re Hybrid version of the 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD eCVT SE
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I posted this in the Honda thread - but perhaps it might get a response in the EV / Alternative Fuels section?
Whilst I'm a fully fledged car bore (Alfa Romeo 'special', as per my username), we do need a more practical car in our stable.
When my better half turned 40, back in 2009, she wanted something a little bit more grown up than her previous city hatchbacks. We bought a Honda Jazz. And we were both smitten. It's not an exciting car (it even came with a trilby on the back parcel shelf.....and driving gloves!) But it is so practical - especially the magic seats. There are only the two of us but for holidays etc it's great.
Turning 50, 4 years ago, she treated herself to something more in keeping with a mid-life-crisis.... a Mini Cooper. Which provides the thrills but without much in the way of practicality and we just couldn't bare to part with the Jazz - which has now done 110,000 pretty much faultless miles. (1 battery, 4 bulbs, two front brake discs / pads).
But..... it's just failed it's MOT. Needs a small weld on sills (only rust on car) and new rear brake discs. So, perhaps it's time to move on as it's not worth much £1700 and no doubt other bills are on the horizon. (Clutch etc)
Honda are now going down the hybrid route.
I'm not sure that 'our' lifestyle is quite ready for a full blown EV because of range verses purchase price issues so what about this model: 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD Hybrid eCVT SE?
I'd appreciate any anyone's experiences as to whether this is a good first (hybrid) EV -
Thanks
Whilst I'm a fully fledged car bore (Alfa Romeo 'special', as per my username), we do need a more practical car in our stable.
When my better half turned 40, back in 2009, she wanted something a little bit more grown up than her previous city hatchbacks. We bought a Honda Jazz. And we were both smitten. It's not an exciting car (it even came with a trilby on the back parcel shelf.....and driving gloves!) But it is so practical - especially the magic seats. There are only the two of us but for holidays etc it's great.
Turning 50, 4 years ago, she treated herself to something more in keeping with a mid-life-crisis.... a Mini Cooper. Which provides the thrills but without much in the way of practicality and we just couldn't bare to part with the Jazz - which has now done 110,000 pretty much faultless miles. (1 battery, 4 bulbs, two front brake discs / pads).
But..... it's just failed it's MOT. Needs a small weld on sills (only rust on car) and new rear brake discs. So, perhaps it's time to move on as it's not worth much £1700 and no doubt other bills are on the horizon. (Clutch etc)
Honda are now going down the hybrid route.
I'm not sure that 'our' lifestyle is quite ready for a full blown EV because of range verses purchase price issues so what about this model: 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD Hybrid eCVT SE?
I'd appreciate any anyone's experiences as to whether this is a good first (hybrid) EV -
Thanks
AmitG & TheInternet
Thanks for the advice. I have to say our Jazz (2009) has been so reliable and I still get a WOW! every time I use the magic seats
AmitG quote "Note - the facelift version is about to be launched, and I believe that it comes with more power (129BHP over 109BHP) along with some other fixes. Worth a check before buying. Don't pay overs for a run-out version of the old model..."
Thanks v. much for this. I had a look on Car Wow and there 'are' discounts available, presumably the run-out model. I'll have to speak to the dealers re price for facelift version versus run-out version.
Thanks for the advice. I have to say our Jazz (2009) has been so reliable and I still get a WOW! every time I use the magic seats
AmitG quote "Note - the facelift version is about to be launched, and I believe that it comes with more power (129BHP over 109BHP) along with some other fixes. Worth a check before buying. Don't pay overs for a run-out version of the old model..."
Thanks v. much for this. I had a look on Car Wow and there 'are' discounts available, presumably the run-out model. I'll have to speak to the dealers re price for facelift version versus run-out version.
Thanks for the replies, folks.
Note, from the link the cheapest version the SE model becomes the Elegance
It seems the new, face-lifted model is £25,795 (base model/price).
The old run-out model is £21,295 (& Car Wow shows a £1000 discount), so the face-lifted model is 20% more.
Source: https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz?f=search...
Benefit is 20% more power but, according to Club Jazz, (yes, there is a 'CLUB' for Honda Jazz owners....) this does not 'appear' to change performance / economy. At least not according to the figures in the above link. So it must be all about improved drive-ability.
And shiny bits
This might be of interest:
Note, from the link the cheapest version the SE model becomes the Elegance
It seems the new, face-lifted model is £25,795 (base model/price).
The old run-out model is £21,295 (& Car Wow shows a £1000 discount), so the face-lifted model is 20% more.
Source: https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz?f=search...
Benefit is 20% more power but, according to Club Jazz, (yes, there is a 'CLUB' for Honda Jazz owners....) this does not 'appear' to change performance / economy. At least not according to the figures in the above link. So it must be all about improved drive-ability.
And shiny bits
This might be of interest:
Edited by alfaspecial on Sunday 12th March 08:00
Undercover McNoName said:
Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with a Honda Jazz, at all, but I do own an Alfa Romeo and have access to Yaris hybrids and Renault Zoe's at my job.
If I was faced with the choice of CVT hybrid or an EV, I would always go with an EV.
Thanks. Please could I ask why you would choose a BEV rather than a hybrid?If I was faced with the choice of CVT hybrid or an EV, I would always go with an EV.
Our nominal budget is say £20k (Jazz - the basic car suits our needs can be had for this nominal £20k)
I looked on this website https://wattev2buy.com/uk-ev-market-price-list-ele...
And sorted BEVs by price. Other than the Twizzy the cheapest EV is the SEATMii @ £18000. Too small, range under 100 miles.
Berlingo £20k very limited range. The MG5 has the range but £7000 (compared to the hybrid Jazz) buys a lot of petrol
It seems that BEVs are a LOT more to buy. I'm not sure that for our sort of usage an EV with a range of over (say) 300 miles is just perhaps a little rich.
In time, hopefully, BEV ranges will increase and prices fall. But until then I'm of the opinion that a hybrid is the way to go. Possibly!
But I am open to anyone's advice / experiences.
Thanks for the replies. We had a test drive of the Jazz yesterday. Very impressed. Seemed to be quite an improvement over our ancient one.
TBH, I wish I hadn't posted this thread - I've opened a real can of worms and perhaps we should have a try of a true BEV?
plfrench, yesterday @ 11.34
We don't have a fast charger facility at home. Obviously we might have to consider upgrading from a plug in standard charger. Our cars are used less than daily. My Alfa Romeo 'special' is purely high days and holidays. The Mini Cooper is my partner's work car - although she is mainly working from home (perhaps we should 'get rid'). The Jazz is our shopping and holiday car. We are (for example) staying in Cornwall in a few weeks time (self catering holiday cottage) - we take most of a weeks food pre-cooked and frozen. Many years ago we had a VW Lupo which, was a bit too small for our usage.
Undercover McNoName yesterday @16.43
Will have a look at the i3. On paper looks a bit small for our needs
We do 2-300 mile journeys (holiday/family visits about 8 times a year -and need to do 8 return trips as well!)
Wyson today 0.09
I'll have to look into reliability surveys. Obviously you are right - are existing (ICE) manufacturers able to make BEVs etc reliable?
Whataguy today 5.33
Will need to look further into servicing costs. The Jazz can come with a 5 year service plan
TBH, I wish I hadn't posted this thread - I've opened a real can of worms and perhaps we should have a try of a true BEV?
plfrench, yesterday @ 11.34
We don't have a fast charger facility at home. Obviously we might have to consider upgrading from a plug in standard charger. Our cars are used less than daily. My Alfa Romeo 'special' is purely high days and holidays. The Mini Cooper is my partner's work car - although she is mainly working from home (perhaps we should 'get rid'). The Jazz is our shopping and holiday car. We are (for example) staying in Cornwall in a few weeks time (self catering holiday cottage) - we take most of a weeks food pre-cooked and frozen. Many years ago we had a VW Lupo which, was a bit too small for our usage.
Undercover McNoName yesterday @16.43
Will have a look at the i3. On paper looks a bit small for our needs
We do 2-300 mile journeys (holiday/family visits about 8 times a year -and need to do 8 return trips as well!)
Wyson today 0.09
I'll have to look into reliability surveys. Obviously you are right - are existing (ICE) manufacturers able to make BEVs etc reliable?
Whataguy today 5.33
Will need to look further into servicing costs. The Jazz can come with a 5 year service plan
Just an update. We did opt for a Jazz. Purchased the outgoing model though Carwow with a decent discount, will be picking it up next month.
Strangely, although we intended to be 'cash' purchasers - it was cheaper to buy it using a 12 month car loan - paying 'x' in interest but benefiting from an additional discount AND 5 years 'paid for' serving. Go figure?
So, we've gone down the hybrid, not full electric route - perhaps in a few years time a full EV will be best but, for us, at this moment in time - given our range issues and lack of charging infrastructure in the SW - we will be sticking with (hybrid) petrol.
Thanks one and all for your input.
Strangely, although we intended to be 'cash' purchasers - it was cheaper to buy it using a 12 month car loan - paying 'x' in interest but benefiting from an additional discount AND 5 years 'paid for' serving. Go figure?
So, we've gone down the hybrid, not full electric route - perhaps in a few years time a full EV will be best but, for us, at this moment in time - given our range issues and lack of charging infrastructure in the SW - we will be sticking with (hybrid) petrol.
Thanks one and all for your input.
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