Anyone bought from the ebay no reserve seller?
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You probably know the one, they auction their cars with no reserve, they're based in Reading.
They often have stuff in that interests me, it'll usually be something decidedly ropey and with a v10 engine.
I'm fairly sure they bid up their own stuff based on the number of times cars tend to cycle through and some of the comments on their negative feedback. Cars always reach roughly the same.
Guessing most of their stock is stuff no one bid on at BCA auctions.
They often have stuff in that interests me, it'll usually be something decidedly ropey and with a v10 engine.
I'm fairly sure they bid up their own stuff based on the number of times cars tend to cycle through and some of the comments on their negative feedback. Cars always reach roughly the same.
Guessing most of their stock is stuff no one bid on at BCA auctions.
The concept is fine it seems.
But there is more than circumstantial evidence that they shill bid. I watched all their cars tha ended last night. Most had bidders with zero feedback either win or atleast be one of the higher bidders. I'm watching all the ones where the zero feedback bidders won as I'm sure they'll reappear.
The other issue is that if you do genuinely win an auction and they deem it too cheap it seems you'll be told it's developed a fault and no longer for sale until it's been rectified, low and behold it's relisted the next day.
They also charger around £200 for an MOT despite advertising 12 months on some cars.
It's a shame as I'd be more than happy to treat it as a genuine auction with buyer beware etc, but there's a line.
Have ebay removed the facility where you could see an ebayers bid history and therefore how many of their bids are with one seller? I can't seem to find it anymore.
But there is more than circumstantial evidence that they shill bid. I watched all their cars tha ended last night. Most had bidders with zero feedback either win or atleast be one of the higher bidders. I'm watching all the ones where the zero feedback bidders won as I'm sure they'll reappear.
The other issue is that if you do genuinely win an auction and they deem it too cheap it seems you'll be told it's developed a fault and no longer for sale until it's been rectified, low and behold it's relisted the next day.
They also charger around £200 for an MOT despite advertising 12 months on some cars.
It's a shame as I'd be more than happy to treat it as a genuine auction with buyer beware etc, but there's a line.
Have ebay removed the facility where you could see an ebayers bid history and therefore how many of their bids are with one seller? I can't seem to find it anymore.
PistonBroker said:
I regularly watch their cars and did end up bidding on one a little while back. It felt like they were shill bidding to me.
Two clients have bought from there and said they were fine.
One has bought previously, not sure what, but he went to buy a 5-series from them a while back and decided not to go ahead. All painless and no bother apparently.
The other client bought a Macan that went through recently. I was trying to convince my wife it was ideal for us so recognised the reg when he gave it to me! He bought it and it hasn't caused him any issues. He said it's been very well looked after so feels like he got a bargain. I'd say it was at least £2k under what it should have been.
He did say it's an odd operation in that they just chucked him the keys and told him to test-drive it as long as he liked before he came back to settle up.
Think I know which Macan you mean. That one looked tidy but sold for enough money that the risk fund had gone. Two clients have bought from there and said they were fine.
One has bought previously, not sure what, but he went to buy a 5-series from them a while back and decided not to go ahead. All painless and no bother apparently.
The other client bought a Macan that went through recently. I was trying to convince my wife it was ideal for us so recognised the reg when he gave it to me! He bought it and it hasn't caused him any issues. He said it's been very well looked after so feels like he got a bargain. I'd say it was at least £2k under what it should have been.
He did say it's an odd operation in that they just chucked him the keys and told him to test-drive it as long as he liked before he came back to settle up.
It was listed atleast 3 times from memory too.
Check out who won this one.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293680980659
Then look to see who won the relisted item. Same bidder.
Wonder why he wanted to pay more for the same car
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293680980659
Then look to see who won the relisted item. Same bidder.
Wonder why he wanted to pay more for the same car
This is the subsequent listing.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293689297722
If you want to report it click on report item, listing practices, fraudulent listing activities, seller is using other accounts to inflate price.
Ebay will do f
k all but makes me feel slightly better.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293689297722
If you want to report it click on report item, listing practices, fraudulent listing activities, seller is using other accounts to inflate price.
Ebay will do f
k all but makes me feel slightly better. Pistonheader101 said:
These tend to be leggy cars thsts are generally lemons. Don’t go expecting a showroom car.
On average each car needs £500-£1000 to get into a retailable condition
That's absolutely fine, no issues with that whatsoever.On average each car needs £500-£1000 to get into a retailable condition
Paying £3k more because you're being bid off the wall is not ok.
93DW said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Paying £3k more because you're being bid off the wall is not ok.
Unfortunately that is the nature of an auction, Anyone whos been to a car auction knows that the fire extinguisher is very high bidder on problem cars 
Fair enough.
The older I get (and slightly wiser) the more I realise you're competing against liars/frauds/cheats/scammers etc in pretty much any financially driven scenario.
Reading is a bit too far for me just to have a look, I'd have to be pretty sure it was what I wanted.
If you're local then it's not too bad as stuff does sell cheap ish even with their BCA + markup.
They don't even try to hide the shill bidding, from what I can tell they only use about 3 different accounts to do it.
If you're local then it's not too bad as stuff does sell cheap ish even with their BCA + markup.
They don't even try to hide the shill bidding, from what I can tell they only use about 3 different accounts to do it.
ZX10R NIN said:
Why do you care ? Genuine question, if I bid on something & the price goes past the price I want to pay I stop, also if someone is bidding against me I don't care if the bid is real or not as I've already decided what I want to pay.
Because it's dishonest. It's a minor thing but it's underhand and I really hate
s that try to take advantage of other people. He deserves a little bit of pushback.
Pistonheader101 said:
Mark-r0xn8 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
You probably know the one, they auction their cars with no reserve, they're based in Reading.
They often have stuff in that interests me, it'll usually be something decidedly ropey and with a v10 engine.
I'm fairly sure they bid up their own stuff based on the number of times cars tend to cycle through and some of the comments on their negative feedback. Cars always reach roughly the same.
Guessing most of their stock is stuff no one bid on at BCA auctions.
Warning ... thread resurrection....They often have stuff in that interests me, it'll usually be something decidedly ropey and with a v10 engine.
I'm fairly sure they bid up their own stuff based on the number of times cars tend to cycle through and some of the comments on their negative feedback. Cars always reach roughly the same.
Guessing most of their stock is stuff no one bid on at BCA auctions.
I have to admit to having bought one of their cars back in October. No horror story. Has been a nice car that is worth more on WBAC now than what I paid for it.
My opinion CWNR did shill the life out of their stock, up to whatever they paid for it, plus a margin for them.
But I now come to look again for a potential purchase and they are no longer on the Bay. What happened ? Anyone know the story ?
I'd noticed they'd had a lot less stock recently, 50 or so cars instead of 200ish.
babelfish said:
they're still there e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-LAND-ROVER-RANGE-R...
So it is. Everything relisted in the last hour.
I've always admired the C6 from afar, shame they never built it in estate form for a truly modern interpretation of the DS.
Although I would class shill bidding as trying to pull the wool over your eyes, which is my only issue with them.
Well that and it would be nice for a little more detail like you example it would be more than a little disappointing to find that much wrong with it after a 2hr+ drive. A quick, window broken, EML on, gearbox fault in the description wouldn't take more than a minute yet we know why they don't put it in.
Although I would class shill bidding as trying to pull the wool over your eyes, which is my only issue with them.
Well that and it would be nice for a little more detail like you example it would be more than a little disappointing to find that much wrong with it after a 2hr+ drive. A quick, window broken, EML on, gearbox fault in the description wouldn't take more than a minute yet we know why they don't put it in.
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