doesn’t say much for them.
Seems salty to me now even at £121,500 as they have dropped a bit over the last four month, you can get into a lovely low mile spider with a Mac warranty for less.
This car seems to be doing rounds. The last independent garage which had it for sale marked it as sold! They also upped the price after a week or two so doesn’t say much for them.
Seems salty to me now even at £121,500 as they have dropped a bit over the last four month, you can get into a lovely low mile spider with a Mac warranty for less.
GT4RS said:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
This car seems to be doing rounds. The last independent garage which had it for sale marked it as sold! They also upped the price after a week or two so doesn’t say much for them.
Seems salty to me now even at £121,500 as they have dropped a bit over the last four month, you can get into a lovely low mile spider with a Mac warranty for less.
Interesting since I last posted a few days ago they have now dropped in price by £1500. I would love to go and look at it try and strike a deal but imo it’s still to expensive compared to the spiders for sale and the fact that it isn’t being sold by Mclaren with a full warranty and inspection. There seems to be a nice supply of used spiders cars coming through. This car seems to be doing rounds. The last independent garage which had it for sale marked it as sold! They also upped the price after a week or two so doesn’t say much for them.
Seems salty to me now even at £121,500 as they have dropped a bit over the last four month, you can get into a lovely low mile spider with a Mac warranty for less.
Just checked if the coupe was still up for sale at the independents and wasn’t shocked to see it still was. It’s taken the best part of a 10k drop in price since I first spotted it and it still seems to be top heavy.
I really like it, but have a gut feeling this thing will still loose a lot of money per month?
I really like it, but have a gut feeling this thing will still loose a lot of money per month?
jamieo said:
https://www.alastairbols.com/cars/mclaren-650s-cou...
This is my car, just up for sale, moved to 675LT so genuine reason to move on.
Fantastic car, beautiful and mint. Comes with over 12 months McLaren warranty.
Hi Jamieo, wasn’t your car the one advertised recently privately? This is my car, just up for sale, moved to 675LT so genuine reason to move on.
Fantastic car, beautiful and mint. Comes with over 12 months McLaren warranty.
RSbandit said:
No harm in sticking in a bid I'd have thought sub 110k tho
It’s a beautiful car, but even sub 110k without a Mclaren warranty for protection it’s not for me. It’s on SOR and this is the third garage I’m aware of it being advertised for sale at. Clearly the market thinks it’s to pricey as well. I would imagine the owners trying his best to reduce his loses by going down SOR the car.
There seems to be a bit of a pattern with this car, they have now increased the price considerably back up to £125k ????
I’ve known the car fail to sell in 3 of the garages it’s been advertised in over the last year and a bit and on two occasions it’s had the price increased????
It didn’t sell a year ago at £125k why on earth would they increase the price back up tomtgis knowing it’s been moved around at least 3 garages and still failed to sell????
I guess the next part of the pattern was for it to be marked sold again only to pop up in another independent.
Is the owner of this car on this forum?
I’ve known the car fail to sell in 3 of the garages it’s been advertised in over the last year and a bit and on two occasions it’s had the price increased????
It didn’t sell a year ago at £125k why on earth would they increase the price back up tomtgis knowing it’s been moved around at least 3 garages and still failed to sell????
I guess the next part of the pattern was for it to be marked sold again only to pop up in another independent.
Is the owner of this car on this forum?
GT4RS said:
There seems to be a bit of a pattern with this car, they have now increased the price considerably back up to £125k ????
I’ve known the car fail to sell in 3 of the garages it’s been advertised in over the last year and a bit and on two occasions it’s had the price increased????
It didn’t sell a year ago at £125k why on earth would they increase the price back up tomtgis knowing it’s been moved around at least 3 garages and still failed to sell????
I guess the next part of the pattern was for it to be marked sold again only to pop up in another independent.
Is the owner of this car on this forum?
And now it’s on eBay for 10k less, back down to £115kI’ve known the car fail to sell in 3 of the garages it’s been advertised in over the last year and a bit and on two occasions it’s had the price increased????
It didn’t sell a year ago at £125k why on earth would they increase the price back up tomtgis knowing it’s been moved around at least 3 garages and still failed to sell????
I guess the next part of the pattern was for it to be marked sold again only to pop up in another independent.
Is the owner of this car on this forum?
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