BMWe's Stopping Production
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I've been looking for a below 50g/km car for a while and went to look at a 530e at the weekend.
The salesman told me they were ending production shortly on both the 330e and the 530e due to the Government moving to using WLTP rather than NEDC and neither car is low emissions on the new test (530d and 540i are apparently likely to be better, test data hasn't been published yet). Said there probably isn't much point ordering as unlikely to get built before they stop.
BMW are planning to wait for the i5 as a replacement rather than more "e's" around 2019/20. Anyone else heard this or similar?
I've been looking at an E350e, XC60 T8 Twin and the 530e, I assume all of these will suffer the same problem shortly.
The salesman told me they were ending production shortly on both the 330e and the 530e due to the Government moving to using WLTP rather than NEDC and neither car is low emissions on the new test (530d and 540i are apparently likely to be better, test data hasn't been published yet). Said there probably isn't much point ordering as unlikely to get built before they stop.
BMW are planning to wait for the i5 as a replacement rather than more "e's" around 2019/20. Anyone else heard this or similar?
I've been looking at an E350e, XC60 T8 Twin and the 530e, I assume all of these will suffer the same problem shortly.
KumiSinghs said:
starmonkey said:
It's frustrating, I'm trying to buy a low emissions car and dealers only have diesels as an option!
Why don't you get a second hand one?Edited by starmonkey on Saturday 27th January 22:48
hantsxlg said:
Any references for this or is it fake news? Current bik rules heavily leant towards sub 50g cars for next two years and 530e has 6 month wait list so stopping production does seem an odd thing to do
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
Oh yes, the 18% is available but it's not worth getting a company car at that point. The extra you'd pay for a hybrid/electric car wouldn't offset the tax back.
It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
It only appears to be worth it with the FYA.
The BMW dealership I was speaking to was Reading if that makes a difference. It could have been an easy sale for them but they actively talked me out of it so not sure why they would do that if it weren't true.
WestyCarl said:
starmonkey said:
http://wltpfacts.eu/from-nedc-to-wltp-change/
New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
I currently speccing a 530e and at no point has the dealer mentioned anything about stopping production (even as a sales tactic to speed me up..)New rules came in from Sept 2017. Basically manufacturers have a year from then to get in line. Those that have cars that are aimed at the tax loophole of below 50g/km but only small batteries will basically have no market by the end of the year. Most will not be low tax and therefore you'll be lugging around heavy batteries for nothing. A petrol or probably diesel is going to be cheaper/more efficient.
If diesels are also going to be more heavily taxed then it only leaves 0 emission vehicles for low tax. Which would be fine if there were any that fit the gap high mileage capable diesels sit in now.
M3 also ending production early for the same reason so I guess that ties in with the rest of the range.
https://apple.news/AoQ_qbypNSWeSw49yl9cTyA
https://apple.news/AoQ_qbypNSWeSw49yl9cTyA
That's interesting. Haven't found many people with a 530e. My commute is 36 miles each way but no charging at work. Mainly motorway and a roads with a fair bit of start stop traffic.
Also a fairly regular 500 mile round trip with no ability to charge (unless I use a public charger).
I really want to find out how good/bad the economy is for my use case but can't find any demo models at dealerships!
Also a fairly regular 500 mile round trip with no ability to charge (unless I use a public charger).
I really want to find out how good/bad the economy is for my use case but can't find any demo models at dealerships!
caseys said:
So my situation is a lot like yours! My commute is 37 miles each way (about 30 miles of that at NSL) - most mornings it's so bad this can take 75 minutes. I'll get about 55mpg both ways, switching into manual mode on the way up so I'm deploying half the battery each way as I have no way of charging at work. I'll do that commute about 3-4 times a a week.
I also have to go into London quite a bit (110+ miles each way) and cover on average 2000-2500 miles a month. On a round trip to London I'm averaging 49mpg.
When I'm not doing either of those trips I'm doing the school run purely on battery and working from home.
At the weekends I'll do about 80 miles, nearly all electric. Sometimes I forget about fuelling it until part way to work on a Monday it'll bong at me and I'll swear back at it in kind.
I've had my 330e since November 2016 and covered 27k and the car is averaging 58mpg now over that duration. I do have a Rolec charger installed at home.
Thanks! That's really helpful, your situation sounds very similar to mine. 58mpg would match my current diesel daily. Now if I could just find a dealer willing to sell me a below 50g/km hybrid!I also have to go into London quite a bit (110+ miles each way) and cover on average 2000-2500 miles a month. On a round trip to London I'm averaging 49mpg.
When I'm not doing either of those trips I'm doing the school run purely on battery and working from home.
At the weekends I'll do about 80 miles, nearly all electric. Sometimes I forget about fuelling it until part way to work on a Monday it'll bong at me and I'll swear back at it in kind.
I've had my 330e since November 2016 and covered 27k and the car is averaging 58mpg now over that duration. I do have a Rolec charger installed at home.
. Their business sales manager was not impressed!Gb908010 said:
http://www.businesscarmanager.co.uk/company-car-ta...
If you refer to business car manager the new tax law doesn't come into effect until 2020/21.
That's not what I've been talking about. NEDC is ending and the new scheme effectively moves current cars up the tax brackets as it more realistically represents driving. This means all the 20-30mile electric battery hybrids will be fairly pointless in terms of low tax business buyers.If you refer to business car manager the new tax law doesn't come into effect until 2020/21.
Edited by Gb908010 on Wednesday 14th February 20:43
Fast Bug said:
C300e and E300e should go in to build end of Q3 with deliveries starting Q4. Less bhp from the petrol engine, but longer battery range. They're trying to push the PHEV A Class in to this year as well, but understand that they're struggling with that at present. Diesel plug ins should be due at the same time.
I think a lot of manufacturers are in the same boat sadly!
Yes, these are the cars I rang to ask about, latest from head office is that engines aren't going to be ready now until Q1 19 apparently.I think a lot of manufacturers are in the same boat sadly!
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