765 v 675 just... wow
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When discussing how quick the 765 was yesterday, it was described as 'hard to believe' just how quick it is.
The 720 is already very quick and they were a bit curious as to how much quicker they could make it; this was answered when they were given a demo for real world driving rather than on a track, and it blew them away.
I have had a few McLarens, and at no point have I considered that the 675 was a slouch; however, the below clip has almost made me splutter my cornflakes over the breakfast table.
The important part to take in account is the 765 has a passenger.
https://youtu.be/JOZt8o6-Os0
The 720 is already very quick and they were a bit curious as to how much quicker they could make it; this was answered when they were given a demo for real world driving rather than on a track, and it blew them away.
I have had a few McLarens, and at no point have I considered that the 675 was a slouch; however, the below clip has almost made me splutter my cornflakes over the breakfast table.
The important part to take in account is the 765 has a passenger.
https://youtu.be/JOZt8o6-Os0
Rocketreid said:
McLaren are an evolving Supercar manufacturer and with each incarnation they bring improvements.
The 720S was a massive step up in performance with the new 4.0 litre engine over the 650 and coupled with a better monocoque and aero etc it set a new benchmark.
The 675LT is a great car but based on the 650, the 765 on the 720, and the 720 is much faster than a 675 in most conditions
To be fair, I wouldn't say 0.3 of a second on a quarter mile and 142mph opposed to 148mph is 'much faster' in most conditions; a bold statement unless you have driven both in 'most conditions'.The 720S was a massive step up in performance with the new 4.0 litre engine over the 650 and coupled with a better monocoque and aero etc it set a new benchmark.
The 675LT is a great car but based on the 650, the 765 on the 720, and the 720 is much faster than a 675 in most conditions
Every McLaren i have driven feels warp drive fast, from 540 through to GT.
As 12pack eludes, the difference in performance between his 650 spider compared to a 720 spider doesn't add up to a £100k delta 'upgrade'.
When the guys at McLaren tell me the 765 is a quantum leap and I see on a rolling start from 30mph to 120mph how the driver of the 675 can hardly see the 765 in the distance is staggering.
Still doesn't make me crave the upgrade; the LT is plenty fast enough for me!
Driver101 said:
Wheelspinning said:
It was the rolling comparison i was surprised at.
Standing starts are down to lots of variables and not a great indication.
A rolling start from just 50kph on a wet track and the race stated by a driver's hand signals has lots of variables too. Again the 675 is accelerating on the damp side of the track. Standing starts are down to lots of variables and not a great indication.
The recording doesn't show if they moved off evenly, how much wheelspin there was, and the first shot there is already a huge speed difference.
It's a really poor video to use as a comparison.
Overcast day, differences in road surface conditions and hand signals; the sort of thing that happens with pals.
If I wanted near 100% accurate, I would check out Brookes on Drag times on a matching surface, super sticky track with beams giving times to 1000ths.
If Brookes does indeed get round to a comparison of 765 and 675, I would think it would be the exact same difference in performance.
Thing is, I shall never be on a drag strip; I shall always be on a road with similar conditions as the comparison video.
Driver101 said:
Wheelspinning said:
Driver101 said:
Wheelspinning said:
It was the rolling comparison i was surprised at.
Standing starts are down to lots of variables and not a great indication.
A rolling start from just 50kph on a wet track and the race stated by a driver's hand signals has lots of variables too. Again the 675 is accelerating on the damp side of the track. Standing starts are down to lots of variables and not a great indication.
The recording doesn't show if they moved off evenly, how much wheelspin there was, and the first shot there is already a huge speed difference.
It's a really poor video to use as a comparison.
Overcast day, differences in road surface conditions and hand signals; the sort of thing that happens with pals.
If I wanted near 100% accurate, I would check out Brookes on Drag times on a matching surface, super sticky track with beams giving times to 1000ths.
If Brookes does indeed get round to a comparison of 765 and 675, I would think it would be the exact same difference in performance.
Thing is, I shall never be on a drag strip; I shall always be on a road with similar conditions as the comparison video.
When you're on a wet road, how often will you be accelerating to 150mph+ in a race with your pals?
The real world element is whoever reacts first, has the most grip, and is willing to keep their foot down to licence losing speeds wins the race.
There is little point in comparing two specific cars if you want to judge performance so loosely.
Find someone else to try and argue with.
Driver101 said:
I'm not trying to argue. I was trying to discuss the video. It appears to be you contradicting yourself to create an argument out of nothing.
I really don't see what you're getting upset about?
I said the standing starts has to many variables and not very accurate; at no point did i say that i didn't like variables or that i drive at 150mph on the road. You have changed what I have posted to try and create an argument, and now trying to antagonise by stating that I am upset.I really don't see what you're getting upset about?
I did however say I was more interested in the rolling start, real weather conditions and the sort of stuff you do with pals, albeit during managed events.
I also said if I want more accurate stuff, I shall look at drag times.
Is a easy going video clip, no times, usual road and weather conditions, hand signals etc.
Its not a be all and end all video, its light entertainment but, do continue on with your disection.
Streetbeat said:
Its not just about being able to afford it though is it, its wanting to afford it.
If i had a £350k budget to spend on a Mclaren, there isnt a chance in hell i would buy a 675 and think its great ive saved £100k plus, i would buy the 765, no question, because thats the money i had to spend.
People want the best despite the cost and relative value in comparison to other models and that works across every make of car.
Owners on here seem very happy to jump from 570s to 600lt @50% increase in cost for fractional performace gains, i appreciate its a ltd number cat etc but still the same catergory as your theory.
Its not always the case.If i had a £350k budget to spend on a Mclaren, there isnt a chance in hell i would buy a 675 and think its great ive saved £100k plus, i would buy the 765, no question, because thats the money i had to spend.
People want the best despite the cost and relative value in comparison to other models and that works across every make of car.
Owners on here seem very happy to jump from 570s to 600lt @50% increase in cost for fractional performace gains, i appreciate its a ltd number cat etc but still the same catergory as your theory.
Edited by Streetbeat on Tuesday 14th December 13:19
I declined a 765 spider slot as the 675 does everything I could possibly want, and I have no desire to spend another x amount for a bit more pace.
It doesn't seem as though there is a big appetite for them at £360k plus as the advertised ones are not selling.
For me, its the P1 front end and rest of the perfect looks, but also the simplicity of the interior and that perfect binnacle.
Every 650 owner shall relate to that.
Bispal said:
GlynnsportRacing said:
Rocketreid said:
All opinion !! and everyone has one.
Not sure if you understood the “polarises opinion comment “ though,
The point being some folks prefer the 675 LT and others prefer the 765 LT but performance wise the 765 is a league different.
As Thorney said the 720s is a far better road car than a 675LT so unless you are going tracking that’s a better buy £ for £ imo
Well you see that then depends on your definition of "better road car". The 720s is a phenomenal all-round daily, no question but if I'm going to spend that amount of money on a car I want to feel properly connected to it in every way, the 720 doesn't do it for me - dare I say it's too good which for my taste makes it a bit dull on the road! Not sure if you understood the “polarises opinion comment “ though,
The point being some folks prefer the 675 LT and others prefer the 765 LT but performance wise the 765 is a league different.
As Thorney said the 720s is a far better road car than a 675LT so unless you are going tracking that’s a better buy £ for £ imo
As I have posted before, I think all of the McLaren models are great and super quick.
There is no 'this is much faster'.
The 765 is quick, no doubt about it.
When maybe between a second or so separates a 540 through to a 720 on normal cars to a quarter mile and around 140+mph, you would have to be driving way out of most peoples comfort and ability levels to be demonstratably much quicker; its a pointless discussion.
So far, the 3 LT levels have offered differences, most of which are discovered on the track.
Like you Paul, if I think of the only Ferrari I would ever go back to the brand for, its the F40.
Every modern day Ferrari on paper much quicker but that to me is not what it is about.
The F40 to me is pinnacle Ferrari.
To me, the 675LT is pinnacle McLaren.
Its the view of most people whom have been heavily involved with McLaren since they started; such as McLaren dealer principles or salesperson, Alastair Bols, motoring journalists etc.
I am not saying the 675 is for everyone, but it is for me, as it is for others.
However, all macs are great. In no way shape or form would I say its much better than any other McLaren; I'm not that guy.
On a footnote, the first 765 spider has come up for sale at £450k. Thats just insane and I can image it shall sit about like the coupes that are for sale at £360k+.
LotusJas said:
Thanks OP. I enjoyed the video.
Unsurprising result to be honest, not that any of us buy any LT for drag racing.
Why unsurprising? Having driven both, it's mostly down to vastly improved traction control, more power, and the 15% shorter gearing. But we buy an LT for the way they feel and handle, and the increased driver involvement, even at lower speeds.
FWIW, I love all 3 LT models.
Thanks for the sharing the video, as I'd not seen it before.
Your wwlcome!Unsurprising result to be honest, not that any of us buy any LT for drag racing.
Why unsurprising? Having driven both, it's mostly down to vastly improved traction control, more power, and the 15% shorter gearing. But we buy an LT for the way they feel and handle, and the increased driver involvement, even at lower speeds.
FWIW, I love all 3 LT models.
Thanks for the sharing the video, as I'd not seen it before.
Your 765 spider must be due soon; how excited are you?!
Streetbeat said:
91173RS said:
I imagine most 675LT owners have stopped chasing the latest, greatest. They are now in the hands of those that really appreciate them.
I would agree with that, although ive yet to see a 675Lt on track (not that i do loads, but would say regular over the years) which is a shame as it seems they are universally considered a better track car than road, which was the design brief, so why not use them on track?The reports of a much harsher ride and really poor turning circle put me off it for, as it turns out, too long.
Unlike the GT3, its a track focused car that in this case, is as comfortable to drive daily as a 650.
The 765 still really twangs my interest level as its a 675 turned up to level 10, but the P1 look is what brought me to McLaren, and in my eyes just stunning.
I hoped I would like the 675 after years of lusting after one; I didn't anticipate just how much I would actually love it.
A few others on here became new owners last year; would love to hear their thoughts.
Bispal said:
12pack said:
91173RS said:
We’re all different I guess. Damp, cold, bumpy roads aren’t the ideal conditions for a 675LT. Of course you can still have fun, but I think I’d have more fun without the constant flickering of the traction control light.
It’s a mute point anyway as “half the power” buttons don’t exist.
Enjoy in good health.
But that’s the point. Not just the 675, Macs have linear and predictable throttle response. From your description of flickering lights either you or the cars you are used to don’t. My V12V sure doesn’t. It’s a mute point anyway as “half the power” buttons don’t exist.
Enjoy in good health.
Plenty of MX5s available if you just want to pedal-metal.
I use mines as much as possible in glorious sunshine through to torrential rain, and we have some of the most amazing roads up here to use it on.
Its such a rare occasion to get the traction lights flickering on the dash; last time was maybe a month ago on the motorway during biblical rain and coming across a rather large section of standing water which resulted in a moment or two of aquaplaning and nearly filling my pants.
I never understood the bhp button fitted to the Noble 600; why on earth would you ever have it turned to the lower setting?
Regards to McLarens, I generally am in the track / manual for powertrain, but comfort for suspension.
Again, same as you Bispal, I don't track my 675; I get more than enough enjoyment using it as often as possible on the road, even if it is just to collect a takeaway!
Aventador 700 said:
Bispal said:
Aventador 700 said:
Quite happy with the coupe ride but i really want a spider, anyone know if they changed damper/springs for the spider making the ride worse, cant imagine it made much of a difference, even if they did but worth asking..
I was told by a McLaren engineer that the suspension on all the LT models, 600/675/765 is subtlety different from coupe to spider to compensate for the slight reduction in torsional rigidity, that apparently is non existent. So there is a difference, I doubt you would notice though, my 675LT is like a limo in comfort mode. I think it shall be a corker of a car.
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