More ID.3 details

[RobDickinson]

VW shared more ID.3 specs today, I looked back a bunch of pages couldn't find the thread so..

ID.3 Pure - 45kWh, 126 hp or 150 hp, 330 km WLTP, < €30k

ID.3 Pro - 58kWh, 146 hp or 204 hp, 420 km WLTP, ~ €35k, 100kW charging

ID.3 Pro S - 77kWh, 204 hp, 550 km WLTP, (Price TBC), 100kW charging

[RobDickinson]

https://media.vw.com/en-us/releases/1263#.XmE-57GT...

[RobDickinson]

Not sure it was ever supposed to be a tesla killer?

Ionity is building out but the costs even with a monthly sub are high for the id3

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

Tesla basically screwed up the Model 3 pricing, the original £27k promise went out the window and it's now a luxury car well out of most people's price range.

Not ever, not even once, was there a promise on a 27k car, no gbp prices were even discussed.

The $35k car does exist but that's not sold in UK and would need vat import duty etc on top so would be 35k or so if offered.

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

They announced a $35k car. At the time they announced it with the conversion rate and the £5,000 grant that would have been £27k.

What the fk are you talking about? A $35,000 car , converted to GBP, including the 10% Eu duty and 20% VAT would be £36500, the grant was £3500 and now its £3000, so would be £33500 minimum right now without extra for currency and shipping costs etc

[RobDickinson]

Despite there being no software problems and no delay to the launch of the ID3 there are indeed huge software problems and they are not getting fixed.


VW has had secret high level meetings with Daimler and BMW to try and form a 3 way partnership to develop a common EV operating system.

So a task 10,000 engineers under 1 management cant accomplish can be done with 20,00 under 2 or more?

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/bmw-daimler-vw-so...

[RobDickinson]

Witchfinder said:

RobDickinson said:

VW has had secret high level meetings with Daimler and BMW to try and form a 3 way partnership to develop a common EV operating system.

Why aren't they just using Android Automotive OS?

I think Audi are but isnt it mostly infotaiment rather than management systems for charging/drive etc

[RobDickinson]

ID3 has no self driving ability and wont, I assume it'll have a basic lane keeping thing?

This is more about controlling the basic EV components like battery management, charging etc

[RobDickinson]

Norway has official ID3 prices now.

ID.3 1ST base: under kr. 355.000,-* (36,000 US$)
ID.3 1ST Plus: under kr. 405.000,-* (41,000 US$)
ID.3 1ST Max: under kr. 455.000,-* (46,000 US$)

For reference the Model 3 SR+ starts at 445.500 kr or so

[RobDickinson]

The bottom spec doesn't even have a reverse camera.

[RobDickinson]

Witchfinder said:

RobDickinson said:

I think Audi are but isnt it mostly infotaiment rather than management systems for charging/drive etc

Turns out the Audi system is Linux based

https://www.cars.com/articles/2021-audi-mmi-multim...

Again that's the infotainment.

[RobDickinson]

1st Edition - £36k after subsidy

Link to the pdf.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/files/live/sites/vwuk...

[RobDickinson]

I think the basic one will be 30k but thats a smaller pack and barely has a radio?

1st ed is loaded but not that loaded and the 62kwh pack.

[RobDickinson]

dxg said:

*Extremely* thorough review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxAeMBtoSg&t=...

Seems to say that it drives extremely well, but the interior's cheap and the software and controls have all the same problems as the Golf 8 platform.

the golf 8 interior seems so much better

The MEB platform looks a good one for hardware, should be some great cars coming, not convinced of the ID3 exterior but its ok. They can fix the software eventually, not keen on those hardware sliders dont look like they help at all

Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 26th July 03:31

[RobDickinson]

It depends if they are paying $100 or not LG Chem has increased prices, and that's for just cells not the pack (structure, cooling, extras etc)

[RobDickinson]

granada203028 said:

Yes so everything is running out of steam both technology and economies of scale. EVs are not going to get much more range per £.

Still the e-Niro stands out as the car to replace my 7 year old 80K Leaf. One more winter that's going to be it.

No its really not. Prices are coming down, costs will scale, new battery tech is well under development etc

[RobDickinson]

Lol

[RobDickinson]

SWoll said:

This though, "it's a four-seat version (because weight of the bigger battery)". Why does adding some weight require the removal of a seat?

Maximum gross weight, isn't enough leeway between that, the net weight and 5 passengers.

And they don't want to uprate anything to help out

[RobDickinson]

TheInsanity1234 said:

Once the domestic power industry start to develop a reliable way of generating hydrogen fuel and storing/transporting it, then car companies will very well capitalise on that technology to enable mass adoption of hydrogen fuelled cars.

Not going to happen. That fusion power is much better sent to BEVs directly. Theres going to be some good use of hydrogen as storage and for things like shipping but not cars.

The EU fusion power plant is just coming together as a test bed, they are thinking of a prototype useful reactor in 2035 or something , I wouldnt wait.


This is from an article on Hyundai, who went pretty large on FCEVs

"However the technology has not taken off; 7,707 hydrogen fuel cell cars were sold globally last year, compared with 1.68 million battery EVs, according to LMC Automotive. "

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-09...

[RobDickinson]

ash73 said:

BUT I wish you could buy the base model with a small battery & less weight, and rent an extra battery pack that plugs into a connector in the boot when you need more range for occasional long trips. Seems such an obvious solution.

Was a concept car (fiat or someone?) last year or something that had a 5 module pack and came with only 2 you can rent the others for longer trips. Sounds a good concept but not sure it'll work