Engine finally ready for Dyno test
Discussion
Well finally the time has come to test all the new systems and sensors that have been fitted to the engine, it was fitted to the bench today and everything tested and adjusted ready to start the first mapping tomorrow, it's going to take a few days to finish the complete setup and all the maps, and I can't wait to see the results?
I will post the results .
I will post the results .
Thanks guys, We have just finished setting up and have done nearly all the part throttle hot and cold and the wast gate springs have been balanced as they were way out , we are nearly ready to do the full power runs and complete all the varios maps i will have a total of 10, but have to wait til Monday still finishing the fuel flow as we have also changed the way the fuel will flow with a new type fuel rail , now it will push fuel through rather than sucking it through, we have also finished the new boost control regulator, and all the new sensors are now working and set. So all going to plan so far and no hiccups which has calmed my nerves finally as it was the first time he had prepared this type of engine so was cr
ing myself but so far so good. Will post the first pics up later, and will post all the charts on Mon night.
ing myself but so far so good. Will post the first pics up later, and will post all the charts on Mon night.andygtt said:
sounds like you have changed your fuel rail to be the same as mine i.e. in one end out the other with injectors in middle... interested in the new boost control regulator as the stock noble one isn't really suitable for the motec and I have to reverse the tables so 100% is wastegate spring and 0% is 2.5bar lol.
are you turning the gearbox pumps etc on via the ecu as well?
good luck with the full power runs, looking forward to seeing the results
Hi Andy, same as regarding fuel rail gives total control and stops pipes collapsing .are you turning the gearbox pumps etc on via the ecu as well?
good luck with the full power runs, looking forward to seeing the results
The Ecu will control gearbox pump and fuel pump.
Cheers
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... interested in the new boost control regulator as the stock noble one isn't really suitable for the motec and I have to reverse the tables so 100% is wastegate spring and 0% is 2.5bar lol.
Will let you know regarding the boost reg, we have changed the bov to one the is also controled by the ecu so it will control the way the pressure is discarded its kind of a twin bov, so nothing goes to waste. It will now have total control of the boost and the way it's delivered.
All of this, is of course what I've been told and i hopefully will see it on Monday, they reckon it could reach 700bhp with everything in place, but I'm not looking for more power so will keep it where it is, so with the new box and clutch, and having changed every engine bolt to high quality locking nut I should finally have a super car for less than a 100k that will pretty much lap faster than any 458 or GTRS porkas or anything else I can think of with reliability...... Fingers crost.
... interested in the new boost control regulator as the stock noble one isn't really suitable for the motec and I have to reverse the tables so 100% is wastegate spring and 0% is 2.5bar lol.
Will let you know regarding the boost reg, we have changed the bov to one the is also controled by the ecu so it will control the way the pressure is discarded its kind of a twin bov, so nothing goes to waste. It will now have total control of the boost and the way it's delivered.
All of this, is of course what I've been told and i hopefully will see it on Monday, they reckon it could reach 700bhp with everything in place, but I'm not looking for more power so will keep it where it is, so with the new box and clutch, and having changed every engine bolt to high quality locking nut I should finally have a super car for less than a 100k that will pretty much lap faster than any 458 or GTRS porkas or anything else I can think of with reliability...... Fingers crost.
[quote=Juno]We've been talking to Terry about a 300hp Honda K20 build, he certainly knows his onions!
This little road leagal convertible would take some beating and ideal for those Sunny European Days
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4190977.htm
On Monday we were sharing the Garage with one of the Pro Drive Built Aston Martin Gt Cars, with restrictors it was burning 2 litres of top spec racing fuel a minute, God knows what it would burn at an unrestricted 700HP. Thinks the Noble could do with a Bigger tank if running 700Horses!
Good luck with the Dyno
Hello Barry,
Lookes at one them before I bought the Caterham Superlight R which Terry kindly built the engine for, also a K20 310bhp.
Yep he really does know his onions and for his age is very rare, he works with many a top racing team and his knowledge. Is second to none.
Roger the other gentleman who has been working on my car with Terry was there with Pro Drive on Sunday, he was telling me about that car,
I was supposed to go, but had work so couldn't make it.
With everything in place it should actually be better than it is now on fuel,
Thanks, I am keeping my fingers crossed all goes to plane.
This little road leagal convertible would take some beating and ideal for those Sunny European Days
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4190977.htm
On Monday we were sharing the Garage with one of the Pro Drive Built Aston Martin Gt Cars, with restrictors it was burning 2 litres of top spec racing fuel a minute, God knows what it would burn at an unrestricted 700HP. Thinks the Noble could do with a Bigger tank if running 700Horses!
Good luck with the Dyno
Hello Barry,
Lookes at one them before I bought the Caterham Superlight R which Terry kindly built the engine for, also a K20 310bhp.
Yep he really does know his onions and for his age is very rare, he works with many a top racing team and his knowledge. Is second to none.
Roger the other gentleman who has been working on my car with Terry was there with Pro Drive on Sunday, he was telling me about that car,
I was supposed to go, but had work so couldn't make it.
With everything in place it should actually be better than it is now on fuel,
Thanks, I am keeping my fingers crossed all goes to plane.
Regarding the gearbox can't say to much yet about it, secrets act and all that 
But I can say this it's not as much as you would think under 5k was the budget.
Oh I nearly forgot, there will be a group buy, a real group buy with no profit for myself, I will be part of it lol.
But I can say this it's not as much as you would think under 5k was the budget.
Oh I nearly forgot, there will be a group buy, a real group buy with no profit for myself, I will be part of it lol.
Edited by sundance002 on Friday 14th September 12:13
andygtt said:
supercars do more than 155mph 
.... and I hate cruising the Riviera with a crash helmet on
Craig
I think we are on the same page with regard what we want the car to do, I also want a real porsche GT3 alternative that I can thrash round the track and not worry about... not quite there yet... but am getting there
and come on, we both know we are both gunning for 700+bhp... least I've come out the woodwork and admitted it lol
Think we are Andy, these cars when built were good, but lacked the budget to make them great,.... and I hate cruising the Riviera with a crash helmet on Craig
I think we are on the same page with regard what we want the car to do, I also want a real porsche GT3 alternative that I can thrash round the track and not worry about... not quite there yet... but am getting there
and come on, we both know we are both gunning for 700+bhp... least I've come out the woodwork and admitted it lol
The only thing IMO that these cars lack is reliability, so when I'm done I'm gonna throw some slicks on and visit the main tracks, ie Silverstone, Snetterton , and a few others, and see what type of lap times she can produce without breaking down,
Think there might be a few surprises .
chuntington101 said:
sundance002, apart form the ECu, added sensors and new fuyel rail, what else has been upgraded?
Along with the ecu we have replaced the hole loom to the highest spec, and then Everything from top to toe,We have also added new fuel tank with swirl pot. The list is endless
Juno said:
If you can top this spec for £100k you should put it into production,probably 130k time you add the Extra 30k for new chassis on top!
If I was ever to try and produce a car it would have to be less than 100k and a porka killer, and it wouldn't be carbon, and it would have a retro interior full of Crome . But I have no I tensions, so just a dream.
http://gt3europe.com/cars.php?market=false&key...
It could be a winner with M600 at £235,000 ???
The Aston is carbon so far more expensive, IMO the Aston would be easier to sell than the M600 even at the higher price,If I was ever to try and produce a car it would have to be less than 100k and a porka killer, and it wouldn't be carbon, and it would have a retro interior full of Crome . But I have no I tensions, so just a dream.
http://gt3europe.com/cars.php?market=false&key...
It could be a winner with M600 at £235,000 ???
Again IMO the M600 is 70k overpriced and had it been 160k would sell in greater numbers.
Carbon bodywork is great but for the road does the weight gain warrant the cost? I don't think so.
I would buy the M600, the only reason I haven't is I cannot justify the cost as any type of value for the car, but do I want one,.? Of course I do.
Well we started the power runs today and so far so good, we made 640bhp with only 1.4 bar boost, we are now going to increase the boost to 1.6 bar we should give us 660 bhp , the engine has been faultless , we have still got a few more runs to do, but I have asked them not to push it any further. I'm really happy that we have managed to produce the same power but with less boost so will be far better and less chance of breaking the engine.
Just getting all the charts together, so will post them this evening.
Just getting all the charts together, so will post them this evening.
OMG. We just got 697bhp with 610ftlb torque totally crazy, the problem it caused though was runningz this power it kept blowing the spark out from the plugs so we have backed it off until I find a replacement plug that are better quality.
So we have now set some of the maps ie fuel save, high power, med power, low power, the low power map is set at 470bhp. 390ftlb this was the lowest we could get, the high power map is set at 656bhp 560ftlb, we capped the torque at this level so as not to break things, and also with this new ecu we have controlled the way the torque is delivered so it will be much kinder on the drive train as it comes in progressively, rather than all at the same time. We also found that we did not need so much boost as I had before to achieve these figures, it now runs 1.5 bar at the high power map, and 0.6 bar on the lowest.
Just waiting for Terry to send me all the graphs and charts, but they were all blown away by the results too.
Should have them later tonight.
Great job by all
Thanks
So we have now set some of the maps ie fuel save, high power, med power, low power, the low power map is set at 470bhp. 390ftlb this was the lowest we could get, the high power map is set at 656bhp 560ftlb, we capped the torque at this level so as not to break things, and also with this new ecu we have controlled the way the torque is delivered so it will be much kinder on the drive train as it comes in progressively, rather than all at the same time. We also found that we did not need so much boost as I had before to achieve these figures, it now runs 1.5 bar at the high power map, and 0.6 bar on the lowest.
Just waiting for Terry to send me all the graphs and charts, but they were all blown away by the results too.
Should have them later tonight.
Great job by all
Thanks
Hollowpockets said:
Amazing!
Is this on the new gearset or the normal CTS upgraded box?
It was on a bench dyno Graham, the car should be back together by the end of the week but I'll be fitted with the old gearbox and clutch as the new one isn't ready yet, then will be going to book a session with track and road to fine tune the other maps on the rolling road.Is this on the new gearset or the normal CTS upgraded box?
I'm hoping I will have a date soon for the gearbox so will be able to get our orders in, I just couldn't wait, so wanted to put her back together until the new one is ready.
Thanks gents I'm ecstatic about the results, never thought they would be this good, the guys worked really hard all week, and only finished late last night.
Just would like to thank the guys from AER and Life for there help, and Terry who without him non of this would of been poss. Life built me a complete bespoke software set up for the ecu so designed for the car, and is being made available to all, so good news for other owners, along with the hand built loom for car and engine, and they have all the brackets and fittings for the bench dyno, so again good for other owners who may be interested.
It's been a mad journey owning this car, and not only in it,but out aswell, I'm now hoping its ended and now, it's as strong, if not stronger, than any other super car out there, let's wait and see.
Skip from Bespokej, is very kindly on his way to collect my engine and get it back so he can put it all back together,
We have added lots more heat shield, incl bags for the turbos, all manifolds have been coated, we have added vents in the floor panel at the rear to drive air upwards, along with many other changes.
If you want? I could post everything that has been done from top to toe if anyone else fancys being as stupid as I for going this far
But hey with the new ratio gearbox I have a true 200+ mph supercar.
It's a steady state test, so they can hold at whatever rpm, to a very accurate level.
Just would like to thank the guys from AER and Life for there help, and Terry who without him non of this would of been poss. Life built me a complete bespoke software set up for the ecu so designed for the car, and is being made available to all, so good news for other owners, along with the hand built loom for car and engine, and they have all the brackets and fittings for the bench dyno, so again good for other owners who may be interested.
It's been a mad journey owning this car, and not only in it,but out aswell, I'm now hoping its ended and now, it's as strong, if not stronger, than any other super car out there, let's wait and see.
Skip from Bespokej, is very kindly on his way to collect my engine and get it back so he can put it all back together,
We have added lots more heat shield, incl bags for the turbos, all manifolds have been coated, we have added vents in the floor panel at the rear to drive air upwards, along with many other changes.
If you want? I could post everything that has been done from top to toe if anyone else fancys being as stupid as I for going this far
But hey with the new ratio gearbox I have a true 200+ mph supercar.
It's a steady state test, so they can hold at whatever rpm, to a very accurate level.
Hi all,
Just a quick list of the spec and parts used in the Development of Sundances M400 Engine.
To set any Ecu to this level takes time as we spent 7 days on the dyno calibrating in-depth everything from the knock control
to hot and cold starting. It can be a long process but is needed for road drivability.
Parts Used:
.F88 Life Racing Ecru with ability for Knock Control, full traction control, closed loop lambda, closed loop knock, and twelve position map selection.
.Race prepared wiring harness with military connectors throughout and facility to control fans, gear box oil pump, fuel pumps and dash and gauges.
.2x Wideband lambda sensors for accurate closed loop lambda corrections at all rpm sites.
.Boch Tap sensor which incorporates manifold pressure, air charge temperature and key on barometric pressure.
.Individual fuel and oil pressure sensors with fuelling corrections on low or high fuel pressure and engine trip at low or high oil pressure.
Results
I am very happy with the results as we achieved everything that we set out to do. our aim from sundance002 was to create a map to beat his power figures from the MBE ecu but more ethicist was put on creating a package that is reliable for both the engine and car. We achieved greater engine reliability by adding better boost control facilities alongside closed loop lambda which has never been run on this engine and also self learning knock control. To help with car reliability we have incorporated a twelve position calibration switch which coupled with our upgraded boost control strategy means that you can switch between boost levels allowing you to turn max power and torque up and down( even though on sundances engine the bottom power figure is 475hp with full duty to the wastegates). Also as an added conveniences is that in one of the positions he can run a fuel saving map, by running a lean burn mix and keeping the boost levels down, we added this feature for them moments we all have when the nearest petrol station seems to be further than the moon.
I will be posting all the charts and grafts, plus pictures and videos of the first fire up in the car and also of the first on road running.
Cheers Terry
And for those who's interested , this is a small list of some of the other things that have been done on my car, and now I've written it out, I think I may of gone a tad mad when I started
Pro alloy, oil breather, fuel tank, hard pipe kit, inter cooler , rad.
Gearbox oil cooler, and pump,
Oil cooler
Roush exhaust,
Zertec coated alonux manifolds
RSGT28 garret turbos
Uprated valve springs
Uprated. Valves and stems
Forged pistons
Uprated main bearings
Re profiled crankshaft
Gas flowed head, inc port and polish .
Uprated fuel pump
Uprated fuel rail
Uprated fuel injectors
Electronic boost control
Uprated waste gates
Uprated bov
Oil cooler and pump
Life ecu F88 bespoke software.
Hand made racing spec loom car and engine
Wheel speed sensor
AP grooved discs
Pagid pads
Adj wishbones fr and rear
Twin plate clutch
Uprated gear box
Tunnel mod
Heat shield bags turbos
All hoses and pipes upgraded to a high spec
All engine bolts changed to race spec lock nuts
Sundance
Just a quick list of the spec and parts used in the Development of Sundances M400 Engine.
To set any Ecu to this level takes time as we spent 7 days on the dyno calibrating in-depth everything from the knock control
to hot and cold starting. It can be a long process but is needed for road drivability.
Parts Used:
.F88 Life Racing Ecru with ability for Knock Control, full traction control, closed loop lambda, closed loop knock, and twelve position map selection.
.Race prepared wiring harness with military connectors throughout and facility to control fans, gear box oil pump, fuel pumps and dash and gauges.
.2x Wideband lambda sensors for accurate closed loop lambda corrections at all rpm sites.
.Boch Tap sensor which incorporates manifold pressure, air charge temperature and key on barometric pressure.
.Individual fuel and oil pressure sensors with fuelling corrections on low or high fuel pressure and engine trip at low or high oil pressure.
Results
I am very happy with the results as we achieved everything that we set out to do. our aim from sundance002 was to create a map to beat his power figures from the MBE ecu but more ethicist was put on creating a package that is reliable for both the engine and car. We achieved greater engine reliability by adding better boost control facilities alongside closed loop lambda which has never been run on this engine and also self learning knock control. To help with car reliability we have incorporated a twelve position calibration switch which coupled with our upgraded boost control strategy means that you can switch between boost levels allowing you to turn max power and torque up and down( even though on sundances engine the bottom power figure is 475hp with full duty to the wastegates). Also as an added conveniences is that in one of the positions he can run a fuel saving map, by running a lean burn mix and keeping the boost levels down, we added this feature for them moments we all have when the nearest petrol station seems to be further than the moon.
I will be posting all the charts and grafts, plus pictures and videos of the first fire up in the car and also of the first on road running.
Cheers Terry
And for those who's interested , this is a small list of some of the other things that have been done on my car, and now I've written it out, I think I may of gone a tad mad when I started
Pro alloy, oil breather, fuel tank, hard pipe kit, inter cooler , rad.
Gearbox oil cooler, and pump,
Oil cooler
Roush exhaust,
Zertec coated alonux manifolds
RSGT28 garret turbos
Uprated valve springs
Uprated. Valves and stems
Forged pistons
Uprated main bearings
Re profiled crankshaft
Gas flowed head, inc port and polish .
Uprated fuel pump
Uprated fuel rail
Uprated fuel injectors
Electronic boost control
Uprated waste gates
Uprated bov
Oil cooler and pump
Life ecu F88 bespoke software.
Hand made racing spec loom car and engine
Wheel speed sensor
AP grooved discs
Pagid pads
Adj wishbones fr and rear
Twin plate clutch
Uprated gear box
Tunnel mod
Heat shield bags turbos
All hoses and pipes upgraded to a high spec
All engine bolts changed to race spec lock nuts
Sundance
Edited by sundance002 on Thursday 20th September 12:48
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