re Hybrid version of the 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD eCVT SE

re Hybrid version of the 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD eCVT SE

Author
Discussion

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Saturday 11th March 2023
quotequote all
I posted this in the Honda thread - but perhaps it might get a response in the EV / Alternative Fuels section?

Whilst I'm a fully fledged car bore (Alfa Romeo 'special', as per my username), we do need a more practical car in our stable.
When my better half turned 40, back in 2009, she wanted something a little bit more grown up than her previous city hatchbacks. We bought a Honda Jazz. And we were both smitten. It's not an exciting car (it even came with a trilby on the back parcel shelf.....and driving gloves!) But it is so practical - especially the magic seats. There are only the two of us but for holidays etc it's great.

Turning 50, 4 years ago, she treated herself to something more in keeping with a mid-life-crisis.... a Mini Cooper. Which provides the thrills but without much in the way of practicality and we just couldn't bare to part with the Jazz - which has now done 110,000 pretty much faultless miles. (1 battery, 4 bulbs, two front brake discs / pads).
But..... it's just failed it's MOT. Needs a small weld on sills (only rust on car) and new rear brake discs. So, perhaps it's time to move on as it's not worth much £1700 and no doubt other bills are on the horizon. (Clutch etc)

Honda are now going down the hybrid route.
I'm not sure that 'our' lifestyle is quite ready for a full blown EV because of range verses purchase price issues so what about this model: 2023 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-MMD Hybrid eCVT SE?
I'd appreciate any anyone's experiences as to whether this is a good first (hybrid) EV -
Thanks

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Saturday 11th March 2023
quotequote all
Thanks for the opinions, folks. Will go and have a look at one perhaps do a test drive on Monday.
But it would be good to hear from an actual owner re reliability / real world economy etc

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Saturday 11th March 2023
quotequote all
AmitG & TheInternet

Thanks for the advice. I have to say our Jazz (2009) has been so reliable and I still get a WOW! every time I use the magic seats


AmitG quote "Note - the facelift version is about to be launched, and I believe that it comes with more power (129BHP over 109BHP) along with some other fixes. Worth a check before buying. Don't pay overs for a run-out version of the old model..."


Thanks v. much for this. I had a look on Car Wow and there 'are' discounts available, presumably the run-out model. I'll have to speak to the dealers re price for facelift version versus run-out version.



alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Sunday 12th March 2023
quotequote all
Thanks for the replies, folks.


Note, from the link the cheapest version the SE model becomes the Elegance
It seems the new, face-lifted model is £25,795 (base model/price).
The old run-out model is £21,295 (& Car Wow shows a £1000 discount), so the face-lifted model is 20% more.
Source: https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz?f=search...



Benefit is 20% more power but, according to Club Jazz, (yes, there is a 'CLUB' for Honda Jazz owners....) this does not 'appear' to change performance / economy. At least not according to the figures in the above link. So it must be all about improved drive-ability.
And shiny bits

This might be of interest:


Edited by alfaspecial on Sunday 12th March 08:00

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Monday 13th March 2023
quotequote all
Undercover McNoName said:
Disclaimer: I don't have any experience with a Honda Jazz, at all, but I do own an Alfa Romeo and have access to Yaris hybrids and Renault Zoe's at my job.

If I was faced with the choice of CVT hybrid or an EV, I would always go with an EV.
Thanks. Please could I ask why you would choose a BEV rather than a hybrid?

Our nominal budget is say £20k (Jazz - the basic car suits our needs can be had for this nominal £20k)
I looked on this website https://wattev2buy.com/uk-ev-market-price-list-ele...

And sorted BEVs by price. Other than the Twizzy the cheapest EV is the SEATMii @ £18000. Too small, range under 100 miles.
Berlingo £20k very limited range. The MG5 has the range but £7000 (compared to the hybrid Jazz) buys a lot of petrol

It seems that BEVs are a LOT more to buy. I'm not sure that for our sort of usage an EV with a range of over (say) 300 miles is just perhaps a little rich.

In time, hopefully, BEV ranges will increase and prices fall. But until then I'm of the opinion that a hybrid is the way to go. Possibly!
But I am open to anyone's advice / experiences.

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Tuesday 14th March 2023
quotequote all
Thanks for the replies. We had a test drive of the Jazz yesterday. Very impressed. Seemed to be quite an improvement over our ancient one.
TBH, I wish I hadn't posted this thread - I've opened a real can of worms and perhaps we should have a try of a true BEV?

plfrench, yesterday @ 11.34
We don't have a fast charger facility at home. Obviously we might have to consider upgrading from a plug in standard charger. Our cars are used less than daily. My Alfa Romeo 'special' is purely high days and holidays. The Mini Cooper is my partner's work car - although she is mainly working from home (perhaps we should 'get rid'). The Jazz is our shopping and holiday car. We are (for example) staying in Cornwall in a few weeks time (self catering holiday cottage) - we take most of a weeks food pre-cooked and frozen. Many years ago we had a VW Lupo which, was a bit too small for our usage.


Undercover McNoName yesterday @16.43
Will have a look at the i3. On paper looks a bit small for our needs
We do 2-300 mile journeys (holiday/family visits about 8 times a year -and need to do 8 return trips as well!)


Wyson today 0.09
I'll have to look into reliability surveys. Obviously you are right - are existing (ICE) manufacturers able to make BEVs etc reliable?

Whataguy today 5.33
Will need to look further into servicing costs. The Jazz can come with a 5 year service plan

alfaspecial

Original Poster:

1,132 posts

141 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
quotequote all
Just an update. We did opt for a Jazz. Purchased the outgoing model though Carwow with a decent discount, will be picking it up next month.
Strangely, although we intended to be 'cash' purchasers - it was cheaper to buy it using a 12 month car loan - paying 'x' in interest but benefiting from an additional discount AND 5 years 'paid for' serving. Go figure?

So, we've gone down the hybrid, not full electric route - perhaps in a few years time a full EV will be best but, for us, at this moment in time - given our range issues and lack of charging infrastructure in the SW - we will be sticking with (hybrid) petrol.


Thanks one and all for your input.