991.2 GT3 to 570S
Discussion
As mentioned on Justin220's thread (worth reading start to finish if you're in anyway interested in either a Mac Sports Series or driving in Scotland. -Justin, I think the Scotland Tourist Board should sponsor you) I have sold my 2018 GT3 after 14 months and 5000 miles. The GT3 was a dream car and whilst there was a great deal that I absolutely loved about it there were some things that did not suit our requirements.
In no way am I stating that there is anything wrong with the 3, they are absolutely amazing. Mine was a PDK clubsport with buckets on steel brakes. We did three track days and it's the first car I've had that didn't feel either out of it's depth or leave you wanting more power around a track like Silverstone. Not that I am a track junkie, or a fast driver, I've done less than 10 in my entire insignificant life.
The issue with it for us was that I found it too harsh and noisy for any kind of road trip. We really wanted to go to Spa last year with a visit to friends of my wife in Brussels but with Covid it was never going to happen. The more I got used to the car the more I realised that I wasn't looking forward to hours in it with inevitably a fair amount of motorway miles. I just found it irritating that it revs at 3400 at around 80 mph which made it too noisy to be able to converse in a relaxed way. BUT, that's not what the car is designed for and hundreds of others don't find it a problem, so it's not the car at fault, it's just not for me particularly.
It's well documented on the positives of the car and I agree with all of them. Yes it's tricky in a downpour below 5 degrees, but then any car like that on more track focused tyres is. I had the geometry and ride heights set at String Theory which made a really worthwhile improvement, a fraction sharper and even more tactile. (And the steering wheel straight which it wasn't on collection and no way was I going to let Porsche try and fix. Athough they offered to, at a price).
I was going to get another 981 CGTS as that has been my favourite all time car so far, having owned one from new which I then bought back again after trying a GT4 (but finding the manual too much due to having badly broken my ankle on a motocross bike 14 years ago).
Then I started looking into a 540/570 as I couldn't believe how much they have dropped in price. Initially I was thinking around £80k and the yellow Track Pack of AM43 looked amazing. (Really sorry for wasting your time Allan!) but I need finance and that's not possible on a private purchase in my case.
The more Iooked into specifications and prices inevitably I started looking at newer and newer cars, it's a shame you only get a 1 year warranty if you buy from Mac delaers, though I saw someone recently negotiated a two year deal, after being used to Porsche 2 year minimum. But I suppose you just factor that in to your man maths.
In the end we found a car in my all time favourite colour with incredibly low miles, I should hear today if we have secured it and will post details if it's finalised. Not sure I will be able to even open the door in the garage, I might have to make a dolly that pulls the car in on a winch!
What I am really hoping for is a car that we can not worry about adding miles to, enjoy many road trips in some comfort and then still get in the odd track day fun without feeling the car is being abused. Fingers crossed.
In no way am I stating that there is anything wrong with the 3, they are absolutely amazing. Mine was a PDK clubsport with buckets on steel brakes. We did three track days and it's the first car I've had that didn't feel either out of it's depth or leave you wanting more power around a track like Silverstone. Not that I am a track junkie, or a fast driver, I've done less than 10 in my entire insignificant life.
The issue with it for us was that I found it too harsh and noisy for any kind of road trip. We really wanted to go to Spa last year with a visit to friends of my wife in Brussels but with Covid it was never going to happen. The more I got used to the car the more I realised that I wasn't looking forward to hours in it with inevitably a fair amount of motorway miles. I just found it irritating that it revs at 3400 at around 80 mph which made it too noisy to be able to converse in a relaxed way. BUT, that's not what the car is designed for and hundreds of others don't find it a problem, so it's not the car at fault, it's just not for me particularly.
It's well documented on the positives of the car and I agree with all of them. Yes it's tricky in a downpour below 5 degrees, but then any car like that on more track focused tyres is. I had the geometry and ride heights set at String Theory which made a really worthwhile improvement, a fraction sharper and even more tactile. (And the steering wheel straight which it wasn't on collection and no way was I going to let Porsche try and fix. Athough they offered to, at a price).
I was going to get another 981 CGTS as that has been my favourite all time car so far, having owned one from new which I then bought back again after trying a GT4 (but finding the manual too much due to having badly broken my ankle on a motocross bike 14 years ago).
Then I started looking into a 540/570 as I couldn't believe how much they have dropped in price. Initially I was thinking around £80k and the yellow Track Pack of AM43 looked amazing. (Really sorry for wasting your time Allan!) but I need finance and that's not possible on a private purchase in my case.
The more Iooked into specifications and prices inevitably I started looking at newer and newer cars, it's a shame you only get a 1 year warranty if you buy from Mac delaers, though I saw someone recently negotiated a two year deal, after being used to Porsche 2 year minimum. But I suppose you just factor that in to your man maths.
In the end we found a car in my all time favourite colour with incredibly low miles, I should hear today if we have secured it and will post details if it's finalised. Not sure I will be able to even open the door in the garage, I might have to make a dolly that pulls the car in on a winch!
What I am really hoping for is a car that we can not worry about adding miles to, enjoy many road trips in some comfort and then still get in the odd track day fun without feeling the car is being abused. Fingers crossed.
All good points, but I've tried a 991.2 GTS and other Porsche's and at the price the GTS's are they are not 'special' enough for me. Still £90k for a well optioned low miles car and they don't have the residuals of the GT products. In fact I can't see that they would depreciate less than a £90k 570s. But we are all guessing on this, especially in the current climate and we all know it's best to expect the worst.
I don't think anyone can tell another what is right or wrong, it's an entirely personal and subjective decision, I'm really looking forward to a change, for better or worse.
The experiences on this section of PH forums has been fantastic in describing the good and bad of the McLaren's, my eyes are open.
Edit: re safer bet if financing I always work on a quite large deposit, everything sells at the right price so if disaster strikes I can reasonably expect to remove myself from the obligation, I could pretty much pay outright if it really came to the crunch.
I don't think anyone can tell another what is right or wrong, it's an entirely personal and subjective decision, I'm really looking forward to a change, for better or worse.
The experiences on this section of PH forums has been fantastic in describing the good and bad of the McLaren's, my eyes are open.
Edit: re safer bet if financing I always work on a quite large deposit, everything sells at the right price so if disaster strikes I can reasonably expect to remove myself from the obligation, I could pretty much pay outright if it really came to the crunch.
Edited by robj4 on Tuesday 12th January 15:41
Quick update, in case anyone's interested, in the end I decided I couldn't afford another really expensive car, the one I was after was still £100k which wasn't much different to the GT3. Shame and one day I'll try a 570 hopefully, though in a couple of years I can see good ones starting to command decent money. Especially if I want one.
I've gone for another (third time) 981 GTS. A new 4.0 GTS PDK would have been £85k with the spec. I like (Ceramics and buckets) but I've been looking at a 2016 with only 9000 miles and near enough the right bits for me and agreed on it yesterday. Having gone from one of these into a GT4, back to the GTS and then a GT3 I know it'll feel a bit tardy, but they really are capable of giving you a big grin on a clear road without screaming to the redline and the fear of a ban. Lots of people say the steering is a bit pants but it always felt good to me. They also cruise on the motorway nice and relaxed, unlike the GT products.
Nice to have dipped my toe in this forum, it's much more pleasant than the sniping that can take over on the porker section! Here's to a Scotland tour in the summer once enough of us have had Bill Gates microchips injected under the pretense of it being a vaccine. hahahaha
I've gone for another (third time) 981 GTS. A new 4.0 GTS PDK would have been £85k with the spec. I like (Ceramics and buckets) but I've been looking at a 2016 with only 9000 miles and near enough the right bits for me and agreed on it yesterday. Having gone from one of these into a GT4, back to the GTS and then a GT3 I know it'll feel a bit tardy, but they really are capable of giving you a big grin on a clear road without screaming to the redline and the fear of a ban. Lots of people say the steering is a bit pants but it always felt good to me. They also cruise on the motorway nice and relaxed, unlike the GT products.
Nice to have dipped my toe in this forum, it's much more pleasant than the sniping that can take over on the porker section! Here's to a Scotland tour in the summer once enough of us have had Bill Gates microchips injected under the pretense of it being a vaccine. hahahaha
dsl2 said:
Robj4 oh dear that's a bit of a miss mate, the Boxster 981 GTS steering "is" total pants, had mine for nearly two years & just didn't drive it (1600 miles I think total) as it was so dull & lifeless with a vague connection to the road surface it just didn't inspire any enthusiasm in me....
You don't know what you're missing.......One day though eh!
You don't know what you're missing.......One day though eh!
Haha... One mans meat is another's poison... Yeah, maybe.. I had a CGTS for 2 years and 20k miles and loved it, maybe I'm just a pants driver that can't tell the difference! Or maybe I've been brainwashed by all the guff about porkers on t'net for too long.
dsl2 said:
Ha if you can't tell the difference between Boxster GTS steering & a 570's I shall suggest you must be dead from the neck down!
Nice car, but for me it was totally ruined by the steering. The older 986 steering was miles better.
That's not what I said was it, I shall suggest that you are dead from the neck up! hahahaNice car, but for me it was totally ruined by the steering. The older 986 steering was miles better.
dsl2 said:
Ha you may well be right, but at least I'm the one dumb enough to be driving a Mac!
Love it, I admit to not being able to afford a Mac, so I buy a car within my means and which suits me and incur the wrath of a new set of keyboard warriors! Enjoy guys in the knowledge that only you know the way of truth and everyone else must be 'dumb'.. BTW, Steve Sutcliffe seems to think they're ok:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxXrDIevmlY
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