£10k GT

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So im just getting out of a 2005 530d e60, liked it but got pretty fed up with solving regen / dpf issues.

So im leaning toward going back to a petrol after my first diesel experience and was hoping for some input as not looked at car market for such a long time

Things i liked about the bmw:

1) handling
2) 270hp was enough (chipped)
3) folding read seats
4) angel eyes (got a real thing for lights weirdly)
5) good stereo and comfort, stereo important.

Things not so keen on:

1) the afore mentioned dpf and general diesel dirtyness, cleaning egr, regens etc
2) always seemed to have some fault light on so more reliability in these areas would be cool


Certain things id like but realise difficult at 10k; bluetooth audio, adaptive cruise, cooling seats,mso really need anything 2008 >

Have given a fair thought to things & like:

1) CLS facelift 2009 (no folding seats available tho)
2) lexus gs450h love the hybrid econo bit tho not that important, Mark levinson gets big thumb up, no floding seats due to batts but adaptive cruise was std on early ones.
3) z4 later hardtop one, just about get a 3.0, just love the looks
4) jaguar xf facelift 2011, can only get diesel 3.0 for my cash tho great tech and looks though
5) audi all road 2009 facelift or any later a6

Im not brand loyal but prefer the premium brands, i see these as: infinity, lexus, volvo, vw, bmw merc, audi, jaguar etc

Im prety flexible on what is considered a GT as you can see with the Z4 (folding hardtop essential if this route) but comfort, reliability and toys are more important than handling, shove is rasobaly important, 230 hp that can be chipped is fine (no complaints with 530d)

Interested to hear about any stuff ive missed (even thought about a 928 tho reliability scared me off)

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ZX10R NIN said:

If you want a true GT then it has to be a CL500

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

BMW 650i Sport

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Facelift

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

630i

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

CLS is okay but not a patch on the CL:

CLS350

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

CLS 500 5.5 version

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

CLK280/350/500/55

280 Sport

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

350 Avantgarde Sport (very rare model)

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

500 Sport

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

55

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Audi S5

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Audi S6

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Good suggestions, or thought they were until i looked at the CL, no idea why it wasnt on my radar, how much car for the money!

Will look into the details, love the idea of cooled seats and double glazing, folding seats possible? the distronic plus sounds cool to, i'm guessing bluetooth tech is only on the w216 and not the 215

Quite excited at getting that lot for 10k tbh, last car i had with all that was an SL55 but that was a nightmare for reliability (early 2005)

Had merc sorted their early 2000s reliability issues by 09?

Thanks for the info, looking hard to get a W216 for the 10k mind...

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216 is a must then, shame they didnt do a 350 as dont really need all that power tbh, no folding seats like cls though, not a deal breaker but think theyre available on

So option to look for on a 500

Massage seats (dynamic contour?)
Heated and colled seats
Distronic +
Bluetooth audio?? Looks like maybe a module of some kind is needed

Will still look at cls i think because im not paying for an engine i dont need (been there) + seats fold, i like light duty diy shop trips occasionally as its a great road

Quite like the 650 as well, i have the carly app and hardware to play with BMW software so thats cool, were there massage cooled seats as an option to? No folding seats with the 6er either..

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Not so much fuel cost really (tho interesting hoe little the difference is now) more that I'm paying more initial money for a 5.5 litre engine whereas the 350 cls I can get a later car due to its lower initial cost, all be it allot of that is due to a lower calibre car as well, not even looked at them yet!

It's soooo long since car browsing that I didn't even know there was a coupe e class! So that's on list as well now...

Sooo many cars even in just one brand!

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p4cks said:

You've already said it - Z4 Coupe.

Looks alone and envolvement probably but the interior, comfort and toys on others is hard to overlook!

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Well i have cash so maybe at blackbushe, not done for a while, quite a fun thing to do, maybe later diesels arent quite so troublesome / cleaner?

Cls, cl, or e coupe is quite a broad net, folding seats swings it cls and e coupe direction, what narrows it further is the adaptive cruise and cooled seats, light interior and dont want black!

The other one ive been scanning at same time is the jaguar XF In in 4.0 s form but really love the 2011 facelifet in comparison, which 10k wont stretch to unless i drop to the 3.0 d, always want more! Adaptive and cooled seats standard on portfolio.

Will look at peoples views on the diesels relibility (i dont do short trips) maybe im being short sighted based on my first diesel experience...

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p1stonhead said:

My boss had a CL500 and I think it was in the garage more than in his posession! Perhaps he just had a lemon (although he bought it from new) but perhaps approach with caution!

maybe this was the aforementioned model w215? last made in 2006, did it have the double headlights appearance?

I wouldn't touch this era either as our SL55 was similar for reliability, quite a well documented bad time for mercedes all round i think.

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p1stonhead said:

I think it was a 2008 so the newer version.

i'll have a poke around on peoples experiences then...

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been there with powerful cars and i'm not that bothered anymore tbh so it'd be wasted on me, 250-300 hp is fine, that 55 would be the w215 also.

think i'm going to have to go diesel whichever model i go for, it seems theres quite a big leap been made in refinement of them since my 2004 e60, so fingers crossed.

so hunting down dervs in the following:

CLS
CL
E-Class Coupe
Jaguar XF-S

since looking at these i'm not drawn to Lexus anymore as they look so dated in comparison

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yeah, did know that, info overload learning on 4 different cars and there intricacies at the moment, I used to know everything about all models 10 years ago, everything has moved on so much but at least the info is easier to get to these days.

cheers for the help by the way

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the first t E on your list i have saved already as they fit the light exterior want, would steer away from dark exterior as i like it easy to keep clean, thats more important than a light interior tbh.

this one needs a bit of paint and a bit leggy but probably 9-9.5 pretty rare combo, not sure if its for good reason though


will look at the cls options, clk not even on radar but not sure why so will take a look, just feel its not quite so special, is it pretty much C-class minus 2 doors?

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 1st August 06:53

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ZX10R NIN said:

The CLK is slightly bigger than the C Class in both width/length it's always been a step up from the C, the CLK replaced the CE & the CLK was replaced by the E Coupe.

Mercedes defines it's E class coupe range from it's C Class ones by being pillarless & having the rear windows drop away.

thanks, thats a bit clearer, lets hope thats it for shuffling for a bit then..

managed to get this on budget, what do you think?

https://www.easternwestern.co.uk/car-deal-warehous...

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ZX10R NIN said:

Seems pretty good does it have Nav? As it's not listed.

i don't think so, i use my phone for nav though which I'm more than happy with, are there any other drawback about no nav other than re-sale? ( I'm out of date as to wether car systems are better than phone)

it has audio 20 and harman kardon, strangely the other listing on AT has more info http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

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ZX10R NIN said:

The newer E is still based on a bigger C Platform, I will say one thing about the CLK is that it rides better & feels like a better quality product. I have no axe to grind as I have both the CLK & E Coupe, interior wise the thing I changed on the CLK was the headunit on the E Coupe I changed a lot of the trims seat backs etc to Carbon to make the cabin feel more classy, it took two visits to my Indy to get all the squeaks & rattles sorted, from personal experience I'd say the CLK's are better built than the E Coupes. I like both but prefer the CLK as it feels that little bit more special & nimble but that's a personal opinion but I would say try both remember they have the same engine.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 28th July 19:37

Interesting, and maybe why they values are holding, for me they are miles apart on looks though, I couldn't drive a clk around (no offence) there's that much between them for me.

With what you've said I'm going to see if I can get a ride in an e coupe then, was going to buy blind due to distance, must be a move on from the e60 though?

Have you driven the facelift jag xf by any chance ? Be great to know how it compared (if at all)

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Thats very floridian quite like the look myself but i really wouldnt feel comfortable in it where i live, i'm even wandering if the standard e coupe is too much tbh, i quite Like being under the radar, maybe an xf would achieve this better, that looks nice though

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Welshbeef said:

Masaratti 3209GT

NEXT.

been there welsh (pretty extensive car history)


this cropped up, most will hate the wheels but i love em tbh, not a light interior which id'd like but its pretty well specced, good price, not to bothered about the miles (or should i be)

http://www.mk-motorschesham.co.uk/used-cars/merced...

looked at some CLKs at the weekend and just no way i could live with exterior or interior

love the matt paintwork of the later grand edition CLS, theres a white one on AT + i think the interior looks better than the CL if i'm honest, is it different in the flesh then? low rent?

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ZX10R NIN said:

Go for it they're the standard wheels for a 500 with the AMG suspension set up so may well be worth deeper investigation.

Not sure what you mean re AMG suspension set up? Cant find any info on suspension outside the ABC? Which from what i can see had its previous w215 problems sorted sorted.

Comparing (online only so far due to my location) e coupe, cls, cl the e class falls well short on interior drama, at my price the spec is so much lower then a 3 year older CL, CLS interior is lovely though, realy love the mat finish wood (wood plays a big part in my life), but the gadgets on the CLS at 10k are still very low in comparison to CL.

Whereas the XF S portfolio matches CL for interior looks and toys and only a tad down on power once chipped (unless 4.2 v8) a 2007 Lexus GS 450H matches the CL for toys & power, though looks arent a patch.

CL is at top i think based but not seen any in flesh yet or driven, lining up preferences to blits next week visiting dealers (have to fly in)

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 1st August 07:04

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That's very

The dealer has no idea if this is the case

Got a copy of services, 13k, 39k, 60k, 85k and its on 108k so needs a service

Seems some bigger than normal gaps in there to me, though I remember our Audi of that era had 20k mile intervals.

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Going to,have a look next monday, sat in an xf today, not that impressive really

Eta: this was an early non facelift xf i sat in, the later car was far better

Edited by Pvapour on Wednesday 16th August 07:06

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Going to,have a look next monday, sat in an xf today, not that impressive really

Eta: this was an early non facelift xf i sat in, the later car was far better

Edited by Pvapour on Wednesday 16th August 07:13