Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy
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1. No customisations of options leads to no panicking about which shade of hue, which trim etc to spec
2. No bulls
t service plans
3. The charger network. Yes other chargers exist but last night I was on a polar fast charger (50kw yawn) and there was only 2 parking bays but only one type 2 plug
So car after car came and turned away. But the icing on the cake is I cannot return to use polar as the app still thinks it’s waiting for me to connect the car and this is after phone reboots.
2. No bulls
t service plans3. The charger network. Yes other chargers exist but last night I was on a polar fast charger (50kw yawn) and there was only 2 parking bays but only one type 2 plug
So car after car came and turned away. But the icing on the cake is I cannot return to use polar as the app still thinks it’s waiting for me to connect the car and this is after phone reboots.
I guess the people like asterix don’t know just how far apart the quality of the Tesla app and charging is away from the lesser systems
It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use
50kw may seem super fast but it’s time value is it not? It’s quicker for me to drive 20 miles to the local Superchargers plug in fully charge and drive home
The only benefit with polar is the app never recognised I’d charged the car so cost me nothing
It’s issues like last night that highlight that the other infrastructure is just too far behind the curve to be trusted.
A different app and payment method for each provider or pay more for contactless and good luck with finding one that’s working and not in use
50kw may seem super fast but it’s time value is it not? It’s quicker for me to drive 20 miles to the local Superchargers plug in fully charge and drive home
The only benefit with polar is the app never recognised I’d charged the car so cost me nothing
Edited by George Smiley on Tuesday 7th July 16:21
Europa Jon said:
In say, 5 years' time when EVs are more mainstream and the early adopter novelty has worn off a bit, what will a 5 to 10 year-old Tesla be worth? Who would want to try to run a ten year old Model X, for example? I've never had a car with frameless door windows, but will the Teslas leak there as they start getting old? I don't think they'll do that well.
The above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The games changed, this ain’t your mercbmwvag enforced obsolescence with the stupid led lights change half way through model life forcing depreciation and false inflation of prices backed by a rigged service structure all paid for on the never neverThe above isn't meant to be confrontational, and I welcome other opinions.
The battery will lose hardly any noticeable range in that time and the car just needs new tyres
Of course you can already see vag and the others crippling their cars so not to remove a very lucrative income stream for the dealers
aestetix1 said:
George Smiley said:
50kw may seem super fast but it’s time value is it not? It’s quicker for me to drive 20 miles to the local Superchargers plug in fully charge and drive home
Say you buy a Leaf 62 or Kona or eNiro. You save £10,000 over the cheapest Tesla Model 3. How much time do you have to spend charging before it's worth spending £10,000 to make it go faster?I hope you didn't pay for Full Self Driving either. Imagine having paid for it 4 years ago and today Tesla is seemingly no nearer to delivering it than they were then. Deadline after deadline missed and your car is reaching the end of its warranty. It's going to be rusting in the scrapyard before they send it that software update.
I’m glad I canned the ipace order
The leaf and Nero are great but would you drive to Rome in one?
ntiz said:
sambucket said:
Oh man. It's so worth it.
You will note the total lack of naysayers who actually own a modern Tesla.
Total and utter rubbish!You will note the total lack of naysayers who actually own a modern Tesla.
I could right you a 10 page essay on why both mi e and my father Tesla’s have been crap!
Plenty of hacked off owners and ex owners on the Facebook group.
Like the ones having to replace the central computer because it falling apart after a few years and the charging throttled back.
Although in the world EVs they are still miles ahead with the charging network. Just turn up plug in, always works never been left high and dry by the network.
DragonflyTrumpeter said:
Okay, so you only need superchargers every 200 miles. We have 3 out of the 5 in our whole country within 80 miles, covering the 2 main routes, 2 of them 20 miles apart and nothing for half the population and 200 miles one way after that. But it is demand.
I admire you Rob. I may disagree with most things you post but I admire your dedication to your cause.
As vice Glasgow and Edinburgh there’s not much happeningI admire you Rob. I may disagree with most things you post but I admire your dedication to your cause.
The main trips will be from or to England where business happens
It’s down to where’s the demand going to be
CABC said:
jamoor said:
SWoll said:
LotusJas said:
Agree completely about charging network, and if I wanted an EV as my only or main car, I'd reluctantly put up with a poorly built, unreliable Tesla.
As a man with Lotus in his username and a McLaren in his garage I'd expect you'd be used to that kind of thing by now?
I'm sure the tesla is on another level of reliable.
Chap in the 458 got an unpleasant surprise when he tried it on today
But I suppose Tesla’s only good at speed
CABC said:
i didn't criticise Tesla, merely affirmed the joy of 2 great car manufacturers.
B road blast tomorrow morning, Talbot Sunbeam or m3?
to be clear, Teslas are good and ev sportscars will also be good. but i'll still enjoy having to WORK for my b road fun, that's why it's a hobby.
I get that it’s more asterix and the way he hates Elon for giving him car aidsB road blast tomorrow morning, Talbot Sunbeam or m3?
to be clear, Teslas are good and ev sportscars will also be good. but i'll still enjoy having to WORK for my b road fun, that's why it's a hobby.
Heres Johnny said:
Can't you tell sarcasm when you see it?
Sorry, I forgot, Tesla fanboys don't have a sense of humour because the world, the Tesla mission to save it, and their personal role in promoting the message are all far too important.
It’s sometimes difficult to differentiate sarcasm from envy. Sorry, I forgot, Tesla fanboys don't have a sense of humour because the world, the Tesla mission to save it, and their personal role in promoting the message are all far too important.
2nd attempt at using polar tonight
Turn up no one there
Send instructions to the charger I want to use type two, select options, connect, starts charging.
App has crashed tells me it’s waiting for me to connect
Someone pulls into bay next to me in a new mini e, very nice, he plugs his charger in and now my charge has stopped, the app has crashed, I can’t cancel my charge and good chance he is getting electricity at my cost
Phone customer help, gave up waiting after 30 minutes on hold whilst driving to the excellent and working Tesla charger
Will be asking for my account credit to be returned
Life outside Tesla must be fking miserable
Turn up no one there
Send instructions to the charger I want to use type two, select options, connect, starts charging.
App has crashed tells me it’s waiting for me to connect
Someone pulls into bay next to me in a new mini e, very nice, he plugs his charger in and now my charge has stopped, the app has crashed, I can’t cancel my charge and good chance he is getting electricity at my cost
Phone customer help, gave up waiting after 30 minutes on hold whilst driving to the excellent and working Tesla charger
Will be asking for my account credit to be returned
Life outside Tesla must be f
king miserable 
SWoll said:
With regards to the discussion around public charging, here's the first experience of a new E-Tron driver over on another other thread posted yesterday.
But it’s got a better interior so a nicer place to be sat whilst waitingVEIGHT said:
They called and said did I want them to stop and charge before it got to me. I stupidly said no and thought that's part of the experience charging it up!?
First two I went to, chargers out of order. Looked on Zap Maps, found another, got there, car already on charge. Have come home and it's on a 3 ping plug with 29 hours till fully charged!
First two I went to, chargers out of order. Looked on Zap Maps, found another, got there, car already on charge. Have come home and it's on a 3 ping plug with 29 hours till fully charged!
off_again said:
I live in California and you know what they call the Model 3 here?
The 'Californian Camry'..... :-)
But it does illustrate an issue. There are 5 colors and a couple of wheel choices. People are individuals and they want something that reflects them, their personality and image. There is no doubt that Tesla is market leading in the electric car market, but when many people are dropping north of $50k on their new cars and they cant personalize it to what they want.... well that starts to be a problem.
As a comparison, the BMW 3 series has 14 to choose from and thats before you get to the halo models and personal section....
Everything you wrote is everything that is wrong with the current traditional car makersThe 'Californian Camry'..... :-)
But it does illustrate an issue. There are 5 colors and a couple of wheel choices. People are individuals and they want something that reflects them, their personality and image. There is no doubt that Tesla is market leading in the electric car market, but when many people are dropping north of $50k on their new cars and they cant personalize it to what they want.... well that starts to be a problem.
As a comparison, the BMW 3 series has 14 to choose from and thats before you get to the halo models and personal section....
RobDickinson said:
98% of BMW's are the same grey colour anyhow.
Because everyone specs their cars for bullst future residuals (the m forum has for years been awash with questions about which option to tick or which colour to pick so it retains the best residual)Look at Tesla residuals vs any other marque. Too much choice is bad for the consumer and the manufacturers know that
At one time you bought a bmw based on model, engine and colour. You then had three more choices, no radio, radio, upgraded radio.
This was before the days of pcp and the not too distant past, their residuals were a lot stronger then also because of no bulls
t led mid life face lift modelsaestetix1 said:
ZesPak said:
Yes, lovely, haggling with dealers. Let's put that in the "PRO" side of the column. Oh and if you haggle really well you can have parking sensors, heated seats, sunroof and leather look for less than another 5k.
Have you tried CarWow? You don't need to do any in-person haggling, you just go on there and tell it what car you want and it comes back with quotes. You can select the spec and extras you want.For example a Leaf 62 is list price £39.5k but if you just go on CarWow you can get it for £31k with no effort.
Still at least Tesla's wont be effected
jamoor said:
aestetix1 said:
Have you tried CarWow? You don't need to do any in-person haggling, you just go on there and tell it what car you want and it comes back with quotes. You can select the spec and extras you want.
For example a Leaf 62 is list price £39.5k but if you just go on CarWow you can get it for £31k with no effort.
You're too focused on the price. it's not what you spend its what you lose.For example a Leaf 62 is list price £39.5k but if you just go on CarWow you can get it for £31k with no effort.
I am willing to bet the Tesla residuals will be much better than the leaf.
aestetix1 said:
George Smiley said:
Now that Ecotricity are dropping Chademo and AC, that is safe bet
I'm calling bullst on this one. I've searched for information about it and asked you for a link but there is nothing.
You can call bulls
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