SCC | Private Members Inaugural Meet
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RBT0 said:
How can I get an invite? I am local there.
You need to have a qualifying marque / car to join. Mostly super / hyper cars, with the odd interesting sports car.http://www.sccprivatemembers.com/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/245549456490520/
RBT0 said:
Yes I was joking, I thought you remembered that.
Dementia setting in. Anyway, the club was only started in April, but has swelled to 1k+ members. There's a lot of McLaren owners in it, as well as many other Marques. The BMM is the inaugural meet (100+ cars, possibly 200), although there has been two one-off events:
Youtuber PetrolPed contacted the club to ask if there was availablity of some cars for a special event at Goodwood to help celebrate a young lads 18th birthday.
Lovecars, with Tiff Needell, worked with the Club to provide some cars for a drag race. There's more drag races to come.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 7th August 22:56
carspath said:
What a curious club !
A general ( as in non-marque specific ) car club that aims to limit membership .
Why ?
Why does it need to be exclusive ?
It is hardly the Athenaeum or the Pitt is it ?
Why is it only open to owners and not to all enthusiasts ?
Surely it is limiting its access to knowledge , ardour , zeal and brio by excluding some of the most fervent , ardent and well informed car fanatics .
Driving a car is not the only way of enjoying it !
Certainly some of the car people I most gel with couldn't begin to afford the cars on this club's list , but believe me , they are more learned and enthusiastic about cars than most supercar / sportscar owners .
And a car enthusiast's club that excludes a Series 1 MX5 ( as just one example of many ) begs the question as to who decides , and on what basis , why some cars are granted the unique privilege of belonging to this supposedly '' exclusive private '' club , and others are not .
On what objective criteria would anyone sensible exclude a front mid-engined convertible with double wishbone suspension , fully adjustable suspension geometry , narrow , softly sprung , good outward visibility , manual , normally aspirated , and with narrow tyres so that power and torque match or slightly exceed grip ?
On the basis that it is too affordable or that it is too common ?
That is almost as cringe-worthy as talking up a common car club as being ' exclusive ' and ' private '.
To whoever is running this club , open it up to anyone interested in cars - you'll get a more informed and ardent membership - which will be to everyone's benefit .
You seem a bit miffed. A general ( as in non-marque specific ) car club that aims to limit membership .
Why ?
Why does it need to be exclusive ?
It is hardly the Athenaeum or the Pitt is it ?
Why is it only open to owners and not to all enthusiasts ?
Surely it is limiting its access to knowledge , ardour , zeal and brio by excluding some of the most fervent , ardent and well informed car fanatics .
Driving a car is not the only way of enjoying it !
Certainly some of the car people I most gel with couldn't begin to afford the cars on this club's list , but believe me , they are more learned and enthusiastic about cars than most supercar / sportscar owners .
And a car enthusiast's club that excludes a Series 1 MX5 ( as just one example of many ) begs the question as to who decides , and on what basis , why some cars are granted the unique privilege of belonging to this supposedly '' exclusive private '' club , and others are not .
On what objective criteria would anyone sensible exclude a front mid-engined convertible with double wishbone suspension , fully adjustable suspension geometry , narrow , softly sprung , good outward visibility , manual , normally aspirated , and with narrow tyres so that power and torque match or slightly exceed grip ?
On the basis that it is too affordable or that it is too common ?
That is almost as cringe-worthy as talking up a common car club as being ' exclusive ' and ' private '.
To whoever is running this club , open it up to anyone interested in cars - you'll get a more informed and ardent membership - which will be to everyone's benefit .
Edited by carspath on Friday 7th August 22:37
carspath said:
Hi MAC 720S - , Yes , I'm miffed because it smacks of simple minded snobbery .
From your previous postings , i know that you love your cars .
Should you in anyway be excluded from indulging in that passion simply because you couldn't afford to buy one ?
Reading this club's advert , threw me back to Feb 1986 .
I had just started my first job .
It was as House Surgeon to Prof Sir Roy Calne , the Professor of Surgery at Cambridge , and was arguably the most sought after and prestigious junior doctor's post in the UK .
I worked an 18 hour day , and had a weekend off every fortnight .
For this I was paid the princely sum of £600/ month , and Autocar told me that my dream car then cost £58,800 ( By 1988 the same car cost £86600)
Even with my almost non-existent mathematical skills , I worked out that getting hold of this car was going to be a trifle difficult .
But i had been following that model of car since 1971 , and knew tons about it . Tons and tons .
Should i have been excluded from getting more intimate with this model simply because i couldn't own one ?
The exact same issues surface with regards to this car club - and the unashamed snobbery makes me cringe on the behalf of the organizers .
To talk about ' private ' and 'exclusive ' - for the sake of God , its a car club , not a nomination for the Nobel prize .
Just let anyone who can be bothered , IN .
It simply doesn't come across well ,trying to sell something that is patently not exclusive , as being exclusive !
Its a car club .
Many people who wouldn't know a front wheel from a steering wheel could get one on a PCP or HP or whatever is the flavor of the week .
Hardly exclusive is it ?
Anyway , i've written to the organizers telling them that i am the very proud owner of a 1993 , 147,000 mile , slightly rusty , but mechanically perfect MX5 Series 1 , and asking if i could join their Private and Exclusive club .
Oh , and I copied in my first posting from this thread onto that message .
I'll keep you updated as to whether the Patricians deign to reply .
It’s a car owners club for events, not an online free-for-all forum such as PH. I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I doubt any of the members joined to discuss the size of their pistons or how to trail brake (whatever that is). There are marque specific forums and dedicated clubs if an owner is interested in that type of thing. Please don’t keep me updated. It is uninteresting what you have wrote and bears no relevance to what I asked. From your previous postings , i know that you love your cars .
Should you in anyway be excluded from indulging in that passion simply because you couldn't afford to buy one ?
Reading this club's advert , threw me back to Feb 1986 .
I had just started my first job .
It was as House Surgeon to Prof Sir Roy Calne , the Professor of Surgery at Cambridge , and was arguably the most sought after and prestigious junior doctor's post in the UK .
I worked an 18 hour day , and had a weekend off every fortnight .
For this I was paid the princely sum of £600/ month , and Autocar told me that my dream car then cost £58,800 ( By 1988 the same car cost £86600)
Even with my almost non-existent mathematical skills , I worked out that getting hold of this car was going to be a trifle difficult .
But i had been following that model of car since 1971 , and knew tons about it . Tons and tons .
Should i have been excluded from getting more intimate with this model simply because i couldn't own one ?
The exact same issues surface with regards to this car club - and the unashamed snobbery makes me cringe on the behalf of the organizers .
To talk about ' private ' and 'exclusive ' - for the sake of God , its a car club , not a nomination for the Nobel prize .
Just let anyone who can be bothered , IN .
It simply doesn't come across well ,trying to sell something that is patently not exclusive , as being exclusive !
Its a car club .
Many people who wouldn't know a front wheel from a steering wheel could get one on a PCP or HP or whatever is the flavor of the week .
Hardly exclusive is it ?
Anyway , i've written to the organizers telling them that i am the very proud owner of a 1993 , 147,000 mile , slightly rusty , but mechanically perfect MX5 Series 1 , and asking if i could join their Private and Exclusive club .
Oh , and I copied in my first posting from this thread onto that message .
I'll keep you updated as to whether the Patricians deign to reply .
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 00:08
P.s. I’ve been a member of SCC since inception
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 8th August 08:41
carspath said:
Mac720S .... I spelt it out in longhand for you , so that (as a member from inception) you could maybe explain why you chose to join a private and exclusive car club whose only entry criteria is money
Instead you have studiously chosen to ignore , and not answer this fundamental point .
I will take your instructions and not update you personally on any response that the Patricians choose to respond with .
However this is a legitimate topic , so I will choose to keep the forum informed .
You say that it is a car owners club for events , and in the same posting say that it is not for discussing pistons or trail braking .
So it is a car club for actually driving .
Fair enough
So why not open it up to passionate enthusiasts with an MX5
A well set up and driven Series 1 , will not completely lose sight of a 720S on a tight , narrow and curvy Broad in the UK , if you are not totally breaking every law in town .
Surely these types of roads are the most enjoyable... you aren’t suggesting just driving in a straight line is great fun are you ?
Have I spelt it out clearly enough for you yet ?
This is nothing about driving cars or about being interested in cars .
It reeks of simple minded snobbery .... so please respond to that fundamental point .... after all you chose to join this private and exclusive club from inception , so presumably you gave it an iota of thought beforehand .
The selected cars don't make ANY sense at all .
2 further examples :
Porsche 718 is in , but 981 is not !
Really !
Why ?
The same car , but the 981 has the illustrious flat 6 boxer engine , and the 718 the somewhat less revered turbo 4 .
The Lotus Elise R from 2010 is in , but the 111R is not.
Again the same basic car , withstanding a 4% difference in aerodynamic drag due to the later body .
So you see it’s nothing about the driving ( what you call car events ) either ....... it’s simple minded car snobbery that gives anyone who wants to take on a PCP deal a free entry ticket .
This private and exclusive car club ( I,m almost in a complete giggle typing this out ) is NOT exclusive ...... can you not see how embarrassing it is to choose to join such a club ?
Do respond if you have a firm and logical set of facts to back your argument for choosing to be a member from inception .
Simply saying that a spelt out argument is mind numbingly boring doesn’t move a discussion forwards , and neither does going off in a huff .
That just suggests that you lack the facts to proffer up a decent defence .
Driving is driving whatever car you have .
The car is almost immaterial .
Jeez, you do like to argue and insult. It’s a private club for supercar owners. If you don’t like it, that’s your problem. 1000+ members will disagree.Instead you have studiously chosen to ignore , and not answer this fundamental point .
I will take your instructions and not update you personally on any response that the Patricians choose to respond with .
However this is a legitimate topic , so I will choose to keep the forum informed .
You say that it is a car owners club for events , and in the same posting say that it is not for discussing pistons or trail braking .
So it is a car club for actually driving .
Fair enough
So why not open it up to passionate enthusiasts with an MX5
A well set up and driven Series 1 , will not completely lose sight of a 720S on a tight , narrow and curvy Broad in the UK , if you are not totally breaking every law in town .
Surely these types of roads are the most enjoyable... you aren’t suggesting just driving in a straight line is great fun are you ?
Have I spelt it out clearly enough for you yet ?
This is nothing about driving cars or about being interested in cars .
It reeks of simple minded snobbery .... so please respond to that fundamental point .... after all you chose to join this private and exclusive club from inception , so presumably you gave it an iota of thought beforehand .
The selected cars don't make ANY sense at all .
2 further examples :
Porsche 718 is in , but 981 is not !
Really !
Why ?
The same car , but the 981 has the illustrious flat 6 boxer engine , and the 718 the somewhat less revered turbo 4 .
The Lotus Elise R from 2010 is in , but the 111R is not.
Again the same basic car , withstanding a 4% difference in aerodynamic drag due to the later body .
So you see it’s nothing about the driving ( what you call car events ) either ....... it’s simple minded car snobbery that gives anyone who wants to take on a PCP deal a free entry ticket .
This private and exclusive car club ( I,m almost in a complete giggle typing this out ) is NOT exclusive ...... can you not see how embarrassing it is to choose to join such a club ?
Do respond if you have a firm and logical set of facts to back your argument for choosing to be a member from inception .
Simply saying that a spelt out argument is mind numbingly boring doesn’t move a discussion forwards , and neither does going off in a huff .
That just suggests that you lack the facts to proffer up a decent defence .
Driving is driving whatever car you have .
The car is almost immaterial .
Edited by carspath on Saturday 8th August 09:05
carspath said:
Hi OldandTired ,
Thanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
FFSThanks for writing in . No need to apologise really , you're not derailing . This is great publicity for the SCC . Maybe i should be on commission.
I think that you are confusing the word elitism with meritocracy .
The OED defines elitism as '' a superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite ''.
I just checked in the OED to make sure that i hadn't got it wrong.
Most of us dont want to admit to wanting to be ''led '' by anyone .
You do realise that the word 'Elitism ' is a pejorative term dont you ?
You and the last poster appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the word , and appear to think that it is regarded as a good thing .
So i think that what you meant to write is '' ACHIEVEMENT is good . It motivates and directs aspiration '' rather than ELITISM is good etc, etc
Re Oxbridge , i was there in the early 80's , so thank you for the compliment .
Entrance then , and i believe still today , is based very , very largely on meritocracy ( Admittedly being put on a plane at the age of 12 , and being sent off to a supposedly elite boarding school might have helped a tiny bit , but it was and remains a fallacy that public schools mean as automatic entry to Oxbridge - meritocracy is the overarching consideration despite what the Leninists say . Anyway i thank my parents for that - i had no say in the matter ).
I think that Cambridge still has more Nobel Prize winners than the whole of France , so i wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it as a tour de force of academic achievement ( You see again that word Achievement rather than Elitism ) .
It certainly had in my day .
Re social mobility , sure there's a problem there , but it is being acknowledged and being addressed .
It must have been even more so in my day , but hey , ho dont let the Leninists mislead you - its not all bad .
The really important point is that Cambridge have openly acknowledged an issue , and are beginning to address it .
Which neatly leads us to this thread .
Why not acknowledge that there is no logic to the entry requirements
Do explain the 981/718 and Elise 11R / R issue that i refer to above .
Where is the logical basis for this discrepancy .
Why not answer this glaring question directly ?
It would be good to hear some logic .
The derailment is in avoiding answering the hard questions re membership and confusing it with 'elitism' , social mobility and potential .
The simple point remains that the only requirement to join this exclusive club remains the ability to sign on the dotted line of a PCP document .
So why not have some social mobility within this new club and allow the proles in with their rusty MX5's , 111Rs and 981's .
After all we are not dealing with a club that has a history dating back more than 3 months .
I think that both those cars can just about do 70 mph so let us in for the road driving events and exclude us from the track time .
These simple questions actually transcend simple car club membership and address something more fundamental .
Petrus1983 said:
I spotted your car (I think.... if it was on the grass) on their FB post. Was it a good event?
The event was really good but the weather seemed to have put a few off.Yes, that was mine on the grass. Shame it was drizzly / overcast and the drive up from Gloucester covered the car in crap. The convoy of approx 20 cars from Cirencester encountered a flock of sheep being driven up the Fosse Way which was quite amusing.
Petrol Ped was there and has released a video of the event on his Youtube channel.
EvoSid said:
Looked like a varied and good turn out.
But fir me I could think of nothing worse than showing of my car ( if it was even worth showing off ). No idea why I feel like that but I do and I would rather be thrashing it round some lovely roads
Yet at the same time I enjoy seeing all these cars and like to have wonder round at car events
Call me weird if you want
But best of luck to this club but I guess it is not for everyone
I get what you mean. It’s a similar argument to why people join online forums and consistently post content to be helpful and be part of the community spirit, yet there are people who only join in with their negativity and spite. But fir me I could think of nothing worse than showing of my car ( if it was even worth showing off ). No idea why I feel like that but I do and I would rather be thrashing it round some lovely roads
Yet at the same time I enjoy seeing all these cars and like to have wonder round at car events
Call me weird if you want
But best of luck to this club but I guess it is not for everyone
Most if not all owners who attend the events are giving up their free time to share the experience with other owners and members of the general public who enjoy cars. It’s a community thing rather than vanity.
BikeSausage said:
Just discovered this club and this thread. And I feel the same way. From what I can see, I have three cars on the slightly bizarre qualifying list.
Unlike another in this thread, I don’t feel strongly enough about this sort of club but I don’t understand the need to show my cars off, aspire to have a qualifying car (like a certain YouTuber) or gather in a field with other owners. Or drive slowly / noisily / antisocially in a convoy.
I also avoid so-called “private members clubs” in other walks of life like the plague. I guess I don’t have the right level of status anxiety and they tend to contain the type of person I try hard to avoid.
BUT……..it is fantastic to see the passion that we all have (in our different ways) for our cars. And I guess that joining such a club is just another way of expressing this passion. Great to see.
This, while for some I’m sure it is about status and showing off, most people I’d bet just like meeting and chatting to car enthusiasts and sharing their passion.Unlike another in this thread, I don’t feel strongly enough about this sort of club but I don’t understand the need to show my cars off, aspire to have a qualifying car (like a certain YouTuber) or gather in a field with other owners. Or drive slowly / noisily / antisocially in a convoy.
I also avoid so-called “private members clubs” in other walks of life like the plague. I guess I don’t have the right level of status anxiety and they tend to contain the type of person I try hard to avoid.
BUT……..it is fantastic to see the passion that we all have (in our different ways) for our cars. And I guess that joining such a club is just another way of expressing this passion. Great to see.
I’d never been to a car ‘meet’ until recently but attended one in the spur of the moment. I had a happy 20 mins in the bacon roll queue chatting to a chap about his long list of Fords and the next minute was talking to a guy about the differences between his various 911 GR3’s. There were M3s, pre war Bentleys and everything in between.
Great fun, but I too don’t get the appeal of the one marque clubs, that’s a bit to cliquey for me.
Babw said:
This SCC club isn’t elitist enough at all, we need a supercar club for owners with supercars, super model partners, not over weight and especially with good teeth. Hate going to these clubs and seeing the overweight poorly dressed people falling out of them.
When will we have true elitism again?!
When will we have true elitism again?!
But then you wouldn't get in
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