Leggy Tiguan vs. Newer Qashai
Discussion
I'm doing a lot of reading up on the former - a 2012> vintage VW Tiguan (with the square headlights). My wife has seen one and really, really likes them.
We have been looking to replace the ageing family car for a while now but have put it off for one reason or another. At one stage it was 100% going to be some form of Nissan Qashqai.
Now, however, spoilt by my company / hire cars (typically VW) she wants something more premium, and I'll be honest I'd like to treat her to something nicer if we can make the numbers work.
Our budget will be around £8k - less if we can help it. This gets you a top-spec Nissan Qashqai from about 2013 with around 50-70k miles.
Alternatively this buys you a much leggier VW Tiguan 2.0 TDi (Facelift) with typically 100k+
She's saying this wouldn't bother her much, she just wants a more premium SUV.
At this price point there isn't much in it in terms of 2WD vs. 4Motion, but I'm lead to believe the latter is more complicated and needs servicing - the difference in VED - for now - is only about £20/pa. Are there any other reasons to go for one over the other?
She does around 8,000 miles per year, her commute whilst only 8 miles away does involve going on the motorway so I'm less worried that it won't heat up properly, that said, I think any 2.0 TDi is going to have potential DPF problems?
I've been warned away from the - frankly rare - 1.4TSi version, which is also quite pricey on tax.
Thanks for any advice...
We have been looking to replace the ageing family car for a while now but have put it off for one reason or another. At one stage it was 100% going to be some form of Nissan Qashqai.
Now, however, spoilt by my company / hire cars (typically VW) she wants something more premium, and I'll be honest I'd like to treat her to something nicer if we can make the numbers work.
Our budget will be around £8k - less if we can help it. This gets you a top-spec Nissan Qashqai from about 2013 with around 50-70k miles.
Alternatively this buys you a much leggier VW Tiguan 2.0 TDi (Facelift) with typically 100k+
She's saying this wouldn't bother her much, she just wants a more premium SUV.
At this price point there isn't much in it in terms of 2WD vs. 4Motion, but I'm lead to believe the latter is more complicated and needs servicing - the difference in VED - for now - is only about £20/pa. Are there any other reasons to go for one over the other?
She does around 8,000 miles per year, her commute whilst only 8 miles away does involve going on the motorway so I'm less worried that it won't heat up properly, that said, I think any 2.0 TDi is going to have potential DPF problems?
I've been warned away from the - frankly rare - 1.4TSi version, which is also quite pricey on tax.
Thanks for any advice...
Thanks for the replies folks.
The original list did include both CX-5 and Kuga, as well as the Honda CRV. I liked the CX-5, I've had the 2.2d in a Mazda6 company car and it was decent, if a little noisy. Unfortunately they seem to hold their value really well and my wife was more keen on a Tiguan at our price point. What makes you say the CX-5 is better? Certainly the £30 tax bill is nice!
Kuga was discounted by my wife because of the interior. Both pre- and post facelift models have an awkward cockpit. The earlier ones look really low-rent and the facelift ones are just a bit strange and she didn't like the ergonomics.
I think I'm still firmly in the Tiguan camp for now - unless a cheaper CX-5 becomes an option with similar / less miles.
One thing I've explained is that we simply can't afford a car with "All the latest gadgets" like my company car; by this she means the Apple Carplay / Android Auto. I'm therefore looking at cars which have less integration with the factory head unit, as an aftermarket one could be added for 300 quid. Some of the Tiguans have parking sensors and such controlled through the infotainment screen; I wouldn't want to lose that functionality.
Or I could see whether it's better to lease like everyone else seems to these days!
The original list did include both CX-5 and Kuga, as well as the Honda CRV. I liked the CX-5, I've had the 2.2d in a Mazda6 company car and it was decent, if a little noisy. Unfortunately they seem to hold their value really well and my wife was more keen on a Tiguan at our price point. What makes you say the CX-5 is better? Certainly the £30 tax bill is nice!
Kuga was discounted by my wife because of the interior. Both pre- and post facelift models have an awkward cockpit. The earlier ones look really low-rent and the facelift ones are just a bit strange and she didn't like the ergonomics.
I think I'm still firmly in the Tiguan camp for now - unless a cheaper CX-5 becomes an option with similar / less miles.
One thing I've explained is that we simply can't afford a car with "All the latest gadgets" like my company car; by this she means the Apple Carplay / Android Auto. I'm therefore looking at cars which have less integration with the factory head unit, as an aftermarket one could be added for 300 quid. Some of the Tiguans have parking sensors and such controlled through the infotainment screen; I wouldn't want to lose that functionality.
Or I could see whether it's better to lease like everyone else seems to these days!
Looking at them more and more now, you have to consider her current car has been our family hack for the last 5 years, it's a Nissan Note Tekna, so that's supposed to be "top spec" but it's still rather basic. I worry a Qashqai will just be like a bigger version!
Will look into that Kenwood unit.
Will look into that Kenwood unit.
Looking at another Tiguan this afternoon - 2WD BlueMotion Match Tech - seems to have most of the things we like. 63 plate, 71k miles, FVWSH - £9k.
I've noticed the Pano-roof / sunroof is seemingly rare - would have liked this (standard on most QashQai's of a decent spec) are they problematic? Worth waiting for one with the right spec?
I'd also ruled out DSG-equipped cars as the mileages I'm looking at tend to be 70-100k miles and I figured the manual would be more simple - for the same reason as preferring a 2WD model. Am I correct in this assumption? Or does the usual high build quality extend to the DSG 'box?
The same dealer has a 62 plate CX-5 also. Sport Nav, 76k miles - £10,500.
I know above folks have said the Mazda is the better car, but £1,500 better for a slightly older, higher-miles model? The interior of the VW isn't "Exciting" but the Mazda hardly looks like something you'd pay more for.
Can someone enlighten me? Is the Mazda considerably more reliable? It's out of budget, but I don't get to decide - if the wife likes it, we just have to save for longer / borrow more!!
I've noticed the Pano-roof / sunroof is seemingly rare - would have liked this (standard on most QashQai's of a decent spec) are they problematic? Worth waiting for one with the right spec?
I'd also ruled out DSG-equipped cars as the mileages I'm looking at tend to be 70-100k miles and I figured the manual would be more simple - for the same reason as preferring a 2WD model. Am I correct in this assumption? Or does the usual high build quality extend to the DSG 'box?
The same dealer has a 62 plate CX-5 also. Sport Nav, 76k miles - £10,500.
I know above folks have said the Mazda is the better car, but £1,500 better for a slightly older, higher-miles model? The interior of the VW isn't "Exciting" but the Mazda hardly looks like something you'd pay more for.
Can someone enlighten me? Is the Mazda considerably more reliable? It's out of budget, but I don't get to decide - if the wife likes it, we just have to save for longer / borrow more!!
It’s been a while, still no closer to a new car...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
It dawned on me both reading back through this thread and being prompted by seeing a new Tiguan in the car park that actually a lease could be a viable option. I’ve been in and out of so many hire cars with company car issues lately that the idea of “renting” our family car doesn’t seem too bad of an idea.
A new Tiguan will not have the 100k miles of wear and tear, the worry that something will go wrong before it’s next service, dpf, clutch & flywheel, cambelt and so on. And the latest ones are 1.5 Petrol turbo too, so should at least get what we get from the Nissan Note (40mpg) and without the worry of diesel not heating up enough. Match spec has just been announced and the standard kit level is fantastic really - I have pointed out that the same spec Passat is around £2,000 cheaper to lease and has a panoramic roof - but this has fallen on deaf ears. She must have an SUV!
But on the other hand I was also looking at £6,500-7,000 Tiguans from 2011 on. These have generally 110-130k but also have had the bits done that I would worry about, namely cam belts and clutches. Yes, it’s a lot of miles but after just a year it would be all ours to own (based on the current rate we are clearing some old credit card debt).
Purchasing outright could be done with an interest-free credit card money transfer and repaid well within the interest free period.
I’m so conflicted and just don’t know what to do! I’ve no first hand experience of leasing and at the same time part of me thinks addding another 20k to a 130k mile premium car is still going to be worth “something” based on the current market (looking at pre-facelift Tiguans they still list for £5k, so potential depreciation is going to be minimal - UNLESS there is a huge diesel backlash, which of course we can’t predict).
Then we’re back to whether the 9-mile each-way journey will heat the dpf filter enough so as not to cause problems. I have a very friendly MOT tester...
Thanks for the replies.
Both decided that the lease thing isn't for us. Too much anxiety with potentially damaging it, going over mileage limit, not knowing what kind of employment my wife will be in in 12 months etc.
So back to looking at cars. I tried suggesting the Mini Countryman (could get a Cooper 1.6 petrol, much lower miles in our budget) but they're much smaller inside and my wife thinks the interior looks 'mental' - not in a good way
Suggested the Skoda Yeti, I think they're ace, very similar to a Tiguan (maybe lower body height) but it was also an instant rejection on the grounds that it looks as though it's for old people! Oh well.
She's set on a Tiguan now so that's that. The search commences at the end of March for a suitable car. Criteria will be Match / SE spec and a preference for black paint, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. A 170bhp one would be nice, since my new company car is what I refer to as the 'Hippy mobile' (Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid) so something a little sportier would be fun, but I know it's not going to be the most sporting of drives.
Is there anything fundamentally different from the CR140 to the 170hp variant? Different mechanically or just mapped differently?
Thanks again!
Both decided that the lease thing isn't for us. Too much anxiety with potentially damaging it, going over mileage limit, not knowing what kind of employment my wife will be in in 12 months etc.
So back to looking at cars. I tried suggesting the Mini Countryman (could get a Cooper 1.6 petrol, much lower miles in our budget) but they're much smaller inside and my wife thinks the interior looks 'mental' - not in a good way
Suggested the Skoda Yeti, I think they're ace, very similar to a Tiguan (maybe lower body height) but it was also an instant rejection on the grounds that it looks as though it's for old people! Oh well.
She's set on a Tiguan now so that's that. The search commences at the end of March for a suitable car. Criteria will be Match / SE spec and a preference for black paint, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. A 170bhp one would be nice, since my new company car is what I refer to as the 'Hippy mobile' (Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid) so something a little sportier would be fun, but I know it's not going to be the most sporting of drives.
Is there anything fundamentally different from the CR140 to the 170hp variant? Different mechanically or just mapped differently?
Thanks again!
Johnnytheboy said:
I don't know much about thee types of crossover thing as I've no desire to own one.
However, my manager had a ~2010 Tiguan then a 2013 Qashqai as company cars.
She loved the Tiguan and hated the Qashqai.
She's quite a tasty driver so you can read what you like into that.
Yea my wife is of the same opinion regarding the Qashqai, make sense on paper but just not all that nice, plus she’s suffered her Nissan Note for 4 years and it’s really like sitting in a bigger version of that, just feels cheaper by comparison.However, my manager had a ~2010 Tiguan then a 2013 Qashqai as company cars.
She loved the Tiguan and hated the Qashqai.
She's quite a tasty driver so you can read what you like into that.
One month to go then I’ll be cash in hand and looking!
Bought a Tiguan today - 61 plate SE Tech, 2wd 140bhp.
Paid £7,650 for it, 86,000 miles. Not due a service for another 6,000 and had the cambelt done by VW in 2017 at 74,000. Happy with the figures given the condition.
Mrs loves it, I’m also quite taken with it too. Does everything we need it to.
Thanks for all the contributions to this thread!
Paid £7,650 for it, 86,000 miles. Not due a service for another 6,000 and had the cambelt done by VW in 2017 at 74,000. Happy with the figures given the condition.
Mrs loves it, I’m also quite taken with it too. Does everything we need it to.
Thanks for all the contributions to this thread!
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