Diesels - are they a risky buy?
Discussion
Some of you may have read that a few weeks back i was considering moving from my 2 litre ultra A4 s line to a S5 or 435d or 440i bmw.
BMW are practically giving the 435d away and the performance is similar to the S5 but a lightly better economy. I realise part of this deal is a desire to shift 4 series before they announce the new one summer next year, but my concern is whether Diesels are the way to go at the minute.
They seem to be the dirty word right now and if i were to get into a 4 year deal (though i never keep a car that long), it could really bite me on the arse.
FInally - what would you guys recommend car wise. Was put off the S5 for fear of it being robbed, partly from some comments in the S5 thread on here.
BMW are practically giving the 435d away and the performance is similar to the S5 but a lightly better economy. I realise part of this deal is a desire to shift 4 series before they announce the new one summer next year, but my concern is whether Diesels are the way to go at the minute.
They seem to be the dirty word right now and if i were to get into a 4 year deal (though i never keep a car that long), it could really bite me on the arse.
FInally - what would you guys recommend car wise. Was put off the S5 for fear of it being robbed, partly from some comments in the S5 thread on here.
Shiv_P said:
The S5 has a nice sounding V6 petrol. If the 435d offers only slightly better economy then I would get the S5. It also has a far nicer interior
Oh i agree, but given the deals on the table you are talking at the bmw being £100 a month cheaper. the 440i would be cheaper too. I agree on the interior and as an android user I would find moving away from Audi to BMW that bit more annoying, however it seems a lot of car for the prices they are looking at. For example a 435d with a far bit of added extras was quoted to me as £2k up front and £440 pcm on a 10k deal. The S5 would be £100 more and a few extra quid on the deposit (again with some added extras).My thinking was the 435d gives that performance but probably is a bit less likely to get pinched, and with the money saving....
The bigger question is whether diesels are a risk, given the political climate at the minute.
Wooda80 said:
When you talk about risky, do you mean in terns of residual value?
The figures you quoted imply that the car is on a PCP and one of the advantages of that is that in the event of the a*se falling out of the used car market you are protected by the Guaranteed Future Value ( if you keep it that long ) or the ability to do a Voluntary Termination once the conditions have been met ( if you don't keep it that long ) .
So don't try and overthink it or second guess the future market, just get the car that you really fancy, whichever that is.
Thats a fair point, I suppose my bigger concern would be if they start throwing the price of diesel up disproportionately to that of petrol.The figures you quoted imply that the car is on a PCP and one of the advantages of that is that in the event of the a*se falling out of the used car market you are protected by the Guaranteed Future Value ( if you keep it that long ) or the ability to do a Voluntary Termination once the conditions have been met ( if you don't keep it that long ) .
So don't try and overthink it or second guess the future market, just get the car that you really fancy, whichever that is.
ZX10R NIN said:
I have no worries about my two diesels & when the time comes to replace them I'll buy diesel again because myself & the OH do enough miles that even with the 8p difference in fuel they workout the better car when it comes to petrol vs diesel.
Also remember the price difference is set by the petrol companies not the government (diesel is cheaper to make than petrol so the only reason for the price difference is profiteering) the government has already stated it will base it's policy on emission levels not on the type of fuel.
If you can afford it then the S5/440i are better cars if you can find a D3 then they're better than everything listed but it's all relative, like everyone on here you should buy the cars that suits your needs, not the car other people consider good/bad.
You make some fair points, and of course and decision I make will be based on my needs but more data from others helps inform a decision. Also remember the price difference is set by the petrol companies not the government (diesel is cheaper to make than petrol so the only reason for the price difference is profiteering) the government has already stated it will base it's policy on emission levels not on the type of fuel.
If you can afford it then the S5/440i are better cars if you can find a D3 then they're better than everything listed but it's all relative, like everyone on here you should buy the cars that suits your needs, not the car other people consider good/bad.
Interestingly was in Audi today as had my service and chatted to the women about the sq5 Infront of us. It had been a diesel and an incredible one at that, but is not a petrol as Audi intend to phase out diesel.
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